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1021.1 | Election View | MACNAS::TJOYCE | | Tue Mar 24 1992 06:42 | 45 |
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It is a feature of the Northern Ireland elections that only
in ONE constituency is the Orange versus Green divide reflected
in the possible outcome. This is in South Down where the SDLPs
Eddie McGrady beat out Enoch Powell by only 731 votes last time
out. The SDLP will pull out all the stops here to retain the seat
against the Unionist candidate, with the Alliance, Sinn Fein and
the Conservatives looking on and hoping to improve their vote.
All the interesting contests are within rather than between
both parties. One is in West Belfast where Joe Hendron of the
SDLP will be hoping to overturn Gerry Adams 2,200 majority.
Given enough Protestant votes, he could do it, but Sinn Fein
is not to be underestimated with its back to the wall. Probably
the prospect of triumph in the British press if Adams loses will
earn him enough Nationalist votes to hold on.
In Fermanagh-South Tyrone, Ken McGinniss of the Unionist party
will definitely hold the seat once held by Bobby Sands and Owen
Carron of Sinn Fein. Sinn Fein failed to persuade a fusion
candidate (Peter Quinn President of the GAA) to run, ensuring
that the Nationalist majority will split between SDLP and
Sinn Fein. A similar situation in Mid-Ulster will give the
seat to Rev McCrea of the DUP.
On the Nationalist side, John Hume and Seamus Mallon will
definitely win in Foyle and Armagh.
On the Unionist side, the rivalry is three-way between Unionist
,DUP and Alliance. Alliance hope that its leader John Alderdice
who has gained a favourable high profile in the media, may give
them their first Westminister seat.
In the North there are basically 2 issues - peace and the
Union (or the Border, if you wish) - taxation, jobs and
the environment take back seat to these. In a way, it makes it
an easy election to call. Proportional Representation, as we have
it in the Republic, would earn 2 more seats for the Nationalists
(one for Sinn Fein in Fermanagh), and ensure that Joe Hendron
would win in West Belfast. It might in fact ensure the election
of more moderate candidates all round.
Toby
Toby
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1021.2 | | PEKING::WOODROWJ | The Purple People Eater | Tue Mar 24 1992 07:38 | 8 |
| Whoever wins West Belfast, Toby, I hope they take their seat at
Westminster. The people of West Belfast have been disenfranchised for
far too long, with nobody in the House to represent their interests
and call attention to their plight. In my opinion, for what it's
worth, it has left the security forces, in particular the Army, with
too free a hand to do what they like within the constituency.
Joe
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1021.3 | West Belfast | MACNAS::TJOYCE | | Tue Mar 31 1992 05:22 | 35 |
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A survey in West Belfast found the following issues affecting the
electorate:
(Out of Ten):
Tit-for-tat killings: 9.2
Accidents caused by "joyriders" (=teenage car thieves) 8.7
Security Forces Harrassment 8.65
City-Centre Bombings 8.56
Car Thefts by "joyriders" 8.3
Sinn Fein support is strongest in the 34-44 age group and the
unemployed. If non-voters vote, they will go 2-to-1 for the
SDLP. Understandably, the SDLP is concentrating on getting this
vote out. Oddly, it is Sinn Fein who are going for the soft-focus
media stuff: posters, glossy brochures etc. SDLP seems to be going
for the hard slog on the doorsteps. One would expect it to be the
other way round, but then Sinn Fein never seems to be short of
ready cash.
Like I said above, the only "debate" is within each community,
SDLP vs Sinn Fein, and DUP vs Unionist vs Alliance. Last week
the Unionist party refused to debate John Hume on radio because
"we are not competing with him for votes". It exemplifies the
divided community in the North.
Most commentators seem to be opting for no change in the seats:
Unionists: 10
DUP: 3
SDLP: 3
Sinn Fein: 1
Toby
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1021.4 | Update | MACNAS::TJOYCE | | Sat Apr 04 1992 09:50 | 15 |
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An opinion poll published this weekend shows a surprising amount
of support for the Conservative Party in Northern Ireland (10%),
and a sharp decline in support for Sinn Fein (to 7%).
Howver, opinion polls in Northern Ireland are notoriously
inaccurate.
The major speculation is whether a "hung parliament" with no one
getting an absolute majority will mean greater leverage for the
Unionists, who will have about 10 to 12 seats to bargain with.
Such a scenario would endanger the Anglo-Irish agreement.
We can only wait and see.
Toby
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1021.5 | Adams out | CHEFS::HOUSEB | | Fri Apr 10 1992 04:43 | 9 |
| Only news I've heard so far is that Gerry Adams, Sinn Fein leader, has
lost his seat in West Belfast.
Tories/John Major have been re-elected as the government in UK with a
majority of 17 seats.
Brian.
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1021.6 | | CLADA::DODONNELL | Denis | Fri Apr 10 1992 09:29 | 6 |
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Yes, Joe Hendron of the SDLP has taken the seat with a majority of
approx 500. Much to the consternation of unionists, Hendron recieved
a lot of votes froom the protestant Shankill area of the constituency.
Has anyone got any news on the result in South Down?
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1021.7 | Adams out after recount | MACNAS::JMAGUIRE | T�g go bog � | Fri Apr 10 1992 10:44 | 15 |
| I was listening to Radio Eireann last night and at about 12.30 they
went over to Belfast City Hall to pick up the latest on the count. At
that stage the boxes from the Shankill area were being opened and the
tally men reckoned that Joe Hendron was pulling 1 in every 3 votes.
There was a recount but the result was confirmed at about 7.20 this
morning. Apparently, Gerry Adams made a very bitter speech claiming
that Joe Hendron's vote was an "anti-nationalist" vote. Obviously,
there was that element in it, but the SDLP did canvass down the
Shankill and probably picked up a lot of moderate unionist votes as
well.
I haven't heard anything from South Down yet.
Jimmy
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1021.8 | Adams loses his seat .... | MACNAS::TJOYCE | | Sun Apr 12 1992 13:20 | 24 |
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I am in the U.S. right now, so I heard Fri. morning that Gerry Adams
lost his seat.
I am delighted for Joe Hendron, who is a hard-working constituency
man. My fear is that this will destroy Adams' authority within
Sinn Fein, and it will once again withdraw in on itself. Sinn Fein
before Gerry Adams was a lunatic fringe ......... to his credit
Adams has tried to bring it into mainstream politics. This
failure may hand it back to the loonies again.
The bombs in London are being interpreted here as a response by
the IRA to the victory of John Major and to Adams' defeat. This
is wrong ........ it must take weeks for the IRA to plan and
set up a bombing like this. It is ludicrous to think that there
would be no bombs if Labour won. The real messae is that
NO MATTER WHO WINS THE IRA WILL CONTINUE ITS CAMPAIGN.
One can only respond with the words of Abraham Lincoln
".... among free men there can be no successful appeal from
the ballot to the bullet, and those that do so must learn that
they are apt to lose their case......."
Toby
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1021.9 | What this means .... | MACNAS::TJOYCE | | Sun Apr 12 1992 13:27 | 22 |
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My heart may be sorry for Labour, but my head tells me that this
is the best possible outcome for Northern Ireland.
Firstly, the spectre of the Unionists holding the balance of
power has been dispelled.
Secondly, it will ensure continuity in discussions with the
Irish government and the inter-party talks.
The fact is that the Conservatives have been the British party
who delivered most on Northern Ireland: they prorogued Stormont,
negotiated the Sunningdale Agreement, and the Anglo-Irish
agreement. Labour caved in on the Loyalist Workers strike, did
a deal with the Unionists to stay in power during the late
'70s, and gave us Roy Mason, the most callous Northern Ireland
secretary of them all.
All in all, nothing to dance in the streets about, but a relieving
of tension nevertheless.
Toby
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1021.10 | Will he listen ...... ? | MACNAS::TJOYCE | | Sun Apr 12 1992 14:09 | 8 |
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Last time I heard Father Des Wilson speak, he said:
"When the people choose their leaders, all must listen ...."
Now that they have done that, will HE listen?
Toby
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1021.11 | Election Retrospective | MACNAS::TJOYCE | | Wed Apr 15 1992 11:05 | 35 |
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Sinn Fein supporters are going through some extraordinary convolutions
of logic to explain away Adams' defeat.
Apparantly, Adams base vote did not shrink in numerical terms. What
was decisive was the approximately 3,000 to 3,500 Protestant voters
who plumped for the SDLP. This is extraordinary in Northern Ireland,
but Adams and his followers are claiming victory because "the majority
of Nationalists voted for him".
The deduction is that Protestant votes somehow don't count, only
Catholic ones. Democracy, how are ya!
Overall, Sinn Fein's vote is down to 10% in NI, and across Ireland
it is now about 3%.
Other losers in the election have been Ian Paisley's DUP whose
share of the votes in NI (like Sinn Fein's) has been dropping
off in election after election. When the "Big Fella" himself
retires, his party will probably fall apart. Paisley is the
longest serving MP in Northern Ireland.
It has been a triumph for the SDLP and John Hume. They regained
Gerry Fitt's old seat in West Belfast, and held South Down
with a majority increased from 800 to 6000. They have clearly
seen off the challenge of Sinn Fein, and handed that party a
major propaganda disaster in its own heartland. In Mid-Ulster they
seem set, if they continue to win votes back from Sinn Fein, to gain
Rev. McCrea's seat which he holds for the DUP.
As always, in NI it is unwise to predict any future, but the
election has been a victory for moderation as called out in the
base note.
Toby
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1021.12 | Who benefits from Easter Lillies? | MACNAS::JDOOLEY | Sell me a Tory | Tue Apr 21 1992 10:05 | 12 |
| A technical political question for Toby.
A group of middle-aged men approached me for a contribution in a pub on
Saturday night. They had what were termed Easter Lillies, small emblems
which were to be fastened to the lapel of a jacket with a pin.
I found out later they were collecting for some republican party, what
I need to know is which one??
Nobody could give me a straight answer, I was told however, that it is
customary in that part of the county.
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1021.13 | Stickies and other prodigies | MACNAS::TJOYCE | | Wed May 06 1992 13:58 | 14 |
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During the split in the "Republican movement" in the early '70's,
the so-called "Officials" were nicknamed "Stickies" because they
wore Easter Lily badges stuck on by gum. Thus the "Provisionals"
used pins to stick on their Easter lilies. So you may have been
meeting the latter variety of "Republican".
Reminds you of Gulliver's Travels, where a war broke out over
opening a boiled egg at the pointed end or the round end.
I put "Republican" in inverted commas above because these people are
as far from true Republicanism as Pol Pot is from Mother Theresa.
Toby
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