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| 1013.1 | Worth a listen | SIOG::OSULLIVAN_D | B� c�ramach, a leanbh | Mon Mar 02 1992 12:34 | 4 |
| I attended a Fr. Wilson talk some years back and can say that he is a
terrific speaker.
-Dermot
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| 1013.2 | Des Wilson | MACNAS::TJOYCE | | Wed Mar 04 1992 05:28 | 15 |
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By all means, go to see and hear Des Wilson, but also read topic
1004 above. I would encourage anyone interested in Northern
Ireland to use other sources of information as well. Des Wilson's
is just one voice, there are many others.
[I am using "Des Wilson" because I am not sure if he still uses
the "Father". No disrespect is intended. He has been removed from
his parish in West Belfast, and as far as I know has no official
duties for the Catholic church. When I saw him last, he dressed in
black without the Roman collar.]
Toby
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| 1013.3 | They come here, and we go there ..... | HILL16::BURNS | Sound Ballyvaughan | Wed Mar 04 1992 07:47 | 16 |
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Agreed .....
Anyone interested in Northern Ireland SHOULD avail themselves to
other sources of information, however most of the people with
first hand knowledge of the situation in the North (and specifically
from West Belfast) are routinely denied visas and the freedom of speech
when they try to enlighten us "Americans" ....
And to the best of my knowledge "Father Des Wilson" is the correct
title, as I have no other information to indicate otherwise, but I'll
be certain to ask him about that when next we meet.
keVin
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| 1013.4 | | SIOG::OSULLIVAN_D | B� c�ramach, a leanbh | Wed Mar 04 1992 11:53 | 8 |
| re: .2
Have I missed something? What has topic 1004 got to do with Fr.
Wilson? It is I believe on the subject of abortion. That coupled with
the little snippet on whether he is a priest or not a priest smells of
a smear to me. Maybe I'm misreading it.
-Dermot
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| 1013.5 | By an other name .... | MACNAS::TJOYCE | | Thu Mar 05 1992 09:35 | 9 |
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re: -1
Meant 1007 "Peace Meeting". Father Wilson/ Des Wilson attended.
I'm sure he will have no issue explaining his maverick status
within the Catholic church.
Toby
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| 1013.6 | | DELNI::CULBERT | Free Michael Culbert | Thu Mar 05 1992 14:07 | 16 |
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Toby,
It's okay, you may use "Father" when addressing Father Wilson. He is
still recognized as a priest by the Church. He was relieved from the
duties of a large parish at his request. He still serves Mass and is able
to administer ALL sacraments.
The last time I spoke to him (Fr Wilson) he had his collar on. Maybe
he saw you coming and took it off for the affect. Hey Toby, I have seen
priests dressed in green shirts and blue pants before too. What's the
matter with you guys over there in Ireland anyhow. Don't you know there
is no requirement to wear black all the time. They even play
horseshoes on occasion... 8*)
paddy
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| 1013.7 | Fr. Des | SIOG::OSULLIVAN_D | B� c�ramach, a leanbh | Fri Mar 06 1992 06:15 | 6 |
| re: Toby
Yes I'm glad to read that it was a wrong reference and I'm also sure
he'll have no trouble explaining himself.
-Dermot
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| 1013.8 | Typical American condescension. | CLADA::JDOOLEY | Take no chances;Cry no tears | Fri Mar 06 1992 06:20 | 2 |
| I would like to assure Mr Culbert that there is nothing wrong with
"us guys" over in Ireland.
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| 1013.9 | | DELNI::CULBERT | Free Michael Culbert | Fri Mar 06 1992 09:06 | 16 |
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RE: .8
-< Typical American condescension. >-
> I would like to assure Mr. Culbert that there is nothing wrong with
> "us guys" over in Ireland.
One of the things wrong with notes is sometimes things that were
supposed to be said in a friendly joking manner get misinterpreted.
This is one of those times. I guess I should have made it a seperate
paragraph and ended it with more than the one 8*) I used...
paddy
paddy
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| 1013.10 | Why the defensiveness? | BRADAN::TJOYCE | | Fri Mar 06 1992 09:20 | 23 |
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Re: .6
If you read some of the other notes around you will gather that
I don't meet priests very often. A lot of them may be secret
naturists for all I care. The occasion of my sighting of Fr.
Wilson is recounted in 1007.
It IS important that if someone is presenting himself
as a priest (or businessman, or politician) and is going to
command respect due to the dignity of his office, he should state
up front where he is in regard to the organisation from which he
derives that dignity. In this case, the Catholic Church (who dignified
Fr. Wilson with the title of "Father") have seen fit to deprive him of
any pastoral duties whatsoever on its behalf. I don't know the reason
but if this gentleman is presenting himself as a Chruch representative,
there's a few questions he should answer.
Why are "you guys" so defensive about Des Wilson anyway? I don't
think he needs it. Why should he be turned into a sacred cow?
Toby
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| 1013.11 | | DELNI::CULBERT | Free Michael Culbert | Fri Mar 06 1992 11:37 | 23 |
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re: .10
Toby,
Get on the ball here lad. Don't be so thin skinned. As I said in
my last note it was meant as a friendly joke I tried to impart that
with the 8*)...........
I didn't read, in 1007, that Father Wilson was representing the
Church at the conference. He maintains the title "Father" the rest of
his life, much as I maintain the title "The Honorable".
But back to the issue. Why can't Father Wilson represent a cause
that has nothing to do with the Church (maybe that's why he didn't have
the collar on at the time)? I remember a priest here that was a Mass.
Congressman for a couple terms. He surely wasn't fulfilling and
pastoral duties in that capacity.....
So I guess the question is, can a priest represent political
matters and remain a priest in good standing with the Church?
paddy
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| 1013.12 | Turbulent Priests | MACNAS::TJOYCE | | Tue Mar 10 1992 11:58 | 15 |
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I've re-read my notes, and I can't find anywhere that I said that
Fr Des couldn't or shouldn't speak out on political issues. Priests
and Bishops do it all the time (don't we know, I hear you groan),
except that Fr Wilson's "speaking out" seems to be at odds with
just about everyone else's in the Church when it comes to peace
& justice issues.
Recently, John Hume publicly called on the clergy to get down from
their Ivory Towers and get talking to the paramilitaries like the IRA
and UDA to stop the campaigns of violence. I hope Father Wilson has
taken the message to heart.
Toby
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| 1013.13 | The church and politics. | MACNAS::JDOOLEY | Go on outa dat,we don't believe ya | Tue Mar 10 1992 12:12 | 8 |
| I think the restriction applies to party politics in particular rather
than politics in general.
It would be great to see people of all types ( poets,priests and
politicians etc. ) talking on a one to one basis with the terrorists
and their apologists. It would help people like me to try to understand
the mind of a bomb setter, which I can't do now.
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| 1013.14 | Only true Republicans play horseshoes; Des Wilson maybe a priest, but is no Christian | BODACH::WOFARRELL | | Sun Mar 15 1992 12:09 | 10 |
| I thought the Honourable Paddy Culbert ceased playing horseshoes
with priests and others once he stopped being a Republican!
I used to have a lot of admiration for Des Wilson as a
communicator, until one day on Irish TV he was asked to condemn
the people who shot dead a young female schoolteacher on her way
home from Mass one Sunday. Her only "crime" was that her father
was a judge. He refused to condemn the people responsible for the
murder/"mistake" and justified the shooting by saying "mistakes
happen in time of war"
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| 1013.15 | Des Wilson is a brave man. | EPIK::HOLOHAN | | Mon Mar 16 1992 15:51 | 7 |
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Spare me the stupid remarks about Father Des Wilson.
I went and listened to him speak in Manchester. I
would characterize him as a man to be admired and
respected. He was a very intelligent and interesting
speaker.
Mark Holohan
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| 1013.16 | | PEKING::WOODROWJ | The Purple People Eater | Tue Mar 17 1992 04:33 | 7 |
| You are entitled to your opinion, Mark, much as others are entitled
to disagree with you.
The fact that others may disagree with your opinion makes them no more
stupid than it makes you wise.
Joe
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