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Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1632
Total number of notes:20523

1002.0. ""Cuchulain" Ulster Cycle - Samuel Ferguson of Donegore" by DEMSTA::WHITTLEY () Wed Feb 12 1992 14:23

[A quiet note about Ulster and one of its greatest men - Samuel Ferguson.]


Does anyone know anything about ...

  .. the "Cuchulain" cycle mentioned below?

        What are the poems about?
        Are they available in book form?
        Was their teaching throughout Ireland or just in Ulster?


  .. the song "The lark in the clear air"?


  .. their author?


  .. Ogham stones?


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(Quote from "A History of St. John's Church Donegore" by Margaret Bell)


Sir Samuel Ferguson, "scholar, poet and patriot", died in 1886 and is buried
in Donegore Churchyard.


He was by profession a barrister. He retired from practice to become the first
Deputy Keeper of the Records of Ireland.

He had a deep interest in poetry, literature and the Irish language;
his works included translations of ancient Irish tales, particularly the
Ulster cycle of tales centring round Cuchulain, poems such as ...

	The Forging of the Anchor
	Lays of the Western Gael
	Congal

His poetry was used in schools, at the close of the century;
He wrote the words of the well known song "The lark in the clear air".

Ogham stones were his particular interest.

He was knighted in 1878 and in 1881 was elected President of the Royal
Irish Academy.

(End Quote)

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Looks like Lady Ferguson also wrote a book entitled ...

	"Sir Samuel Ferguson in the Ireland of his day."


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(Quote from a flyer for New Publications for 1991 from the UHF)


"Presbyterians and the Irish Language"
	Roger Blaney
	150pp price �8.95
	Proposed publication date: December 1991

The role of Ulster Protestants in the promotion of the Irish Language has been
much neglected.

This meticulous study examines the influence of early Scots settlers on
Ulster Irish, and looks at the work of individuals like Sir Samuel Ferguson
of Donegore, first Keeper of the Public Record Office of Ireland and active
promoter of the Irish language before the Gaelic League was even conceived.

There is also a section on publications in Irish produced in the early
19th century.

(End Quote)


NOTE:

UHF is the Ulster Historical Foundation, not another paramilitary group!]
Its remit covers all nine counties of the ancient Irish province of Ulster.
 
 They can be reached at (their new location now) ...

	12 College Square East
	BELFAST
	BT1 6DD

	Tel. (+44) 232-332288
	Fax. (+44) 232-239885


The above book has NOT yet been produced, since the author "was having
difficulties with his computer ..."!
[Opportunity for the Digital office in Belfast there?!]

Latest estimate is June 1992, but you can send money now ...!!!

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John

[My second ever note in this conference.]
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1002.1A little on Cuchullann - et alDBOSW2::BRENNAN_MI drink - To make other people interestingThu Feb 13 1992 08:0235
John,

I think wou will find that the best source for some of the writing of this is
to be found in an ancient ulster epic called the "TAIN BO CHUAILE" (Tale of
the bull of Cooley). In this our friend Cuchullain defended Ulster against
king Maedhb of Connacht.

There are many Books on this era. Waterstons in the UK is a good starting point

Cuchullain was attached to the Red Branch Knights - a famous group of Ulster 
warriors.

Samuel Ferguson was one of the greats of the Celtic Revival. He was in very 
good company among Anglo Irish Scholars - Yeats, Lady Gregory etc.


"Ogham" was an ancient Celtic(I Think) writing stile. It was usually carved on
Stone. They are to be found all over the Island of Ireland. I understand that
some may also be seen at Iona and other places in Scotland. I mean after all
the Scots are Irish who were expelled From Ireland for sheep stealing -).

I dont know the words of "The Lark" (At least not that one - I have another). 
It is a lovely song though.

That I hope answers some of your questions.

P.S.

KeVin

At your next party do you think you could get a photo of Denise, Kits or Jen
posing as a "Sheele ni gig". That should cause a stir.

MBr
1002.2The Lark in the Clear AirPEKING::REIDKThu Feb 13 1992 08:517
    I have a very scratchy recording of "The Lark in the Clear Air" at
    home, by John McCormack I think.  I will see if I can get the words
    from it.  I agree - it is a beautiful song.
    
    Kathy
    
    
1002.3Ogham was ancient British/Irish scriptDEMSTA::WHITTLEYFri Feb 14 1992 13:0145
Thanks for the information so far, much appreciated.
Looking forward to hearing more.

    
I had thought that "Ogham" might have referred to a geographic area of Ireland,
but had been unable to find it on any map.

However, last night I looked up the biggest encyclopedia I could find 
and came across this entry ...


	ogham, ogam

	O. Ir		ogum
	Mod. Ir.	ogham

	Supposed to have been invented by a lengendary Ogma


	  1. 	Ancient British and Irish form of writing, having 20 letters,
		which are formed of strokes in groups of 1 to 5, drawn in
		relation to a transverse line, and made above, below or
		passing right through it.

		These characters are also found cut on rectangular stones, the
		edge of which serves as the line.

	  2. 	(attrib) Written in, characteristic of, ogham.


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John
    
    P.S. I lived among the Scots for many years, and never heard of any
    sheep stealing going on.  Their culture did have some deficiencies,
    in my early days however - for example you just couldn't buy those
    staple foods of any Irishman's diet - Soda Farls and Buttermilk.
    Guess they lost the recipes on the way across the sea!
                                       
1002.4The Lark in the Clear AirPEKING::REIDKMon Feb 17 1992 08:5021
    Here are the words to "The Lark in the Clear Air".  They are very
    beautiful.  
    
    Dear thoughts are in my mind
    And my sould soars enchanted,
    As I hear the sweet lark sing
    In the clear air of the day.
    For a tender beaming smile
    To my hope has been granted,
    And tomorrow she shall hear
    All my fond heart would say.
    
    I shall tell her all my love,
    All my soul's adoration;
    And I think she will hear me
    And will not say me nay.
    It is this that fills my soul
    With its joyous elation,
    As I hear the sweek lark sing
    In the clear air of the day.
                
1002.5... and the TUNE goes like ...?DEMSTA::WHITTLEYFri Feb 21 1992 14:3214
    Re .-1  
    
    Kathy,
    
    Thanks for the words of the song.
    They are indeed very beautiful.
    
    If I bring by tin whistle along to Death Park, will you teach me the
    tune?
    
    [Time we had the muscial fonts available to noters!]
    
    John
    
1002.6...it goes dum de dum de dumdedumde dumPEKING::REIDKMon Feb 24 1992 09:4610
    John,
    
    Yes of course I'll teach you the tune if you ever come here - at least the
    two bars I can remember accurately.  We could even have a duet!
    
    Samuel Ferguson's poem "The Vengance of the Welshmen of Tirawly" makes
    a good read.  Do you know that one?
    
    Kathy