Conference tallis::celt

    I forgot to put the date and time:
    
    7:00pm to 11:00pm on October 27, 1991 (Sunday). At the American Legion
    on 440 California St. on the Watertown/Newton line. California St runs
    parallel to Rte 16.

    When is he scheduled to come to New Mexico?
    
    

    re: .2
    
    I'm supposed to be getting some literature from the Irish-American
    Unity Conference. I'll also call to see if I can get a date & time.

    Joe,
    
    >Unity Conference. I'll also call to, see if I can get a date & time.
    
    
    I keep telling you those 900 phone numbers are no good for getting a
    date.  Try the local pubs for a date it works much better.  8*)..
    
    

    
     Don't worry, Joe.  I'll go on a date with ya.
    
     You're buyin', right?
    

    re: .2
    
    Went to see the Patrick Joe Hill last night...it was unbelievable! The
    unspeakable horrors that these six had to endure at the hands of the
    British police, let alone the whole British (IN)justice system.
    Whatever you've heard in the press about what the Birmingham police
    did to them, is only the tip of the iceberg of what the police 
    actually did to them. Believe me, "torture" would be too light a word.
    
    
    I got to talk with him afterwards and he said he wasn't sure
    what date(s) he'd be in New Mexico. He did indicate he had
    given a telephone interview to a radio station in New Mexico
    earlier yesterday. Sorry for the lack of info.
    
    He is flying to Detroit, then Chicago, and I think he said he'd be in
    San Francisco from the 5th to the 14th of November. SO, I guess
    he'd probably be in N.M. some time after that.
                                                       

    re .6
    
    As a matter of intrest, can you say what was the 'make up' of the
    people who went to listen to him speak. Were they mainly Irish ex-pats
    with an intrest in Irish politics or did any 'ordinary' Americans turn
    up ? Were there any US politicans there ? Were there any press reports
    of the contents of the speech the next day.
    
    Tony.
    

    I just finished reading Chris Mullin's book "Error of Judgement." Even
    though I knew right from the start that the story in it was true I
    found it incredible, from the detention on the night of the Birmingham
    pub bombs to the 1988 appeal. I kept thinking that these men must have
    though they had died and gone to hell - in fact one of them is reported
    as saying in prison "Please let me die."
    
    The book is very well written; in fact it deserves the involuntary
    praise given to it by a former Home Secretary (David Waddington) when
    he refered to it as "a novel." It reads as well as that; however, the
    story is too unbelievable for it to have been accepted for publication
    as a novel. Anyone who hasn't read it should do so. The ISBN is
    1-85371-090-3, and the publisher is Poolbeg.
    
    The book shows quite clearly that any Irishman would have done for the
    crime. I believe that even if there had been no forensic evidence
    against them at the time, the six men would have still had the shit
    beaten out of them till they confessed, as the police were planning
    from the start to take them back to Birmingham. That's just my belief,
    but there's as much evidence for it as there is for anything else to do
    with this case.
    
    There was a recent decision I half heard on the radio - in the last few
    days I believe - that the High Court has overruled a magistrates'
    decision not to proceed against the police in the Maguire family case.
    Can anyone who is closer to these things than I am confirm that? If so,
    then I expect that that will have positive implications for the case
    against Reade et al. (It's a pity no action can be taken against the
    judges involved in the various hearings, who are just as guilty as the
    police.) What is the current situation with the procedings against
    Reade and the others, does anyone know? The last I heard he was in
    Australia.
    
    I was amazed by a conversation I had about this with my mother on
    Sunday. She said that the Birmingham Six had never claimed not to be
    IRA men, and look what they were doing - going to an IRA man's funeral
    when they were arrested. I told her the facts, and pointed out that
    going to someone's funeral is not a crime. But I'm still not sure, I
    think it might be, despite everything.
    
    Phillip

    
    QUESTION :- Who was an advisor for the making of the movie "BLOWN
    AWAY", a film about a terrorist who can make effective bombs out 
    of household goods etc.. ???
    
    
    
    ANSWER :- That very nice man...Mr Hill of the Birmingham 6

        
    Gordon,
    
    I think it was actually Paul Hill of the Guilford Four, who provided
    technical advice to the makers of "Blown Away".
    
    It is sad that Paddy Joe Hill of the Birmingham Six is still being
    blamed for things he didn't do.......8*)

    
    Still interesting though....

Where did you hear this about Paul Hill? Do you know whether it was
this aspect of the movie he was consulting on?

Mark

  re. .12
  The aspect of the movie that Paul Hill would have
  been qualified to speak on, would have been the
  interrogation and beatings given by the British
  forces at the prison.

                 Mark

I saw the movie, there is a Paul Hill in the credits, but has it been
confirmed that it is "the" Paul Hill?  It's a common name, there are
2 Paul Hill in Digital at the moment.

If it was him, remember he was never accused of being the bomb maker. Because
he lived an "unlikely lifestyle" (lived in a shared room in
a hostel with nowhere to secure explosive materials) and they found forensic
evidence that linked bombings before and after Guildford, the police version
of events has him as simply a lookout. 

The movie "blown away" is very good though. The outside shots are all
in Boston and they just happen to be right by all the good tourist spots!
The older Bridges has to speak with an Irish accent the whole time, he's
not very convincing though. The youger Bridges does a bit better but
he only has to do an Irish accent for brief periods. Tommy Lee Jones has
to speak with an accent for the whole movie, he was pretty convincing
most of the time but some parts sounded more BBC English than Irish!

It also offers a glimpse of Boston-Irish culture which looked pretty
authentic. Highly recommended unless you don't like violent films!

Mark

    
    Paul Hill's father is living in a bedsit in Ayr and has slated (in 
    a Sunday rag) his son for his involvment in the movie. He (the father)
    said that it was an embarassment to him that after all the fighting he 
    did to clear his sons name that he should involve himself in such a 
    movie. (For those who dodn't know, the movie is about an Irish bomber
    who can "make bombs from bisquick")

    RE: .15  by MASALA::GMCKEE 
    
    >movie. (For those who dodn't know, the movie is about an Irish bomber
    >who can "make bombs from bisquick")
    
    I saw in a movie once where a guy made a bomb out of a can of beans.
    

I recall Mel Brooks making a bomb out of the film "Blazing Saddles" which 
incidently featured lots of beans....



Des

    
    Gordon,
    
    What kind of biscuit did they use ?
    
    8*)