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Conference tallis::celt

Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1632
Total number of notes:20523

922.0. "Maguire Convictions Overturned?" by TALLIS::DARCY () Wed Jun 26 1991 12:36

    I heard on the BBC this morning that the Maguire convictions were
    overturned in England.  Anyone care to add the particulars?
    
    -George
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922.1DELNI::CULBERTFree Michael CulbertThu Jun 27 1991 10:535
    
    Glad to see some more innocent people are free.  The pressure mounts
    for a review of all questionable cases in the UK.
    
    paddy
922.2TALLIS::DARCYThu Jun 27 1991 11:067
    Paddy, I think that 6 of them already served their sentence
    and 1 of them died in prison.  Correct me if I'm wrong anyone?
    So although their convictions were overruled too late, better
    late than never I say.  It's a pity that one of them had to
    die in prison when innocent of all charges...  
    
    -g  
922.3UNSAFE not overturnedCRISPY::HOUSEBThu Jun 27 1991 13:2121
    the convictions have not been overturned but just ruled unsafe.
    
    This has not pleased everybody as they feel their names have not really
    been cleared.  The judges declared the convictions as unsafe because
    although there were traces of nitroglycerine found in the Macguire's
    flat there is no way that the prosecution could prove which one of the
    7 had actually been handling the stuff.
    
    In other words the Crown Prosecution still think some of the seven are
    guilty but cannot prove which ones, therefore a guilty sentence to all
    seven is unsafe.  It seems the judges have tried to please the
    Macguires without embarrasing the British Government.
    
    Make of it what you will.
    
    Yes six of the seven served their sentence, while one Guiseppe Conlon -
    Gerry Conlon's (Guildford 4) father, died in prison.
    
    
    		Brian.
    
922.4Egg on the faces of the Judges.MACNAS::JDOOLEYThe age of AquariusFri Jun 28 1991 05:467
    I saw the news here on Wednesday evening and it featured Gerry Conlon
    leaving the Court-house.
    He was RAGING!!
    	The fact that the sentences were judged unsafe was not enough for
    him.
    	Its not often we see such anger displayed on TV but this time the
    Brit Establishment deserve it.
922.5DELNI::CULBERTFree Michael CulbertFri Jun 28 1991 10:2131
    
    re.  .3
    
       I thought that the case of the Birmingham Six proved beyond a doubt
    that there are many many ways to have traces of nitroglycerine show up
    without 'actually handling the stuff'.
    
    One of those ways is to handle a deck of playing cards or playing cards
    on a newly varnished table.  Or something like that.
    
    I also heard that during the original trial there was no mention of a
    towel or any other instrument of transfer. 
    
    So if in the original trial there was nothing mentioned then how can
    HMG use it now in support of a UNSAFE finding.  
    
    Personally I think the Government did a rotten job and is again responsible
    for major coverup activity.  
    
    I saw the same thing happen in this country with Watergate.  It sorta makes
    us ordinary citizens wonder what else the government does behind our backs.
    
    If I look at the cases of the Guildford Four, Birmingham Six, Maguire
    Seven and The Belfast One I am amazed that the people of GB aren't
    raising so much hell that it is heard around the world...
    
    I guess there needs to be a good look see at the present system...
    
    Well I'm off for three weeks holiday.  You all have fun now....
    
    paddy
922.6DUCK::HOUSEBMon Jul 01 1991 09:3510
    Totally agree Paddy.
    
    As I read in the Irish Emigrant this morning it seems that the Seven
    have been declared "a little bit not guilty".
    
    This ruling has angered everybody involved except the British
    Government.  Once again the courts and the judges are not big enough to
    stand up and say OK we made a mistake.
    
    		Brian.
922.7Brit JusticeFORTY2::MOOREPaul Moore, 7-830-4267, RE02 E/F2Fri Jul 12 1991 11:525
Just heard a new expression there the other day: 

   "That's a case of British Justice"

in the context of a botched up cover up job.