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Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1632
Total number of notes:20523

870.0. "Spanish speaking Irish?" by PHLACT::BROWNE () Tue Mar 05 1991 09:43

    I read in a recent newspaper that the new Ambassador from Uruguay to
    the U.S. is named Cornelius Macgillycuddy (correct spelling). Seems
    he is a lawyer from Montevideo who speaks several languages and is the
    descendant of Irish Emigrants to Argentina and then eventually Uruguay. 
     
    I remember reading years ago that there were many Irish who went to South
    America in the 1800's and there are towns in southern Argentina with
    Gaelic,Scottish and Welsh names...but of course the people now speak
    Spanish. If my grandparents didn't come to the U.S. back around the
    turn of the century from Galway and Liverpool ,who knows...
     
    I think this brings up an interesting subject,that is the settling 
    of Irish/Scottish/Welsh in countries other than the U.S.,Canada,and
    Australia...during the last century...
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870.1Tierra Del Fuego way way SouthBELFST::MCCOMBI'm glad I live in Carrickfergus....Tue Mar 05 1991 11:263
    I saw a documentary some time ago about Tierra Del Fuego and alot of
    natives there have Welsh blood through mixed marriages. They speak
    English with a Welsh accent!!!!!!!!
870.2MARVIN::COCKBURNAirson Alba UrTue Mar 05 1991 12:5512
>                      <<< Note 870.0 by PHLACT::BROWNE >>>
>                          -< Spanish speaking Irish? >-

>    I remember reading years ago that there were many Irish who went to South
>    America in the 1800's and there are towns in southern Argentina with
>    Gaelic,Scottish and Welsh names...but of course the people now speak
>    Spanish. If my grandparents didn't come to the U.S. back around the

Not necessarily 'of course'. There's quite a strong Welsh community
in Patagonia and they have an eistedffod (sp?) every year I believe.

	Craig
870.3Hwyl, MuchachosVAXUUM::WALTERSWed Mar 06 1991 10:5417
    
    There's a book by Richard Lewellyn called "Up Into the Singing
    Mountain" which talks about the Patagonia settlement.  Paul Theroux
    also touches on it in the closing chapters of his book "The Old
    Patagonia Express".
    
    I think I posted a note about this tale somewhere else.  I heard a
    story from home that during the Flaklands war, Welsh soldiers were
    surprised to find that some captured Patagonian conscripts in the
    Argentinian army could speak Welsh and had names like Jones, Evans
    etc.  Must have been pretty disconcerting.
    
    Regards
    
    Colin
870.4Ren� SpokeRUTILE::AUNGIERRen� Aungier, Site Telecom Mgr, DTN 885-6901, @FYOWed Mar 06 1991 18:1723
    South America has many Irish connections. The founder of modern day
    Peru, I believe the country is was a Alfonso O'Higgins and his brother
    had something to do with another country.
    
    The admiral who lead the Argentenians in a war against a Brazilian
    invasion was a one Admiral Browne. One of the Argentenian players in
    the world cup before the last one had the surname Browne.
    
    In Argentina there are many people who do not speak English but speak
    Irish Gaelic. The is a newspaper available in Irish there, it is called
    the shamrock and has the print in green, no joke.
    
    Many of the imigrants came to South America via Spain. In Madrid for
    example there is a large avenue called O'Donnell plus a Metro station.
    
    With a name like Magilacuddy he must be of Irish origin, there a
    mountain chain in Ireland called the Magillacuddyreeks (sp?). Cornelius
    I believe is also a Irish name.
    
    I used to have many books on the Irish in South America but I do not
    have them here.
    
    Ren�
870.5They can play for usMACNAS::JMAGUIRET�g go bog �Wed Mar 13 1991 11:235
    Argentina's Centre-Half in the 1986 World Cup was one Jorge Luis Brown,
    whose granny was Irish. He only played for Argentina 'cos Jack Charlton
    didn't spot him in time.
    
    Then there was the Brazilian right back Josie Maher....
870.6O'ReillyBUZON::RAMOS_JTue Mar 19 1991 17:407
    Don Alejandro O'Reilly born in Dublin,Ireland in 1725. He enter the
    harbor of San Juan, Puerto Rico in 1775 by the king of Spain. His
    job was to organize the defense of island. Don Alejandro did a very
    good job of the defense and also organization of the troop. Stay
    in Puerto Rico for many years.
    
    Jos�