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Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1632
Total number of notes:20523

867.0. "triskell ?" by EVOAI2::LEBARS () Mon Mar 04 1991 11:06

    Hello ! My name is Herve Ar Barzh , I come from Brittany .
    
    Does anybody have informations about the meaning or origin of the
    symbolic sign called triskell ?
    
    Trugarez vras ha kenavo ! 
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867.1symbol of two great islandsWHEEL::ST_ONGETue Mar 05 1991 09:3420
    Hello Herve,
    
    You got my curiosity up...I went home and found the following
    definition in "Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable."
    
    Triskelion, from the Greek meaning "three legged" is the symbol of
    both the Isle of Man and the island of Sicily.
    
    It did not explain the origins of this symbol.
    
    My father, a retired hydroelectric engineer, used to belong to an
    engineering society called "Triskellion."   He had a small pin in
    the shape of the triskellion.  I am curious as to why an engineering
    society would choose this as their symbol.  I'll give him a call to see
    if he knows more about it.
    
    Regards,
    
    Diane St. Onge
    
867.2How does it break down in Breton?VAXUUM::WALTERSTue Mar 05 1991 09:4820
    
    Herve,
    
    To try an etymological approach....
    
    Is it a compound word like tri-skell or tris-kell (book of kells?)
    Apart from the meaning 3, the tri could be synonymous with the Welsh
    and Cornish tre, meaning town or home.  Tres is a word used for reins
    or "traces".
    
    I can't think of anything that would be close to skell (Welsh has no K
    and the construct SC is rare)  Might be sgi^l, meaning to "ride behind"
    - someone on horseback.  This is a contraction of 'is gil'.
    
    How is the symbol drawn?  Anything like the Manx three-leg symbol?
    
    Regards,
    
    Colin
    
867.3three legged race....VAXUUM::WALTERSTue Mar 05 1991 10:2023
    
    Re -1
    
    Before anyone thinks I've been at the black stuff, Note 1 was not there
    when I started to write note .2  (Honest!) Leg is coes or esgair so it
    would be tri-esgair in Welsh, not a million miles in pronunciation from
    triskell. Manx culture is heavily influenced by Nordic culture, so you
    might have to look to the Vikings for an explanation of this symbol.
    
    
    Incidentally, one of the things I remember about the Isle of Man is that
    there is a huge hydro-powered mill there, and it's huge water wheel
    is a local landmark.
      
    
    Regards
    
    C
    
    PS - My list of Manx names identifies "Quayle" as being of manx origin.
         This probably explains how Dan Quayle can keep one foot in his
         mouth and still stand up.
    
867.4with a little help from the local library...WHEEL::ST_ONGEMon Mar 18 1991 08:4341
Hello Herve,

I made a visit to the public library, and here is what I learned about
the triskelion.

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From "An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Traditional Symbols" by J.C. Cooper,
(1978: London, Thames and Hudson, Ltd.)

Triskelion -- The three-legged, or three-footed, or three-pronged symbol which
largely shares the symbolism of the swastika.  It is the "swift feet," probably
solar movement, or the sun as rising, zenith and setting; it is also suggested
as the lunar phases, renewal of life.  Like the swastika it is a good luck
symbol.  It frequently appears with solar symbols and is seen on ancient coins
of Aspendus in Pamphilia, on coins of Menecratia in Phrygia, on Celtic crosses
where it is presumed to represent the Trinity and is a symbol of the sea god
Manannan, and in Teutonic symbolism where it is connected with Thor.  It is the
emblem of Sicily and the Isle of Man.

From "Dictionary of Mythology and Symbols" by Gertrude Jobes,
(1962: NY, Scarecrow Press)

Triskelion (triscele) -- Typifies the whirling sun.  Symbolizes energy, motion,
victory.  A lucky talisman.  Variant of the swastika.

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I asked my father about the symbol.  It was adopted as the symbol of his
engineering corporation, Stone and Webster Company.  This is presumably because
of its connection with energy.  If you are ever in Boston, you can see the
triskelion symbol atop the Stone and Webster building next to South Station.

I believe they also have an office in Paris (a little closer to you!)

Regards,

Diane St. Onge