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Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
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848.0. "The Brown Book" by CRATE::DUGGAN (trade up to a Tardis) Fri Dec 21 1990 05:01

   Anyone out there ever come across a version of this ancient Gaelic
   manuscript.

   According to the book I'm reading (The Mysterious Unknown, Robert 
   Charroux, first published 1969) 'the Brown Book, or Leabhar na hUidhri... 
   ... is the oldest of great Gaelic manuscripts and was transcribed 
   by Moelmuire about year 1100'.

   There's more :-

   'It tells the adventures of Condla, surnamed Ruadh ('the Red') or the 
    Beautiful, son of Cond cet-chatac ('of the hundred battles'), King of 
    Ireland from AD 123 to 153'. 

   And there's more on Condla Ruadh, his meeting the Lady Of the Hills,
   she asking him to 'follow her to the Land of Delights (Mag Meld) where
   lives King Boadag (the Victorious)'. Condla (the fool that he was) then 
   asks his Druid Coran 'to use his skill to ...put an end to the bewitchment;
   and .. the beatiful Lady bacame invisible to Condla, to whom she threw 
   an apple as she vanished'
   
   Any information or further references on this would be much appreciated.

   Happy Christmas all.
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848.1PRSSOS::MAILLARDDenis MAILLARDMon Dec 24 1990 07:3255
    Re .0:
    	First, a warning: Robert Charroux is a French equivallent of Von
    Daniken and Velikovski. The best use you can put his books to is to
    light your chimney fire with them this winter. The most charitable
    suggestion about him is that he's feeble-minded...
    
    	Now about 'Lebor na hUidre', commonly known as 'the Book of the Dun
    Cow'. I think it is kept in the library of the Royal Irish Academy. It
    is the oldest (late 11th or early 12th century) among the few
    manuscripts which contain most of what we know of early Irish
    literature. It was compiled in the monastery of Clonmacnoise. The other
    best known manuscripts of the same kind are the 'Yellow Book of Lecan',
    and the 'Book of Leinster'. They include miscellaneous stories (many
    versions) of four main groups of myths or legends:
    
    -Stories about the 'Tuatha D� Danann', among them the 'Lebor Gab�la',
    or 'Book of Conquest', which tells how the Tuatha D� Danann, or tribes
    of the goddess Danu, conquered Ireland over the Fomorians.
    -The Ulster cycle, stories about King Conchobor and C�chulainn, chief
    of the warriors of the Red Branch. The 'T�in B� C�ailnge' or 'Cattle
    raid of Ulster' is part of this cycle.
    -The Fenian cycle, stories about Finn mac Cumaill, his son Ois�n and
    the other warriors of the Fiana.
    -A group of stories and genealogical tracts centred on various kings
    said to have reigned between the 3rd century BC and the 8th century AD.
    The beginning of the historical period, with the first Irish chronicles
    (in Latin) is in between, in late 6th century.
    
    	The text in 'Lebor na hUidre' is badly flawed and mutilated. I
    don't know the name of the monk(s?) who compiled it, his name might
    well have been Moelmuire, as Charroux transcribes it, but he must not
    be confused with his homonym Mael Mura of Othain who died in 887, one
    of the most well known ancient Irish poets, author of many of the poems
    included in the aforementionned manuscripts.
    
    	As for Conn C�tchathach (Conn of the hundred battles), he's the
    eponym of Connacht and the various chronologies place him between the
    first and the third century AD. Professor Thomas F. O'Rahilly has
    convincingly demonstrated that he is not an historical king, but one of
    the names of the Otherworld god from whom the Celts believed themselves
    to be descended. More precisely, he's the ancestor god of the Goidels
    invaders, who conquered Ireland over the other tribes who were already
    there (Picts -or Cruithni-, Belgians -or Belgae or F�r Bolg-, Lagin,
    Domnainn and G�lioin, all of them being Celts too, although it's not
    absolutely sure for the Picts). On the other hand, Conn's alleged
    grandfather, Tuathal Techtmar, is practically sure to have been a real
    man, the actual chief of the invading Goidels. Con(d)la is a form of
    Conn's gilla, or servant (or follower) of Conn. The myth of Conla is
    indeed in the 'Lebor na hUidre' which has been edited by Best and
    Bergin. I'm sorry, I don't know if this edition is in (old) Irish only
    or bilingual and I don't have the date either. Various editions of
    'Lebor Gab�la', 'T�in B� C�ailnge' and other extracts of the
    manuscripts can be found in Ireland. Maybe some dweller of the Green
    Isle will be able to give you more info about it.
    			Denis.
848.2Tain Bo CuailngeJEREMY::MAURENEMaurene Fritz, JerusalemSat Dec 29 1990 14:4311
There is a beautiful and very readable version of the Tain Bo Cuailnge that was
put out by Irish University Press in 1969, translation by Thomas Kinsella and
drawings by Louis le Brocquy (Dolmen Editions IX).  I have seen it used for
design bindings in exhibition.  Of course, it might be a rare book by now, but
I think it's worth keeping your eyes open for.
I have purposely not used accents, because the machines here are geared to print
Hebrew, and when they receive Irish, all the accented letters come through as
infrequently used Hebrew letters.  Mixed with the Irish, it makes a very
interesting tho' puzzling combination.
-Seamas Mac Fhlaithbheartaigh

848.3PRSSOS::MAILLARDDenis MAILLARDThu Jan 03 1991 03:0411
    Re .2: Part of .1 comes from the notes and addenda in my copy of that
    edition of the T�in, bought in Dublin 2 and 1/2 years ago. The rest
    comes mostly from "Early Irish History and Mythology" by T. F.
    O'Rahilly, published by the Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies in
    1946 and republished 11 or 12 time since. But I didn't mention this
    edition of the T�in in .1 because the myth of Condla doesn't belong to
    that part of "Lebor na hUidre" and consequently is not included in this
    book. As far as I can tell, it is part of the stories related to the
    genealogical tracts, and I don't know if it is published in a book that
    is not now out of print. Anybody knows?
    			Denis.