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Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
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834.0. "Tory Leadership - Maggie hangs in.." by ULYSSE::COADY () Tue Nov 20 1990 14:04

    
    
    The result of the Tory leadership election - Maggie won the first count
    by 210 votes to 140 ( i think ).
    
    It is NOT enough for her to re-elected - ie not 15% more, so the 2nd
    round will bnext weeThere is strong speculation that she will step down
    and not seek re-election next week,  tho who knows.
    
    GC
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834.1she is still hanging inULYSSE::COADYWed Nov 21 1990 03:2410
    
    
    Just heard on TV this morning that Maggie will indeed contest next
    weeks elections, but there may also be a 3rd canditate.  The rumour is
    that it will Douglas Hurd.
    
    So looks like her policies and attitudes may live on.
    
    
    
834.2Politicians and phones don't mix.MACNAS::JDOOLEYRatholes by appointmentWed Nov 21 1990 06:3111
    Real results:-
    	Maggie       204
    	Heseltine    152
    	Abstentions   16
    		Maggie told the reporters in Paris she had to make a few
    phone calls........
    		I wonder was she phoning the Queen????
    
    			Will we have a repeat of the Brian Lenihan affair
    	British style?????
    
834.3Eleven years too lateFORTY2::DONOVANWed Nov 21 1990 09:0016
	Personally I don't really mind who leads the Tory party - as long
	as they lead them into obscurity ! (Labour are there already
	unfortunately)
	
	Heseltine is no angel either by the way; he just appears that way
	compared to Maggie. He's showing a more elightened attitude
	towards Europe than most Tories which is better for the UK, but
	don't expect him (if he gets in and it's a fairly big if at this
	stage) to have noticably different policies on any other subject.
	
	Mind you, I'm probably the only person in the UK who thought that
	Michael Foot would have made a great Prime Minister so I'm hardly
	in tune with mainstream policital opinion !
		
	John
834.4Maggie is on the way out according to a radio newsflashFORTY2::DONOVANThu Nov 22 1990 05:509
	I've just heard that Maggie Thatcher has announced she will NOT
	stand in round two of the Tory leadership election, and will
	stand down as Prime Minister when her successor is decided.
	
	Rumour is that Douglas Hurd will oppose Michael Heseltine in the
	leadership contest.
	
	John
834.5Toryism and the Irish LinkFORTY2::MOOREIf it works, don't fix itThu Jan 31 1991 08:319
I was recently looking up that great bastion of British respectability, the 
Collins English Dictionary, and came across the entry for Tory.

I've forgotten the full entry, but the origin is apparantly an old Gaelic word
meaning rebel. 

Don't forget you first read it here, folks!

Paul
834.6MARVIN::COCKBURNAirson Alba UrThu Jan 31 1991 11:2593
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>I've forgotten the full entry, but the origin is apparantly an old Gaelic word
>meaning rebel. 

>Don't forget you first read it here, folks!

I think you'll find this interesting....

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Some current English words have very funny backgrounds !!!

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In the context of Auntie Maggie's new Poll Tax, and the many protests
against it, it may be interesting to study the origin of the nickname
of the Conservative party (Tory).

To quote from an (old) edition of the Oxford Dictionary:

tory, n&a. (Member) of the party that opposed the Revolution of 1688,
supported policy of George III, opposed Reform Bill of 1832 & and has been
succeeded by Conservative party (cf. Whig); T. Democrat, Conservative who
inclines to some democratic principles. Hence toryism n. [ orig. =
Irish robber, f.Ir. toiridhe, toruighe, pursuer, cf. Gael. toir pursuit]

"some" democratic principles, "robber", "pursuer"

I rest my case.


-- 

    ,      ,                       , ,
"Is e an chead bhraon a rinne mo sharu;

	chan fhuil dolaidh ar bith sa chuid deireanach"


 		Another old Armagh proverb


"Ask not what your country can do for you,

	But rather what you can do your country for"


		New Armagh proverb

Some other info on Gaelic words in English....

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Some Gaelic words which have made their way in Scots:

Ben, Glen, Strath, Bog, Clan, Bard, Slogan, Caber, Whisky, Ghillie, Sporran

And some more surprising ones:

The rain came teaming down. Teaming comes from the Gaelic  thaoman.
The full expression in Gaelic is "th�inig uisge 'na thaoman"

the day, meaning today. The Gaelic is 'an diugh' (an = the)

smashing, meaning good. Gaelic is " 's math sin", virtually identical
pronounciation. Literal translation is 'that is good'

galore, comes from gu le�r. Literal translation is enough or plenty.

and of course Whisky from uisge beatha (water of life).

	Craig
834.7Some more influences of gaelicFORTY2::MOOREPaul Moore, 7-830-4267, RE02 E/F2Wed Aug 07 1991 06:2913
Another one that reached American is "slew", meaning crowd, which originates 
from the Gaelic word slua. 

The influence of Celtic languages is not limited to English. Large parts of 
Northern Europe were speaking dialects of Celtic languages, giving rise to a
"Celtic empire" of sorts, but one that was not concentrated in towns. This lack
of central organisation meant that it was not match for the spread of the Roman
empire, and only remnants in scattered Northeastern Europe survive. However,
Celtic-originated words exist in for example Dutch, where asal is the word for
donkey, and a word very similar in spelling to the Gaelic "coinnaoin" exists for
the word rabbit.

- Paul