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Title:Celt Notefile
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799.0. "The Official Peat (Turf) Note" by TALLIS::DARCY () Thu Aug 30 1990 14:48

    
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799.1Off to the bogs...TALLIS::DARCYThu Aug 30 1990 14:4939
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From: [email protected] (Frank MALONEY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Bogs
Keywords: environment
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 24 Aug 90 15:25:29 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp., Redmond WA
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I found a brief article in a newspaper this week concerning
the peat bogs of Ireland and a controversy surrounding their
health. Some folks were saying, apparently, that the bogs are
in some state of environmental crisis and others, especially
the Bord na Mona (the turf board--right?) saying everything
is just fine. One side says that only half of the bogs are
surviving in any state resembling a natural one; the other
that the harvesting of peat provides employment in remote
rural localities as well as a non-petroleum source of energy
for Ireland. The environmentalists say the modern methods of
exploiting the bogs leaves them "a brown desert" (I believe
was the phrase).
 
I was also interested that the article mentioned en passant
that another threat to the bog ecology is forestation. Is
Ireland planting forests? Or is this happening naturally?
It's my understanding (and what do I know?) that Ireland's
original oak forests were stripped centuries ago. In fact,
are there any survivors of the old forests in Ireland?
 
Any comments on any of this would be appreciated by your
humble poster, who has never seen an Irish peat bog or smelt
a peat fire.
 
-- 
			Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
Disclaimer: Microsoft doesn't even know I have 3 middle names.
		"I leave you now in radiant tranquility."
799.2Turf and Begora Tis it yourself that's in it !!HILL16::BURNSIs the whole world aGuinnessThu Aug 30 1990 15:079
    
    
    
    	Slow Day George ???			:-)
    
    
    
    
    
799.3 WREATH::DROTTERFri Aug 31 1990 15:0110
    
    Turf and Begorra, and Bejasus to be sure!
    
    George Darcy apppears!
    
    
    keVin, isn't that one of the signs that the end of the world is near?!
    :-)
    
    Joe (Ambassador, Tir na nOg)
799.4Nothing can pare 2 ewes (at one time)TALLIS::DARCYMon Sep 10 1990 15:164
    Well, it's either talk about turf or about Sinead "Star Spangled
    Banner" O'Connor.  I decided turf was more interesting.
    
    -g
799.5Black toys on slow sleds...KAOM25::RUSHTONUnscathed by inspired lunacyMon Sep 10 1990 17:067
I see that Frankie "Mafioso" Sinatra was particularly miffed at her
universal refusal to have national anthems played at her performances.

Looks like he's suffering from a sudden outbreak of the emperor's new
clothes.

Pat
799.6SIOG::OSULLIVAN_DBest Before 07/68Tue Sep 11 1990 05:185
    George
    
    We may be back to burning more turf if the Gulf crisis gets worse.
    
    -Dermot
799.7It wouldn't be the first time I "Borrowed" some turf.HILL16::BURNSIs the whole world aGuinnessTue Sep 11 1990 08:2511
    
    
    	-Dermot : Tell Joe Farrell we might have to make a trip to
                  Achill for a few lorries of turf.
    
    
    
    		keVin
    
    
    
799.8DELNI::CULBERTTue Sep 11 1990 10:257
    
    
    I'll get my own,  Thank You!!!
    
      Maybe as soon as next month
    
    paddy
799.9PeatniksTALLIS::DARCYMon Apr 01 1991 11:2880
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From: [email protected] (Frank Maloney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Peat Bog story in Wall Street Journal
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 7 Jan 91 22:40:00 GMT
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In the center column, page 1, of the Wall Street Journal for
Mon., Jan. 7, is an article entitled "European Peatniks Are
Trying to Save Historic Irish Bogs", with the following
subhead: "Dank and Quivering Mires Now Evolve as Sanctuaries
Of Rare Plants, Dead Men."

The story by Glynn Mapes is datelined Birr, Ireland.
According to the story, scientists and conservationists have
called for a boycott of horticultural peat as a way of
preserving the bogs as sanctuaries. These so-called peatniks
say, according to Mapes, that the Irish and British bogs
will be destroyed in 10 to 20 years.

A specialist at the Nature Convervancy is quoted as saying
that bogs are an ancient landscape, 8,000 years old,
preserving perfectly the flora of the Neolithic Age.

The article also speaks of Neolithic humans being preserved
in the bacteria-free peat, including the Lindow man found in
a bog near Manchester. The lower half of his body was
destroyed by a peat-cutting machine, but the remainder is
dark and leathery, with a beard and a neatly cut throat.

The House of Lords has debated bog preservation.

Mapes describes walking in a bog and what he/she saw. This
particular bog is called All-Saints and was purchased by the
Irish government for preservation, although one corner is
outside the conversation area and is being cut to provide
potting material for gardeners in England. The reporter says
experts predict this will drain water away from the rest of
the bog and destroy it.

Peat producers in Ireland and the U.K. have mounted a
campaign to save the $140 million horticultural-peat market in 
Britain. They say there's plenty of bogs left, 6.7 million
acres in the British Isles. They say they're working less
than 1% of that. They are mounting a p.r. campaign in garden
centers about their responsible attitudes and their
dedication to environmental protection.

The peatniks dispute the acreage and the percentage figure.
Geoff Hamilton, a British gardening columnist and BBC
gardening figure, is quoted as saying only 4% of the bogs
are left.

An alternative to peat in providing water retention and soil
aeration has been found, apparently, in coir, made from
coconut husks.

Impetus to the save-the-bog campaign cames from the Dutch,
especially Matthijs Schouten, a botanist who started a
foundation to buy Irish bogs because the Dutch bogs were
gone and this was the next best thing.

The article says the Irish were shocked that foreigners
cared so much about something they had viewed as a symbol of
waste and poverty.

It's a good article and obviously I've left out a lot in my
summary.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"The dim boy claps because the others clap."
		Richard Hugo, "The Freaks at Spurgin Road Field"


799.10All Aboard the Bog Water ExpressTALLIS::DARCYTue Apr 02 1991 00:39112
    All Aboard the Bog Water Express - Cormac MacConnell

    (Irish Voice 3/16/1991)

    I hope that you will someday come to Blackwater Bog, whose heart is in
    Offaly but whose soul lies in Galway, and there catch the new Bog
    Train, now running every hour, on the narrow gauge journey through our
    yesterdays.  I hope that ye will not forget to catch the Bog Train.

    It is a reality of modern Ireland that fewer and fewer people go to the
    bogs, like in the old days, even though, paradoxically, more turf is
    being used than ever before.  It is in the nature, I suppose, of
    development.  More turf, from the brown heart of Ireland, from the Bog
    of Allen, is now being developed daily than ever before because it is
    needed, in milled form, for the giant power stations set up long ago by
    the State to capitalize on a natural resource.

    More houses are burning a kind of turf too because Bord na Mona (the
    Peat Board), one of the success stories of the State's growth, produces
    handy bales of compressed briquettes which are as common a sight in the
    centers of cities as they are outside country grocery shops.  This
    marketing effort, incidentally, has been greatly assisted in recent
    seasons by a series of gravel-voiced adverts on radio and T.V.
    featuring no less than Dubliner Ronnie Drew and his long-time crony
    Banjo Barney McKennan.  Many's the turf fire that pair of boyos have
    watched dying to embers in their lively lives!

    However, because of this centralized production, and the development,
    in many regions, of co-operative groups developed specifically for
    machine turf production, the dotted little figures of families on the
    brown faces of the bogs of Ireland have frequently been replaced by the
    larger and larger machines, crawling over the heatherscape, spitting
    our wet guts of the bog to trail behind and dry slowly and aromatically
    in the sun.  Many of the families who once cut their own turf, only a
    few years ago, now send in machines to do the job for them.  It is a
    sign of the changing times.

    And this is one of the reasons why many of the passengers on the new
    Bog Train, every hour on the hour through Blackwater Bog, will be
    seeing the bog itself through new eyes.  From being a symbol of
    backbreaking work that had to be done to keep the home fires burning,
    the bogs, for many, have now become mysteriously marshy places, of
    sun-dry greens, browns, slick blacks and yellows, places where
    custom-built machines growl all day and where men don't walk abroad
    anymore with a slean (turf spade) over their shoulders and a sallywood
    handle in it to keep their hands cool while the blade dug down and in,
    twist and up, time and time again.  It is into this world that the Bog
    Train is now running across the Blackwater Bog, every hour on the hour. 
    The Blackwater Bog, about fifteen miles east of Ballinasloe, one of the
    big bogs that feeds the Shannonbridge Power Station, is typical enough
    of the current state of the central boglands.  Millions upon millions
    of tons of peat have been machined out of its breast, over the past
    thirty years, to keep the power station pluming.  Untold millions of
    tons remain.  But, increasingly, the bog is becoming what they call
    Cutaway... the resource is not limitless... and all the acreages of
    Cutaway hint strongly at the beginning of the end.

    And this, in a way, is why the Bog Train is beginning to puff lightly
    and brightly through the heather.  In a move which deserves to be
    lauded, the management of Bord na Mona have recently begun to encourage
    their workers, who have created entire towns in the Midlands by dint
    of numbers, to look through the medium-term towards the future of the
    bogs.  When all will be Cutaway.  When the bogs will have been
    exhausted.  When their will be no more turf for the machines to scrape
    away.

    As part of that process the Bord has been encouraging some of its
    workers to break their total dependence upon the brown stuff.  Some
    workers, as a result, have become sub-contractors to the Bord rather
    than employees.  Some have been developing peaty products like peat
    moss for gardeners and marketing these.  And one group of farsighted
    men, on the Blackwater Bog, have begun operating the famous Bog Train. 
    Which runs every hour, on the hour.

    There is, you see, a very extensive narrow gauge railway system through
    the bog.  It winds here and there, snaking hereabouts and thereabouts,
    developed over the years to follow the machines that pursued the rich
    banks of peat.  It runs through some of the strangest and most
    fascinating landscapes in the whole country.  Here, there is a bank of
    totally undisturbed bog, centuries old, surviving because, maybe the
    machines could not reach it.  There, nearby, is the flatness of the
    Cutaway.  Further on still are clumps of exotic trees, planted by the
    Bord to see if the Cutaway has any potential for forestry.

    A little further on you will se the wonderland of an acre or two
    apparently populated only by the crone-headed bog cotton, spun silk on
    a spare neck, nodding sagely to every breeze that passes.  And there is
    even a section along the snaking track which shows the way the bog
    preserves its old trees, oak, beech and ash and hazel, all marinated
    and blackened and burned by centuries of burial into weird and
    wonderful shapes.  They alone represent a very special sight, their
    hardened arms reaching upwards towards the flat Heaven which hangs over
    the Blackwater Bog.

    Anyway the group of Blackwater Bogmen, in their wisdom, have launched
    the Bog Train as part of their own anti-Cutaway plan.  It represents a
    splendid bit of clear thinking on their behalf.  It represents a new
    dimension of amenity for both overseas visitors and locals in the area. 
    There is special engine and a specially designed fifty-seater coach. 
    There is literature and full guide service.  The trip covers an almost
    six-smile circling route through the bog and takes just under an hour. 
    I have ridden the Bog Train and I will ride it again.  Jolting along
    through the dead timber roots, past the bog cotton, I was remembering my
    own boyhood days in a Fermanagh bog.  I remember a spring well where
    the water was from the Garden of Eden before the Fall.  I remembered
    the frog who dwelt at the bottom of that well, looking upwards greenly
    through the crystal at the faces of children helping their father to
    spread tomorrow's fires today, to warm and brown in the sun.

    If you get to the Midlands soon then you must go to the Blackwater Bog.
    And you must ride upon the Bog Train.  A journey, today, back into
    yesterday and the days long before that.  Every hour on the hour.
799.11A good night out.DBOSW2::BRENNAN_MTodays best labour saver - TomorrowTue Apr 02 1991 07:144
You can also attend the "Bogmans Ball". Ther is a great story behind that

		MBr
799.12Nano nano!!!FSOA::KSULLIVANTue Apr 02 1991 14:168
    George,
           Just how long did it take you to type all that??? keVin always
    lead us to believe you lived a dazzlingly hectic life....something here
    doesn't quite fit??? Can you shed some light.......in less than 100
    lines???
                          Yours in awe,
    
                                M.
799.13I said he was DIZZY, not DAZZLINGLY ... 8-)ACTGSF::BURNSI listen to CLARE FM 96.4Tue Apr 02 1991 15:428
    
    	Murphy : He's just trying to impress Drotter and Hughes !!!  :-)
    
    
    
    	keVin
    
    	
799.14All for the BogsTALLIS::DARCYTue Apr 02 1991 16:203
    I just had one of my secretaries do it.  That's all.
    
    Now make sure you ride that Bog Train on your next holidays or else!
799.15That explains it ....ACTGSF::BURNSI listen to CLARE FM 96.4Tue Apr 02 1991 18:587
    
    
    
    It must have been entered by "JEN the most underpayed person in DEC"  :-)
    
    
    
799.16George, about those caffeinated beverages...TOLKIN::OROURKEWed Apr 03 1991 13:3321
    
    
    Re: .14
    
    !     I just had one of my secretaries do it.  That's all.
    
    
    ONE of your secretaries...just how many secretaries do you have now?
    
    
    Re: .15 
    
    ! It must have been entered by "JEN the most underpayed person in
      DEC"  :-)
      
    
    Honest, it was me.  The only typing I've been doing in my spare time is
    for the Special Olympics.  They don't pay me at all, but at least they
    have the decency of calling me a valued volunteer rather than an
    employee |:+>
    
799.17Picket...Friday 1pm.FSOA::KSULLIVANThu Apr 04 1991 13:378
    I thought the remark to be sexist and the tone to be very demeaning...
    ....after all, what else are these secretaries for....only typing
    lengthy articles at his beckon call....if I was one I'd be very upset..
    ...secretaries of the world unite and stomp out darcyism everywhere....
    
                         Yours dogmatically,
    
                              Ms. M.
799.18out of the mud...back to the turf!TOLKIN::OROURKEFri Apr 05 1991 17:1010
    
    
    Dear Ms. M---me thinks you're really a MR----with perhaps a few sexist
    tendencies of your own.
    
    Note .14 didn't mention GENDER at all....it was you who assumed he was
    referring to a female when he said secretary...tsk tsk.
    
    /j
    
799.19FSOA::KSULLIVANWed Apr 10 1991 11:0015
    .......not to mention perverse to boot (or is that "in" boots???)?
    
    All I can say is that I'm even more awestruck, that George not only has
    his legions of people (totally sexless) typing away feverishly for him, 
    but that they also rush to his defence with such fervour....such loyalty!!! 
    
    I've been warned....in future I'll be more gen(d)erous.....
    
                           Plain M.                     
     
    
    
    
    
    
799.20KAOM25::RUSHTONThe frumious BandersnatchWed Apr 10 1991 15:527
<<...not to mention perverse in Boots.

Is that the same as doing queer things at the chemist's...


	- Mr. Frozen Road Apple    

799.21NA source of peat briquettes??POLAR::RUSHTONտ�Fri Aug 02 1996 17:2812
    Getting back to the original thread...
    
    Does anyone know of a North American supplier/distributor of peat
    briquettes?
    
    I have heard that they were available over here, but I have had no luck
    so far locating a supply.
    
    Mind you, I did haul back about 15 Kg of turf from my trip to Ireland
    in May-June of this year...Canada Customs didn't even search my bags.
    
    Pat