Conference tallis::celt

    Hmmm Jim, there's a Ballindine in Co. Mayo.  Do you know what
    county he was from?  I'll check my Shell Guide to Ireland
    this evening for more town names.
    
    The town name could easily have been corrupted when recorded.
    
    -george

    
    
    Jim,
    
    The only thing I could find that seems even close is Doonaha in
    Clare Co. It is about 5 k west of Carrigaholt and 5 k east of Kilrush.
    
    It is 1 k north of the mouth of River Shannon.  Probably isn't the
    place though because the spelling is so far off.   I'll bet that
    SNAKE will know though...                     
    
    paddy
    
    

    It would help in locating if you told us your great grandparent's
    surname.  Is it Donnelly?
    
    -george

Yes, his surname is Donnelly and I have no idea what county he is from.  Hope
you can help me determine that.

thanks

jim

    
    
    Charles Donnelly - hmmmmm, could be Norn Iron
    
    like  Ballymena

    Jim,
    
       I'll be calling over to Belfast this week-end and I'll ask about
    the town....
    
       If you are real serious you may want to try contacting the;
    
        Ulster Family Register
    
          An archive of genealogical material containing over 500,000
    names including Ulster marriages c 1719-1845 extracted from selected
    church registers.  Contact John McCabe, Ulster Family Research
    Services, Lansdowne, 3 Stonebridge End, Stoneyford, Lisburn, Co.
    Antrim.  Tel (084664)772
    
            or
         Public Records Office
    66Balmoral Avenue, Belfast BT9 6NY.  Tel (0232)661621
       The main source of manuscript information for genealogical research
    in Ulster.
    
    Good Luck
    
    paddy
    
    ps  Since your great great grandfather married a woman from Scotland
    there is a pretty good chance you'll find your roots in the North
    of Ireland. 

	Hello, I would guess your grandfather was from Donegal since Donnelly
	is a common name there.
	
	If this is correct then with a dash of imagination and a pinch of
	salt, 'Bydona' could be a corruption of Bundoran (phonetically
	Byndurn) on the west coast.
	
	John

    Leaprechauns are unclear.
    
    I have never heard of a place called Byelona.  It could be that
    BY would be a shortening of Bally  leaving you with Ballydona
    or even Ballydonagh, or Ballymoney if the recorder didn't have the
    accent or the patience to listen carefully. 
    
    In many cases Irish people pre 1900 (especially emigrants) were
    illiterate and would not be able to correct a lazy recorder.
    
    Ballymoney is a large town in Co. Antrim.  
    
    If you have any dates relevant to a record in Ireland e.g. marriage
    of Charles' father and mother, or birth or death certs. etc. you
    could probably go a long way by following Paddy's advice.
    
    Snake explores the possibilities.
    
     

	Knowing the way that you people change the accents if Irish words is 
is usually a help.

	My guess is Ballina in Co Mayo. 

		MBr	

    Oral tradition in my family tells me that my Grandmother, a Lane, was
    born in Innishannon.  I think it's near Cork.  Anybody know of it?
    

    Innishannon is a small town near Bandon in county Cork. It has
    basically a single main street, which constitutes a section of
    the Cork-Bandon road, and a few side streets. About six bars and
    a few shops. A lot of ruins: a old abbey and so on. (I passed through
    it a few weeks ago travelling from Cork to Bandon.)
    
    The surname Lane appears to be fairly common in Cork county. From
    the phone book I found a John Lane at Dromkeen, Innishannon.

    Leaprechauns are in the maroon.
    
    The single most famous Lane in Ireland right now is of course Noel
    Lane who plays at full-forward on the Galway hurling team who will
    trounce Cork in the all-Ireland final in 12 days time.
    
    Snake says Galway are magic.
    

    Say Paddy -
    
    I am curious - why did you mention that the fact marrying someone
    from Scotland means the Irish person is most likely from the North?
    Why is that?
    
    P.S. Jim -
    
    My mother was from Donegal and I have heard the name Donnelly is
    quite common there also.
    
    Linda -

    
       Well I guess the Northern part of Ireland is more accessible for
    holiday trips.  I know alot of Scots that holiday in the North. And
    when one holidays one meets the natives so to speak. And BANG they fall
    deeply in love with the Irish and marry (now how can anyone resist such
    a charming people). This is just one reason there are many.
     
       Now remember this all happened when the mode of transportation was not 
    as advanced as it is today. 
     
       But then I didn't meet very many Scots in the Southern part of the
    Republic last year but I did encounter alot of Germans and Yanks.
                                                                    
    paddy

    
    
    	Paddy: Do you mean "Vasindoolins"  !!!!		:-)
    
    
    
    
    	keVin
    

    When I lived in Glasgow a few years back there was a documentary on the
    Glaswegian Irish and they estimated that in Glasgow alone there was
    20,000 first and second generation Irish just from Donegal !! Almost
    all the Irish you're likely to meet are from Ulster. But then there's
    always a few bad apples like us Corkies to upset the statisticians.
    
    	- Robin who's better-half is Glaswegian......

	You're not kidding ! the school I went to was divided into classes in
	alphabetical order, and we had an entire class of C's and D's for all
	the Connellys, Connaghans, Donnellys, and Delaneys. It was unusual to
	find someone who didn't have family in somewhere like Letterkenny or
	Ballybofey. There was a contingent came over regularly for Celtic's
	home games, and I believe there was also a Rangers supporters club
	from Donegal who came over (pretty rare in the Republic I imagine).
	
	Why the fascination with Glasgow ? obviously the great weather and
	outstanding job prospects . . . there must have been some sort of
	post world war two boom in the area to attract so many people; I know
	there were a lot of jobs to be had on the railways; there would also
	have been a lot more iron, steel and heavy engineering at the time
	(but sadly not any longer).
	
	John

    re:.0
    
    You might try a publication called 'Lewis's Topographical Dictionary of
    Ireland'.  Since it is likely that the name mentioned is a townsland,
    and there are 10s of thousands of these in Ireland, this book (it:'s
    old ) may help.  Try the National Library in Ireland if you make no
    progress in the U.S. (looking for the book)
    
    
    -Dermot

    
    RE: the Irish in Glasgow
    
    According to one Ol' Feller in my family tradition might have something
    to do with it. In the early 1800's the Irish who had money went
    to America. Those that didn't went to Scotland to work in the mines
    and the factories. My own seem to have done exactly that. We know
    that between 1840-1858 they moved from County Down to Kilmarnock.
    They saved their pence and came to the U.S. in between 1900-1905.
    Amazingly they knew what they wanted and did exactly the same thing
    to get it. They went to Colorado and worked in the mines until they
    had enough money to buy a farm in Connecticutt. Despite the fact
    that my grand parents were born in Scotland they were always fiercely
    Irish.

While looking through "Irish Records, Sources for family and Local History,"
by James Ryan, I came across the civil and RC parishes of Upper and Lower
Bodoney in Co. Tyrone. Seems like a pretty good match for the phonetic spelling
of the location "Bydona" that I was trying to match.  Further, since my
GGrandfather is Charles Donnelly and the name O'Donnelly figures prominately
in Co. Tyrone history, it appears that I may have hit pay dirt.

Jim
  

    
    Congrats.....
    
        Keep digging!!!!!!!
    
    paddy

    RE: .11  by TRIBES::CREAN 
    
    >Innishannon is a small town near Bandon in county Cork. ...
    
    Well, they're probably going to have to enlarge it now.  I was flipping
    the channel during a commercial on Star Trek:TNG, when I saw local TV
    person, Peter Mehegan, walking the streets of my grandmother's village
    of Innishannon.  It seems Boston's channel 5 has been doing a series of
    programs this week, travelling around Ireland and the commentator came
    to Innishannon in search of his roots.  Lo and behold, he was chatting
    with Fr. O'Donovan and looking at the parish records, just as I had
    done, Summer before last.  And there was Alice Taylor, who writes books
    and has a little office at the top of the stairs in the village
    supermarket.  Her latest book has a picture on the cover of Billy
    O'Connell at his forge, where I talked with him about Lanes who lived
    there before.  Down at the Innishannon House hotel he talked with Conal
    O'Sullivan, the very same who was so hospitable to me when I was there.
    
    This was such a treat.  If only I coul have taped it to show to some of
    the Lane cousins who live outside of the Boston area.  Oh well.
    
    While we're on the subject of location, what can anyone tell me about
    Doneraile, just outside of Mallow?  I found that a nephew of my great
    grandfather, Dennis Ahern, was born there in 1867.  This, coupled with
    a tombstone inscription that his wife's people, the Fitzpatricks, were
    from the Parish of Mallow, has narrowed my search for the Ahern's home
    town.
    

    Leaprechauns saw the Irish Spring at Cheltenham
    
    One of the most auspicious events to occur involving Doneraile was the
    first ever steeplechase (fence jumping horse racing to you
    un-initiated).
    
    The name steeplechasing comes from the event which was a race over
    open countryside and over ditches and anything else that got in the way
    was held over a course from the Steeple of the church in Buttevant to
    the church steeple in Doneraile.  Original horse-borne orienteering.
    
    THe event took place in the early 1800's.  Steeple chasing reaches its
    pinnacle at Cheltenham in mid-March every year and the Irish take the 
    place over to clean out the bookies.
    
    THe Aintree Grand national is the most internationally known version
    of the event.
    
    Snake is happy after six Irish winners.
    

    Mike,
    
    There is one heck of a difference between fence jumping horse racing
    and steeple chasing.
    
    You would know if you ever sat on the back of a hunter
    Mbr

    In 1871 there was a place in County Cork called Dromroe.  Can anybody
    tell me where that is or was?
    

    
    In a Civil War pension record I was looking at the persons place of
    birth was given as follows:
    
    	"on July 6 - 1837 in the county of Gallaway, in the parish of
    	Ballinkill in the town of Glinnk Ireland".

    Glinnk is as best I can make out from the handwriting.  My map shows
    two place names of Glinsk in Galway, at Ballymoe and at Carna.  This
    could be it, but does anybody know of a Ballinkill?  The only one I
    find is Ballinakill in Laois.
    

		I've only found this note, hope this helps.

		Ballinakill rang a bell, re Connemara. As I was 
	tidying my office prior to leaving Digital, (`DEC' is not 
	PC anymore, apparently !), I found an AVIS map of Ireland.
	Lo and behold, there is a Ballinakill Harbour marked - it 
	is an inlet more or less between Cleggan and Renvyle, north 
	Connemara, 15 miles north-west of Glinsk (Carna).


						Sl�inte,
							Brendan.