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Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1632
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752.0. "Carrickfergus - know the words ?" by ULYSSE::COADY () Thu May 03 1990 11:56

Folks,

A request from Valbonne in France  .........

Anyone out there know the words to   "Carrickfergus" , and also if anyone
knows the history behind the song.

Joan Baez recently sung it on French TV and said it was the saddest song she
has ever heard ... seemingly Van Morrison taught her the words recently

A lot of locals have been asking me about it and though I have heard the
song a few times, I do not know the words or the story behind it.

So I'd appreciate any help.

Maybe Bob McQ could rattle of a verse or two !

GC
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752.1Guesstimate...USEM::MCQUEENEYTexas bound!Thu May 03 1990 12:4613
    I only remember the first verse from (dim) memory...
    
    I wish I was in Carrickfergus,
    only for nights in Ballygrand.
    I would swim over the deepest ocean
    only for nights in Ballygrand.
    
    I'll do some diggin' in the McQueeney library to see if I can
    find the lyrics.  Will post as soon as I find 'em.
    
    
    McQ
    
752.2part twoFORTY2::DONOVANThu May 03 1990 13:5822
	Hello Gerry, here are some of the rest of the words, from my 
    	unreliable memory. There are many recorded versions, the one that
    	sticks in my is the one by Luke Kelly.
	
	John
		
	But the sea is wide, and I can't swim over
	And neither have I the wings to fly
	I wish I had me a handsome boatman
	To ferry me over, my love and I.
	
	Now in Kilkenny it is recorded
	On marble stone there as black as ink
	With gold and silver <de dum de dum de dum>
	But I'll say no more now till I get a drink
	
	For I'm drunk today, and I'm seldom sober
	A handsome rover from town to town
	Oh but I'm sick now, my days are numbered
	Come all you young men and lay me down
    
752.3More fuel for the fire ....HILL16::BURNSA fool and his money are some PartyThu May 03 1990 14:3417
    
    
    
    
    
    

    	

}	With gold and silver <de dum de dum de dum>	<I would support her>
}	But I'll say no more now till I get a drink
	        <sing>



    
752.4Great song, Baez sings it wellRUTILE::AUNGIERRen� Aungier, Site Telecoms Manager, DTN 885-6901, @FYOFri May 04 1990 05:005
    It is a sad song but I like it. A guy in work has the tape of Joan
    Baez and when I heard the song I almost went crazy, she sings it
    very well, we played it about 30 times.
    
    Ren�
752.5And when you put them all together they spell I R E L A N D HILL16::BURNSA fool and his money are some PartyFri May 04 1990 08:3942
    
    
    
    
    
    	I wish I was in Carrickfergus,
    	only for nights in Ballygrand.
    	I would swim over the deepest ocean
    	THE DEEPEST OCEAN, FOR MY LOVE TO FIND.
    

	But the sea is wide, and I can't swim over
	And neither have I the wings to fly
	I wish I had me a handsome boatman
	To ferry me over, my love and I.
	

	MY CHILDHOOD DAYS BRING BACK SAD REFLECTIONS 
	OF HAPPY TIMES I SPENT SO LONG AGO
	MY BOYHOOD FRIENDS AND MY OWN REFLECTIONS
	HAVE ALL PASSED ON NOW LIKE THE MELTING SNOW
	
	BUT I'LL SPEND MY DAYS IN ENDLESS ROAMING
	SOFT IS THE GRASS, MY BED IF FREE
	AH, TO BE BACK NOW IN CARRICKFERGUS
	ON THAT LONG ROAD DOWN TO THE SEA


        Now in Kilkenny it is recorded
	On marble stone there, as black as ink
	With gold and silver , I WOULD SUPPORT HER
	But I'll SING no more now till I get a drink

	For I'm drunk today, and I'm seldom sober
	A handsome rover from town to town
	Oh but I'm sick now, my days are numbered
	Come all you young men and lay me down
    


    
752.6merciULYSSE::COADYFri May 04 1990 09:0614
    
    Ok, thanks Kev/Bob, looks like I owe a few pints in the Boston area in
    June.
    
    John - I'll catch you in REO on my next trip.
    
    Anyone any idea on the story behind it - I was told that it was a guy
    from Northern Ireland ( Norn Iron ), who went to Scotland as a Potato
    picker and never returned.  In this song  (poem) he was thinking about
    his life and love back home in Carrickfergus.
    
    Sounds possible - anyone any other idea ?
    
    
752.7PENUTS::KSULLIVANFri May 04 1990 10:355
    His name wouldn't happen to have been Burns, would it, whose decendants
    went on to work for the S.P.S. (Scottish Postal Services). By all
    accounts, his grief expressed in the poem was only the tip of the
    iceberg. 
     
752.8Scottish/New Hampshire connectionULYSSE::COADYFri May 04 1990 10:4613
    
    No,  I dinna kin that Rabbie Burns and the said Burns from 'Live free
    or die' state are connected. 
    
    But then if one saw Kev in a kilt,  maybe there is a connection.
    
    I know they are both poets, and indeed legends in this life :+).
    
    Maybe John Donovan would know if 'Rabbie Burns' had Irish ancestors ?
    
    GC
    
    
752.9exitULYSSE::COADYFri May 04 1990 10:5715
    
    re .4
    
    Rene,
    
    Has Joan Baez officially recorded it and if so what tape is it on ?.
    
    If its not an official recording, any idea on how a copy could reach
    Valbonne -  maybe a rare bottle of beverage in France like 
    
    
    
    a six pack of rare 1990 Guinness ?
    
GC
752.10He's not a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad guy HILL16::BURNSA fool and his money are some PartyFri May 04 1990 11:1411
    
    
    
    
    		Leave "Cuz'n Rabbie" out of this !!!!    :-)
    
    
    
    
    	Clan Burns
    
752.11FORTY2::DONOVANFri May 04 1990 12:4819
	Re .6: That's a common theme; as recently as the late 1940s people
	were brought over from Antrim as cheap seasonal labour to work picking
	potatoes in South West Scotland. Since the second world war, the
	decline in the need for farm workers has seen a lot of the poorer
	people from rural N.I. move across the water to Scotland; In my own
	family most of those still in Ireland are over sixty, with the
	others all moved away to Glasgow or Coatbridge; a lot of it has to
	do with having big families on limited land I suppose.

	On that particular song, he must have been pretty unimaginative if he
	couldn't scrounge the fare from Stranraer to Larne ! Great song
	though; the air to which it is sung is a beautiful tune.
		
	As for Rabbie, well let's just say that Scotland's greatest poet is
	Ewan McColl, no contest ! Burns is one of those names like MacNeill
	or Gallagher that's common to both countries.
		
	John
752.12Ewan Who ?? :-)HILL16::BURNSA fool and his money are some PartyFri May 04 1990 14:238
    
    
    	I always thought Scotland's greatest poet was Billy Connolly !! :-)
    
    
    
    	keVin Byrnes
    
752.13Is there three o's in noo???PENUTS::KSULLIVANFri May 04 1990 14:345
    Hey keVin, I hope you're not going to take a remark like that lying
    down. Where's your pride? Clans have gone to war for less. Outrageous!!!!
    Burns....common, out wi yer sword laddie and have at him, a duel to the
    death....it's the way these things are done.....din ye noo? 
    
752.14As I recall...TRIBES::CREANNiepriklauskoma Lietuva!Mon May 07 1990 04:446
    More info on Carrickfergus.
    
    The song is made up of English-language verses embedded in a much
    longer poem in Irish called "A bh� bean-uasail" ("There is a Lady")
    by the Cavan poet Cathal Bu� Mac Giolla Gunna (c 1750).
    
752.15I will tape it for u and send itRUTILE::AUNGIERRen� Aungier, Site Telecoms Manager, DTN 885-6901, @FYOThu May 10 1990 04:319
    < Note 752.9 by ULYSSE::COADY >
                                   -< exit >-
    
    I will find out what the name of her latest album is and normally
    I buy all of Joan Baez's stuff. She officially recorded it.
    
    I will tape it from the CD and send it to you soon.
    
    Ren�
752.16COOKIE::WITHERSSlipping into madness is good for the sake of comparisonMon May 21 1990 18:522
Its on Joan Baez' _Speaking_of_Dreams_ and also the Chieftans album with Van
Morrison.
752.17leaves on the trackCHEST::DUGGANDo what !Fri Jun 29 1990 13:292
    There's another version by Bryan Ferry (from the album "the bride
    stripped bare" ?).  Sounds good too.