Conference tallis::celt

Dermot:

	A number of years ago I saw a television special about the 
Easter Rising.  It was produced by RTE and it may have been in black and white,
I say that because I can't remember if I saw it on my old BW TV set or
that is was a BW film.

	Do you know of a video copy of this, or any other documentary about
the Easter Rising?

Pat

    Pat,
    
    Afew years ago, you mean 1966, I believe, it was great. This was
    the 50th anniversary of the 1916 Rising, it was in black and white.
    
    Some of the secenes were live coverage and other were played by
    actors Dermot O'Sulllivan, the actor, played the part of Pearse.
    
    I would love to get a copy of this cassette if it is available
    especially to show my children. I was quite young then and remember
    it vaguely.
    
    Please anybody out there in Dublin, try and find out from RTE what
    it was called and see if they have cassettes for sale with it.
    
    "As down the glen one Easter Morn"
    "to a city fair rode I"
    "As armoured lines of marching men"
    "walked out through the foggy dew"
    
    One of the Easter 1916 songs.
    
    
    Sl�n agus beannacht.
    
    Ren�

Ren�:

	My God, twenty four years ago!!  How time flies when you're
having fun.

	
Pat

    
    Hello Folks,
    
    There are a lot of relics of the 1916 rising around, but there seems
    to be an air of who cares about 1916 in Ireland currently from articles
    in the press and interviews i've heard on radio. Some comments indicated
    that we would be better if we had stayed under British rule :>)
    Rebuplicanism seems to be viewed as a dirty word in Ireland currently.
    
    There is currently a movement in Ireland to revive the Easter Rising
    spirit, which Paul Hill of the Guildford 4 has got involved in.
    
    Should we forget the past??
    
    regards peter     
    

    
    
    re: .4
    
    Peter:
    
    The answer to your question should be .......   NEVER !!!!
    
    
    
    
    
    
    	keVin

    Re: .5          "Man"??????????
    
    Re: .4   Is it republicanism or the inane violence that people are sick
             of? Have the two not become increasingly synonymous? Is the 
             death, maiming, broken families, hatred etc., that's to be the 
             childrens' legacy, a fire needing further fueling by more flag
             waving and reliving of past violences. I do not suggest that 
             these events be forgotten, it's our history, but why not 
             celebrate all that's positive about Ireland, the music,
             litriture, theatre, art etc.?  I know it's cliched, but the
             country doesn't need any more people dying for it.  Has Pearse's
             poetry not been replaced, just a little, by the lust for power
             and monetary well being?
    
    
                    

    rE: .4
    
    I believe that the Easter Rising of 1916 should never be forgotten,
    it is possible to remember it without using the word republicism.
    
    Pearse and the brave men that followed him that Easter MUST NEVER
    be forgotten. They started what was to be the march to independence.
    They GAVE knowing that their lives would be forfeit, their generosity
    must NEVER BE forgotten, their love for everything that is Irish
    must not be forgotten.
    
    Pearse read a oration at the grave of the fenian O'Donnavan Rossa
    which goes somewhat like this, I will bring the book in this afternoon
    and quote it exactly
    
    "Ireland must be free, not free only but Gaelic not Gaelic only
    but free".
    
    To forget this would be to ignore our history, it would be to forget
    these great men who GAVE so we could be free. Read the proclamation
    of 1916 and you will see how enlightened these men were and how
    they claimed the freedom of Ireland for all its people not just
    for a limited part of the population.
    
    Read some of the poetry of Pearse and you will feel that love and
    at the same time sorrow. The sorrow comes from the way Pearse saw
    the population, enslaved, despondent, not will for freedom. He knew
    that something had to be done then or it would never happen. He
    awakened by his death the spirit of every Irishman, the spirit of
    freedom, the will to sort from bondage.
        
    Long may their memories live on.
    
    Ren�
    

		 POBLACHT NA H-EIREANN
	

	     The Provisional Government of the
	             IRISH REPUBLIC

		To the People of Ireland


IRISHMEN and IRISHWOMEN: In the name of God and of the dead generations
from which she receives her old tradition of nationhood, throug us, summons
her children to her flag and strikes for her freedom.

    Having organised and trained her manhood through her secret revolutionary
organisations, the Irish Republican Brotherhood, and through her open military
organisations, the Irish Volunteers and the Irish Citizen Army, having
patiently perfected her discipline, having resolutely waited for the right
moment to reveal itself, she now seizes that moment, and, supported by her
exiled children in America and by gallant allies in Europe, but relying
in the first on her strength, she strikes in full confidence of victory.

    We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland,
and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be soverign and
indefeasible. The long usurpation of that right by a foreign people and
government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished
except by the destruction of the Irish people. In every generation the Irish
people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty; six
times during the past three hundred years they have asserted it in arms.
Standing on the fundamental right and again asserting it in arms on the
face of the world, we herby proclaim the Irish Republic as a Sovereign
Independent State, and we pledge out lives and the lives of our
comrades-in-arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and of it
exaltation among the nations.
    
    The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance
of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The tepublic guarantees religious and
civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportiunities to all its citizens,
and declares its resolve to persue the happiness and prosperity of the whole
nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally,
and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government,
which have divided a minorit from the majority in the past.
    
    Until our arms have brought the opportune moment for the establishment
of a permanent National Government, representative of the whole people of
Ireland and elected by the suffrages of all her men and women, the Provisional
Government, herby constituted, will administer the civil and military affairs
of the Republic in trust of the people.
    
    We place the cause of the Irish Republic under the protection of the
Most High God, Whose blessing we invoke upon our arms, and we pray that
no one who serves that cause will dishonour it by cowardice, inhumanity,
or rapine. In this supreme hour the Irish nation must, by its valour and
discipline and by the readiness of its children to sacrifice themselves
for the common good, prove itself worthy of the august destiny to which
it is called.
	      Signed on Behalf of the Provisional Government,
			  THOMAS J. CLARKE
      SEAN MacDIARMADA                   THOMAS MacDONAGH
       P. H. PEARSE                       EAMONN CEANNT
	 JAMES CONNOLLY                    JOSEPH PLUNKETT


Rene (RUTILE::AUNGIER)

    I don't think the Easter Rising should be forgotten, for better or for
    worse it was the start of the militant republicanism in 20th century
    Ireland. The leaders were very brave men who had a passionate belief
    in the right of self determination for the Irish People. 

    However, if we reflect on exactly what happened we might get a very 
    different picture of what Ireland would be like today if the rising
    had never happened. Remember that the vast majority of people in
    Ireland at the time supported Home Rule NOT Republicanism. Most would
    have been quite happy to have seen the Land/Govt reform process 
    continue, as advocated by leaders such as Parnell and Redmond.

    Were it not for the execution of the leaders of the rising, and the
    subsequent success of SINN FEIN (mainly because of its anti-conscription
    platform) in the 1918 General Election, things might be very different 
    in Ireland today. Would Ireland be united now ? Could we be any worse
    off anyway ! Gaelic culture hasn't exactly blossomed either since 
    independence.

    Given the direction that the EC is headed today, member States will 
    eventually have to give up most aspects of their national sovereignty.
    Sucessive Irish Governments have been strongly in favor of the idea of
    closer European Integration ... an admission of failure perhaps ? 

    Des.
    
        

    Leaprechauns are unique.
    
    The legacy of the rising is the revolt against slavishness.
    
    Without it we would have had a vanilla flavoured Irishness, a cultural
    mish-mash of pseudo Irishness, trotted out a a sub-set of a greater
    ethos.
    
    In fact the Celtic ethos is the greater and more potent when harnessed.
    Sadly this ethos is neiter understood nor respected by the snide,
    and glic revisionsits that trot the Irish political stage.  Poor
    shallow nationalists who would rather curry favour in obsequious
    forelock tipping apologetic mouthings.  
    
    The Celtic ethos of Pearse was not genuine nor was it complete it
    was to some extents a romanticised imaginative reconstruction.
    
    Events like the rod-licence dispute over the "freedom" to fish the
    "unownable" waters of the western lakes are more akin to the Celtic
    ethos than most.
    
    The culture of the 1990's bears too much the resemblance of a confined
    and restricted tv-lifestyle marketing varitey.  The ultimate freedom
    is in the unfettered scope of the inner soul to give expression
    to its understanding of the value of all things and thoughts.  
    We suffer too much from a pollution of ideas and values and I do
    not mean materialism alone.  We are not pure.  Pearse and some of
    his cohorts at least strove for a purity. To-day that could be labelled
    "the pursuit of excellence" or new age thinking or some such.
    
    Who amongst our leaders or aspiring leaders of this age would have
    the "bottle" to undertake their work.?????  I cringe when I consider
    the calibre of the leadership that purports to follow them as the
    leaders of the only sovereign Celtic nation to survive.  I cringe
    even more when I consider that we have the leadership we deserve.
    
    Snake breaks out now and then.
    

    
    There's many a Manxman would take issue with the notion that
    there is only one surviving Celtic "sovereign" nation ;-)