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Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1632
Total number of notes:20523

689.0. "Proposal for Scotland conference" by MARVIN::COCKBURN (Promoting International Unity) Thu Dec 07 1989 07:08

I posted this in the Great_Britain conference a few days ago and I'm posting
it here too for additional comment. A quick look through this conference 
(and the introductory notice) reveals a very large Irish bias to this
conference. You could almost rename this the Irish conference ! The Scots
suffer(?) from being both Celts (appropriate to here) and British (appropriate
to the GB) conference. However, this conference is predominately Irish and
the GB conference has a large English bias (well England does have 10x
the Scottish population, and it is Digitals 'power base' in the UK). 

Scotland is an important base for Digital, and with the chip fabrication
plant being built just outside Edinburgh, a lot of people may need info
on Scotland if they are thinking of relocating there soon. It would also seem
sensible to provide one place where people can look for information on
things Scottish rather than the FOUR places at present (this conference,
the GB conference, the UK_Digital conf and the Ayr conf). There is in
fact a separate company (Digital Scotland) operating there which has
little or no representation in any of these conferences.

what do people think of this idea and what do they think the scope of
the conference should be? 

cheers,
	Craig.

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ENET51::COCKBURN "promoting international unity"   21 lines  Wed  6-Dec-89 13:46
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Just a thought:

  There seem to be two conferences broadly related to Scottish things - 
  namely this conference (with a fairly English bias) and the Celtic
  culture conference (with a large Irish bias). Not really wanting to 
  ask the same question in two conferences, I was wondering whether it
  would be an idea to establish a SCOTLAND conference. Then people
  would only need to ask one question there instead of posting it in
  two conferences. This conference could also cover topics related to
  working for Digital Scotland (instead of asking these questions in
  the Digital_UK conference or Ayr conference)

  Whilst this may be seen as some as an act of 'electronic devolution'
  it's my view that it would help promote the growing importance of
  Digital in Scotland as well as reflecting the actual division which
  Digital itself has chosen by having a Digital (Scotland) distinct
  from Digital (UK)

  comments?

		Craig.
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689.1PENUTS::KSULLIVANThu Dec 07 1989 09:431
    "Here's your hat, must you leave so soon?"
689.2I agreeUBEAUT::BOYLETony Boyle, Melbourne, AustraliaThu Dec 07 1989 19:5714
RE .0

	I think it's quite a good idea. Not because I'd like to see a Scotish
	conference but because I'd like to see an Irish conference 100% 
	devoted to matters Irish. There are times that I would like to ask
	something about Ireland but it's nothing to do with CELTIC culture
	and therefore of little value to people who read these notes for
	cultural reasons only, so I don't enter anything.

	If we had an Irish conference, my problem would be solved. !


	Tony.
689.3SALEM::CULBERTFree Michael CulbertThu Dec 07 1989 23:2033
    
    
    Murphy,
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
      Go to your room.....  8*)
    
    paddy
    
689.4LUTECE::MAILLARDDenis MAILLARDFri Dec 08 1989 04:258
    Re .2: Tony, I disagree with your point. If you want a 100% Irish
    conference, you must create one. If a Scotish one is created, this one
    would still have to deal with Welsh, Cornish, Manx, Breton and Galician
    topics as well as the Irish ones. What's more, there are Celtic topics
    which are not specifically related to one Celtic area in particular,
    where would you put them if this file turned 100% Irish?
    The Irish are not the only Celts around, just the noisiest... ;^)
    			Denis.
689.5No need for another notesfileFORTY2::DONOVANFri Dec 08 1989 06:4815
	I agree with Denis, keep one notesfile where we can all stick
	together and moan about the English ! 
	
	I would love to learn more about the non-Irish Celtic cultures,
	though I suspect Digital doesn't have a very big population of
	Cape Breton Islanders or Manx ! The only problem I can think of
	is that to some Scots the word 'Celtic' is an anathema (or an
	enema or quite possibly anemone) in which case we're better off
	without them.
	
	Yours in the spirit of pan-Celticism, pan-tomimicism and
	pan-demonium.
	
	John (a Glaswegian-Irish person living in England)
689.6I agree with Craig!VAXWRK::BEATONFri Dec 08 1989 13:164
    Well Craig it appears we are in the minority.  I do however, agree with
    you.  I think a Scots Notesfile is a great idea!
    
    Martin
689.7MARVIN::COCKBURNPromoting International UnityFri Dec 08 1989 13:4122
 Well, I seem to have some support here and some support in the GB 
 conference. The answer seems to be, let's try it and see if it works!

 I'll investigate next week whether the system managers object to another
 conference on Marvin, and hopefully it'll be on line shortly after that
 if I get the go ahead from them. 

 One criticism which has been levelled is that some people would not be
 sufficiently interested in a Scotland conference , even though they are
 interested in Celtic or GB conferences as these have a wider scope. "I 
 don't want any more conferences in my notebook" has been one comment. 
 Well, such is life. I guess a Scotland conference is not likely to attract
 quite so many readers as a GB or celtic conference but so long as there's
 enough to keep it going, it'll suceed. Adding an extra conference when you
 perhaps have 30 or so already is not such a big deal when there's plenty
 tools going to help you monitor conferences automatically and/or by batch
 (mail_vaxnotes, AVN etc). He who proposes, does in this company!

	thanks for the replies!

		Craig.
689.8here goes....MARVIN::COCKBURNPromoting International UnityWed Dec 13 1989 06:4840
Scotland conference is now accesible on Marvin::Scotland
press <kp7> or <select> to add it to your notebook.

	Craig.

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Note 1.0                          Introduction                           1 reply
MARVIN::COCKBURN "Promoting International Unity"   29 lines  Tue 12-Dec-89 19:04
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  Welcome to the Scotland conference!

  This conference was created to provide a place for people to access 
  information on Scotland and/or Scottish things. Prior to setting up
  this conference, Scottish topics were split between the Great_Britain
  notesfile, the Celtic notesfile, and also the Ayr conference!
 
  To create a common place for such information, and also in view of
  Digitals increasingly important role in Scotland (Ayr, South Queensferry)
  it seemed sensible to have a common place for all this information.

  Relevant topics of discussion could include:

  Travel in Scotland (where to stay, what to do, things to see, etc)
  Digital sites in Scotland (both employees and Digital Scotland itself)
  Questions on Scottish things (languages, tartans, whisky, haggis etc)
  Job vacancies in Scotland  - is there any? :-)
  Scottish politics
  Scottish news 
  Music from Scotland
  Culture (Glasgow in 1990!)
  Good pubs!
  Sport (hillwalking, skiing, fishing, golf, scenic cycling routes etc)

  Promotion of the Scots and Gaelic languages is welcomed, but try not to
  make the conference too cliquey - please supply a translation if possible!

	sl�inte (cheers)
				Craig.
689.9Cymru am BythFSADMN::REESEBack to life&#039;s an ice cream cone..Mon Jan 15 1990 13:386
    Denis -
    
    Thank you, I couldn't have said it better myself :-) :-)
    
    Karen