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Conference tallis::celt

Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1632
Total number of notes:20523

551.0. "Irish Uncial alphabet" by TRIBES::CREAN (Per ardua ad anticlimax) Thu Apr 13 1989 06:39

    Has anybody got, or has anybody seen anywhere, a terminal
    or printer implementation of the old Irish alphabet?
    (This is the one where aspiration is represented by a dot
    over the letter rather than by a 'h' after it). If you have
    any information either put it in a reply or else send me mail.
    
                    JOHN CREAN @GAO

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551.1LEESIDE LYRESLSTRN::MANNINGFri Apr 14 1989 13:5812
    This is a bit "way out," but when I worked in the typewriter repair
    business many, many years ago in Cork we developed special Irish type
    bars for machines used in local schools. The "sineadh" and "seimhu"
    character were "no space" keys so that no carriage movement occurred
    when they were struck. I suspect that such equipment has been relegated
    to the status of museum pieces, but it seems logical that the schools
    would have the same needs for Irish special keyboards to-day, although
    the "New Spelling" has outmoded the pure Irish script. I seem to
    remember that we had such equipment in the Crawford Tech. and in the
    School of Commerce in Cork.
    
    
551.2exitTRIBES::CREANPer ardua ad anticlimaxSat Apr 15 1989 07:3410
    Thanks for the contribution. The reason for the query is that
    the International Standards Organisation (ISO) is at present
    developing a new 32-bit character-code to replace ASCII as the
    world interchange standard.
    I have obtained a pre-release copy of this standard (ISO 10646)
    and found it does not contain the Uncial alphabet, though it
    does contain Maldivian, Lao, Inniut, Cree etc. The DEC rep on
    the steering committee has asked me to supply information about
    any previous implementations.
    
551.3Alaphabet >< CharacterVOGON::WALTERSMon Apr 17 1989 10:3933
    Re 551.2
    
    Would that be the note in the DELNI::WORLDWIDE notesfile?
    
    If so, I think the standard refers to computer implementations
    of alphabets that are still in common use.  Is Uncial still
    in use in books etc?  In which case you may find an implementation
    on an electronic typesetting system which could help to support
    your proposal to have it adopted into ISO 10646.
    
    Incidentally, "Alphabet" does not necessarily equate to character set
    but characters and diacriticals - you would have to ensure that
    you documented any ligatures or accented characters used in Uncial.

    This is really "language support" rather than alphabet support.
    For example, the Digital multinational character set supports
    the French language allowing you to use "," and "c" to create
    the composed character �.  However, it does not allow you to
    compose the Welsh accented character "w-circumflex".
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Colin

    (PS - I know of one implementation of Welsh in an operating system on a
    now defunct microcomputer called the 'Dragon'. And I have contacted the
    Welsh office to ensure that they are pressing for Welsh language
    support in ISO 10646, though they do not appear to know who is
    responsible......  Good luck with Uncial.) 
    
    
    
551.4ISO standardTRIBES::CREANPer ardua ad anticlimaxMon Apr 17 1989 11:0613
    The ISO standard will cover Alphabets, Syllabaries (like Cree
    and Japanese), Symbolic systems (Chinese) and Mathematical
    symbols, APL symbols, various graphic nice-things and anything
    else anybody can think of.
    The Uncial alphabet has largely been replaced by the Roman
    alphabet but it is still in use. It is probably due for a
    revival because it requires about 10% less key strokes and
    takes up less space.
    Yes, the topic was in DELNI::WORLDWIDE, that's where I first
    came across it. These is a restricted conference on the
    standard also. To gain access contact Martin Lasko at
    HANNAH::LASKO.