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Conference tallis::celt

Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1632
Total number of notes:20523

431.0. "Relocation from Puerto Rico to Clonmel" by PUERTO::ALVAREZ (Miguel,from sunny Puerto Rico) Fri Sep 02 1988 17:27

    	Seems like I'll be temporarily relocated to Clonmel (KLO) for 
    six to eight months. This is not official yet, but the way things 
    are moving it seems very likely. Since I'll be taking my family with me,
    (wife and two kids), there are some issues and additional
    considerations that come to mind. 
    	This is quite a change for us (first language is Spanish
    and the weather here is warm all year long), but I see it in
    a very possitive light, career wise, and the opportunity to
    meet another very interesting culture and place.
    	As soon as this becomes official, I'll certainly use all
    the resources and help I can get from DEC during the transition,
    but in the meanwhile, my wife has started asking me some questions
    I've not been able to answer. BTW, I've never been to Ireland, in
    fact outside the U.S..
    	So, I'm asking the readers of this conference for some help
    and their experience. I could really write down a long list of
    questions, but basically I'll just mention the most important
    to me.
    
    	1. If you have been temporarily relocated from U.S. to Ireland, 
    	what was your experience ? How did expenses, salary were handled ?
    
    	2. Housing - how difficult, what's available around KLO ?
    
    	3. Schools - Are there any Spanish speaking schools in the area ?
    	   My kids are 8 and 5 years, the 8 year old is fully bilingual
    	so I'm not much concerned, but the 5 year old is just starting
        to learn. My plans would be to relocate in November, maybe my wife
    	would wait for the school semester to finish in December and
        then move with me. What about public vs. private schools ?
    	How different is the curriculum from the U.S. ? I'm not concerned
    	about quality, there must surely be some fine schools there,
    	but rather in the courses given in kinder and third grades.
    
	Thanks for your help.
    
    Miguel A. Alvarez
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431.1Bueno.GAOV08::MHUGHESSat Sep 03 1988 17:0249
    Leaprechauns say hello.
    
    Well Miguel, there should be a big difference for you all when you
    come to Ireland.
    
    I am from Galway and I work in Ballybrit, but I spent almost 4 years
    in Clonmel. To you those two place might look the same but I assure
    you there are differences.
    
    Weather :  It never gets hotter than 70 F here in Summertime, and
    we have had a terrible summer here, damp and rarely above that low
    60's, but when the sun shines here, its the nicest part of the planet.
    Winters are colder than P.R., but rarely ever gets too cold. 26F
    is about the worst. Not much snow here ever. Plenty of damp rain.
    It keeps the place green looking.
    Our Summer days are very long (18 hours daylight in mid June), and
    our winter days are the opposite.
    
    I do not think that there is a spanish speaking school in the vicinity
    of Clonmel, but 5 year olds learn the lingo very fast.
    
    Practically all schools are publicly funded. You may have to buy
    a school uniform and of course the school books (your 8 year old
    should cost you less than $100 for the entire year.).
    Our national school system ( 4years - 11/12 years) is very good.
    In fact one of the best public system on the planet. Teachers are
    like everywhere, but I would say that on balance the good ones are
    in the majority.
    8 year olds would learn basic Maths,numeracy, concepts, English,
    religion (catholic) but you could work out a special arrangement
    if you wanted in this area, civics, reading (most 8 year olds here
    are proficient readers), singing, and Gaelic (again your
    children would have an arrangement), writing, drawing, possibly
    some history + geography.
    
    Housing is not too difficult in Clonmel. When I left there in 1982
    the prices were at their highest, in real terms, I'm no positive
    about prices now, but a standard semi-detached house (3 beds)in town is
    probarbly about �30,000  Irish pounds ( 1 �IR =  $1.45 approx).
    
    The natives are very friendly, but they won't be too friendly with
    my people (Galway) after the big game to-morrow (Sunday 4th). 
    Clonmel is in Tipperary and they play Galway in the Hurling final.
    Hurling is a part of the culture that you will learn about, as is
    Guinness, but the stuff in Clonmel is not near as good as the Galway
    stuff.
    
    Snake will start the ball rolling.
    
431.2El Gringo says bienvenidoFNYFS::AUNGIEREl Gringo strikes againMon Sep 05 1988 05:2118
    Miguel, los irlandaises estan muy sympaticos, soy irlandais pero mi
    mujer es espanol.

    Para gente que vienen de los paises hispanicos, Irlanda es un pais
    caliente.
    
    The Irish are very warm and friendly. I know many Spanish people
    in Ireland and I used to go every year to the Spanish embassy in
    Dublin to celebrate "St Columbas" day. The weather might not be
    warm but then you cannot have everything.
    
    I doubt there is a Spanish school in Clonmel, you would be lucky
    to find one in Dublin never mind Clonmel. 
    
    You should find most things in Clonmel. 
    
    El Gringo (Soy un gnomo)
    
431.3ThanksPUERTO::ALVAREZMiguel,from sunny Puerto RicoTue Sep 06 1988 10:4315
 Re. .1
    
>    Winters are colder than P.R., but rarely ever gets too cold. 26F
>    is about the worst. Not much snow here ever. Plenty of damp rain.
 
    Many thanks for the information, however my kids have never seen
    snow before, they will be dissapointed :-). I'd would be interested
    in learning Gaelic, is it difficult to learn ?
    
    Re.2
    
    Porque te dicen El Gringo ? En Puerto Rico "gringo" es un "yanquee",
    alguien de Estados Unidos. Are you from U.S.A ?
    
    Miguel A. Alvarez
431.4Es un apodoFNYFS::AUNGIEREl Gringo strikes againTue Sep 06 1988 14:208
    < Note 431.3 by PUERTO::ALVAREZ "Miguel,from sunny Puerto Rico" >
                                  -< Thanks >-
    Miguel, 
    
    No, soy Irlandais. Es un apodo.
    

    El Gringo 
431.5KLO is Ok!CSG::ONEILLIts a LONG way to Tipperary...Fri Sep 16 1988 14:5750
    
    	Hi Miguel, 
    
    		I worked in KLO before coming over to USA ... I know
    a few USA DECcies who spend a year or so in KLO and enjoyed it for
    the most part.
    
    	HOUSING
    
    	In KLO this is REALLY hard to find if you are renting - I assume
    that you are renting if you are only on short term relocation...when
    you move initially you will be staying in a hotel until you find
    someplace to rent.  the quality of rented houses isnt great, but
    you could be lucky.  Im sure personnel will help you, but apart
    from going to the 2 or 3 real estate offices,  reading the local
    weekly newspaper (The Nationalist) is your best bet.
    
    	SCHOOLS
    
    	There are NO spanish schools in Clonmel, for your 5 year old
    there is an EXCELLENT privatly run school on western road that caters
    really well with foreign kids - little ones only - its a tiny 2
    room school so that might help your little one
    
    	OTHER INFO
    
    	Clonmel is a small town, with good shops (nothing like USA
    standards of couse, I dont know about Puerto Rico) the scenery around
    there is marvellous....try to get a house outside the town if your
    wife can drive!  Clonmel has a few nice hotels and restuarants.
     Its surrounded by some mountains so it seems to get lots of rain
    and fog - no snow at least!!   The KLO dec people are really  friendly
    and will help you settle in - ask the people in your group and the
    will help you happily
    
    	If I can give you any other specific info Id be glad to help...
    
    	Salarywise you will be paid from 'home' - the policy is for
    PER DM - expenses - while on temp. relocation...as far as I know.
    
    	oh and if you can select a hotel to stay in when you go there
    first ask for KNOCKLOFTY - its a lovely place, and your kids will
    enjoy it - pool, jacuzzi, excercise rooms, tennis etc etc
    
    	dont worry about the weather and you'll enjoy it!
    
    	Good luck
    
    	Ann
    	
431.6I'm sure I'll like KLO...PUERTO::ALVAREZMiguel,from sunny Puerto RicoFri Sep 16 1988 17:116
    	Ann,
    		Thanks for the information. I'm glad to hear it's a
    small town, I moved to Aguadilla (a really small town), for the
    same reasons. I don't like big cities for living.
    	
    	Miguel A. Alvarez