Conference tallis::celt

    
    Yes a mighty piece of vinyl, indeed!!
    
    Highlight for me is "Ta mo cleamhnas deanta" where Kevin
    Cunniffe sings the original "as Gaeilge" and The Man translates
    in English for the next verse - Great Stuff!!!
    I thought on some of the slower numbers like Carrickfergus that
    Van's bluesy/soul style doesn't quite suit on occasion.
    
    Makes you wonder when you hear the results of the combined force
     of a "left footed" blues singer from East Belfast and a bunch of
    traditional musicians from the South (except Derek Bell who is 
    also from Belfast, of course) what could be achieved through more
    harmony North and South
    
    Mike
    

    
    	Not having heard the whole album, just some tracks on the radio
    I must admit it is yugh. Van the man manages to kill some quite
    respectable folk songs. He was on telly the other night (along with
    Derek Bell on piano) and again managed to kill some songs.
    
    Overall impression, - Boring.
    
    Maurice.

    I'm somewhere in the middle.
    
    I don't think that Van "manages to kill some quite respectable
    folk songs", but I have to agree that his R&Beezy voice doesn't
    quite match the feel of the songs.
    
    I find the album enjoyable to listen to, but I don't expect to
    listen to it very often.
    
    re:.1
    
    Regarding the geo-political mixture, it's not like this hasn't
    happened before. Has it been that long since Tommy Makem was with
    the Clancy Brothers?
    
    --- jerry

    There was an interview with Paddy Moloney of the Chieftains on Saturday
    Night Folk, a regular program on RTE Radio 1 and he said that we
    will see a lot more of the Morrison/Chieftains marriage.  They have
    been touring Britain with Van doing his thing followed by the
    Chieftains and then the combination to "fantastic receptions". 
    Paddy also said they got a lot of stick from purists/begrudgers
    when they started out first and it's no different now that they've
    done something unorthodox.  
    
    -Dermot

    
    
    	re: .4	"Be Jaysus I hope not"   !!!!
    
    	Sorry Dermot, but I think this is the �SECOND WORST I have ever heard...
    	"Van the Man" ruined most/all of the traditional songs, and
    	destroyed "Carrickfergus". Even without the singing, I do not
    	think that the Chieftains were "up to par" either.             
                                                  
    	While listening to the tape, the common thought that crossed
    	my mind was one with a cat having its tail pinched under the rocker
    	of an old rocking chair ... :-)   OWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOo
    
    	You can always tell an Irishman, but you can't tell him much
    
    	:-)
    						keVin
    
    
    
    	� Are you still playing the Tin Whistle ?	;-)
    
        
    
    
    	

    
    OK now I'll add my two cents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    I've got to second keVin's point.  The tape was not what I consider
    good listening music.  I could see "van" teaming up with the POUGES
    the screaming he calls singing clearly lacks any sort of character.
    
    
        But then what the hell do I know......I'm still tring to learn
    how to play the bodhran.......
                           
    paddy

    Kevin,
    
    Surely, you mean "Dermot, are you still on the fiddle"
    

    Ah sure, would you doubt them?  The purists and begrudgers / Burns
    and Culbert. If it isn't Christy singing Lisdo....Lisdoo....Lisdoonvarna,
    ...then it just isn't Irish music. It would give you a bad turn listening
    to them.
    This is a Van Morrison album, with the Chieftains playing backing
    (which I consider to be a great improvement for them), NOT a
    Chieftains album with Van singing.
    If you are not a Van Morrison music lover (THEM, TUPELO HONEY, MOONDANCE,
    ASTRAL WEEKS, CELTIC RAY..ETC....ETC...ETC...), then it would be
    difficult to appreciate what he's doing here. He's just interpeting some
    Northern Irish (mostly) songs in his own unique style. He's never given
    a rattling damn about the critics / knockers in the past, he's not
    likely to start now. I guarantee you it was not his intention to
    make a good ol' sing-along ".....and I woke in California...." record,
    that many people who bought it, seemed to have expected. Every album
    he's made in the last 20-25 years has been a GEM. One of Ireland's
    truely great gifts to the world.                                    
    
    As regards the continuing "marriage", no, I doubt it. Van never
    hangs around in the same area for too long, there is always
    something new to be done. This was probably just a pet project. Paddy
    Moloney might like to think so, but then he would!!!!  
    (MATT MOLLOY COME BACK, ALL IS FORGIVEN)!!
    
    And of course it was inevitable that the poor ol' Pogues would have
    to be dragged into all this. Again, a lack of understanding of what
    they're all about, (But I'll save that rave for another day).
                                              
    Suggestion: Listen to the album for what it was meant to be, not as you 
    expected / wanted it to be???  And if you don't like Van Morrison......
    ......OCHON.......OCHON........  It's your loss!!
    
    P.S.  Kevin, is this what you meant when you suggested I write something
    to "stir it up" a bit?!?!?
    
    Anyway, you all should be listening to BLUEGRASS.....when in Rome.....
    
                       -WINTERHAWK FOREVER-                                                                        
                       
        YODELEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
    
                                                                 
    

    
    
    re: .8
    
    
    HEY KSULLIVAN: You missed the last great "International Sing-A-Long"
                   Just ask Jerry Larkin or your friend Artie .... :-)

                                                            
                
    		We sang some "God-All-Mighty Powerful" tunes after the
    		Pogues Concert that night !!
    		
                                                                   
    			
    	re: .7  Joe: I love it when /Dermot plays : "Far Far Away" ....
    		     (The further the better)  :-)
    
    
    	
                               
    
    	keVin
    

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    keVin;
    
         Who is this stranger ksullivan??????
    
         Could he be that world renown music critic that has put the
    "MEADOW LOUNGE" of Chelmsford Mass. on the top ten list of places
    to visit while in the area.
    
         I think he has SLAM DANCED once to often.  He clearly has knocked
    a few brain cells loose.  
    
         Isn't this ksullivan also the one that has Bing Crosby listed
    as a top ten Irish Ballad singer.  
                                       
         The man has obviously gone off the deep end.  
    
         paddy

    Ah KSULLIVAN, friend and noble enricher of the noble name, I thank
    ye kindly for putting these two brats in their place.  When you
    next see Paddy tell him that hitting his head with the bodhr�n
    is not the way it's done.  But hitting it on Burns' head might be
    the only way to get a melodious sound out of the West Clare railwayman.
    
    As for you Joe Farrell, one of these years I'll come up with a
    brilliant biting response to your barbs!
    
    -Dermot 

    Diarmaid,
             Nil a lan gailge agam ach bainaigh me trial as, KEVIN BURNS
    agus PADDY CULBERT a chur tri na cheile. (Na bach le mo gailge!!!)
    Nil faic ar bith idir cluiseanna PADDY CULBERT agus nil KEVIN BURNS
    nios fearr. (hahahahahaha)!!!!
    La amhain bhi siad ag dul sios an bothair agus chuir KEVIN BURNS
    ceist ar PADDY CULBERT, cad e an difriocht idir an fear agus an
    bean???  Ta se go h-iontach go bhfuil an freagra seo ag "inquiring
    minds" (hahahahahaha)!!! 
    Bhi PADDY CULBERT stumped, ceann sa speir, agus puzzlement ar
    a aghadh......bhi an t-am ag imeacht ur tar eis ur..........
    Tabhair hint dom KEVIN BURNS, arsa PADDY CULBERT (hahahahaha)!!!!
    "Shampoo" arsa KEVIN BURNS.
    Anois bhi PADDY CULBERT in san conundrum an-mhor. Bhi KEVIN BURNS
    ag gaire tri na fiachla.
    Mmmmmmmm!!!! arsa PADDY CULBERT,                               
    Titertiter arsa KEVIN BURNS.
    Aha ta se agam, arsa PADDY CULBERT.......no..nnnoo...nil se agam.
    Aaaaa PADDY CULBERT mo cara, arsa KEVIN BURNS, nach ait an rud e?
    Ta an domhain go leir an-ait ar fad, arsa PADDY CULBERT. 
    Ni raibh focal nios fior agat riamh, arsa KEVIN BURNS.
    Cad e an freagra KEVIN BURNS?
    Nil fhios agam PADDY CULBERT, nil fhios agam!!!!! (hahahaha). 
    
    Buail siad sios an bothair ag caint 's ag gaire faoin tribloidi
    an tsaoil, dha carirde KEVIN BURNS agus PADDY CULBERT.
     
    Anois, nuair a buaileann tu isteach leo i Boston, agus iad pissed
    as a mheabhair, agus muna bhfuil an freagra agat, tog bog e, THE
    SHOCK MIGHT KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    P.S.   1.  I APOLOGISE for the poor IRISH, I hope you'll appreciate
    the intention.
    
           2.  You are ALL bound, under solemn oath, NEVER to translate
    the above for either KEVIN BURNS no a cara PADDY CULBERT.
                                       
           3.  Let confusion & consternation abound.
    
                    THANK YOU!!!!

    
    
    re: .13  KSULLIVAN
    
    
    	I hope you don't mind that I changed the title of your note.
    	(hahahahahahaha) !!!!
    
    
    	:-)	
    
    
    	keVin
    
    

    
    I've heard the album and I really like it....but then again Van
    the man can never do anything musically as far as I'm concerned!

    
    Wallsie

    keVin,
        
      KSULLIVAN and D_OSULLIVAN have rightly done us in.  We should bury
    our heads in sand that way we'll not be a target for abuse from these 
    AMATEUR critics.  
      You and I on the other hand having had the opportunity to sing along
    with the likes of Tommy Makem, Liam Clancy, Christy Moore, Patrick St, 
    Alton and Robbie O'Connell are said to have no appreciation for
    true Irish music.  
      I guess that goes to show you just what they know.  They should
    become food critics because CLEARLY their taste is in their mouth
    and they must be using their ears for ashtrays or some other usefull
    container.
    
    8*)    8*)   8*)   8*)   8*)   8*)   8*)   8*)   8*)   8*)   8*)
    
    paddy
    
    
    

    ....FOR LO, THERE WAS KEENING HEARD THROUGHOUT THE LAND........
    
    (yes....keVin, that does include Clare!!!!!!!!)
    
    ye all have spent the crust of your lives "grazing" in stray meadows!!
    
    all those who retain any semblence of TASTE will surely recall,
    and I hasten to comment, praise those "golden" days of yore when
    that legendary, storied, semi-significant quartet TOWERED above
    all contemporary competition.  Of course, I refer to Charles O'Connor,
    James Lockhart, John Fean, and Eamonn Carr.....that is, HORSLIPS;
    naturally!!
    
    abject apologies can be printed here for all to share in your communal
    shame!!!
    
    (....that's sincere embarassment, keVin.....)
    
    
    "speed the plow"
    
    Kevin.   

    
    
    re: .17
    
    Yo... Maroon_Baron, Have ye been smoken' the turf again ??    :-)
    
                       
    "This is the Tower: You had better get your "Gyro" checked"
                                 
    
    
    keVin (over & out)

    Re: 406.17.
    
    Don't you just love these replies that have absolutely nothing to
    do with anything that has gone before. Totally incongruous. Great!!
    
    Horslips were a QUINTET though, you forgot about Barry Devlin, singer
    and bass player. I saw them live a couple of dozen times in Ennis,
    Lahinch, Limerick, Dublin and Cork. One of the best teenage dance bands
    ever. (Hall Of Mirrors, Furniture, Bim Istigh Ag Ol, Dearg Doom,
    Silver Spear Etc.) Ah yes, those were the daze.
       
    I have often argued, though it be against my nature to do so, with
    the people who claimed that it was Planxty who turned the youth
    of Ireland back on to Irish traditional music (Traditional/ Folk revival),
    that it was Horslips who were really responsible, but never got the 
    credit. They created the intrest in bands like Planxty, Skara Brae,
    Sweeny's Men, Clannad & De Danann.
     
    Though in all honesty, after the first 2/3 albums, they went to hell,
    but for those first few years, they kept us dancing!!!!!!
                                                       
         ................SKIDEREEIIDIIDOM..........................
                       

    isn't life that much richer for all of its' inaccuracies,
    inconsistencies, and incongrutities?  
      
    ref;19 one million pardons  !
 
    I suspect that I had ignored Barry as he has since sold his soul
  to the vagaries of the video monster....I believe he terms himself
    a "director" these days!  I concur that a strong case can be made
    attributing the "celtic revival" to Horslips, and that is the kernel
    of my segue into this specific topic.  I would also contend that
    it was the melding of the two much varied styles, (ie.
    rock&traditional) accomplished so successfully by Horslips, so long
    ago which has since   led to the numerous   experimental "fusion"
    bands (ie.Moving Hearts, Clannad, Gary Moore latest, ah yes, even
    those Scots from Big Country) mixiny their musical metaphors.  Even
    now we see exotic mixes which in the long form can only enrich our
    experience, witness Paddy Moloney's desire to play with everyone!
    
    So, I trust without too strained an effort it"s possible to connect
    with this very erudite and esteemed topic a singular thread of melodic
    memories!
    
    ref; 18   the wiley Clareman, a.k.a. the Faerie Queen, p.s. you'll
              have to explain that one to me "offline" keVin!!!!
    
           I've been grinding, and squinting my time in this "weather"
    wonderland we've all been njoying!  keeping a low profile, (as the
    Gaelic sides for Galway have been!) and resisting the many and varied
    temptations of the notesfile, (unlike my esteemed comrade-the missing
    George Darcy) all-in-all a fulfilling , though confusing occupation!
    
    wait, and ye SHALL receive!
    slan,
    Kevinz

    Well keVin I'll have to agree with you on this one.
    
    I'm not sure if it is something they (kevinz + ksullivan) are smoking
    or maybe it's just all this rain that is bringing them out
    And they are talking about weird things like horse's lips and stuff. 
    
    Hell back in the old days we used to call them horse's asses and I
    still remember what the roads looked like after the parade through
    downtown. Full of big sims-round balls of hay and other things and they
    sure did smell funny.  
    
    Why not talk to the real bands of the day like Pat Boone, Doris
    Day, Johnny Green and the Greenmen, The Mills Brothers, The Ink
    Spots and  of course let us not forget Nat "The Man" King Cole.
    
    Now thats music!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    8*)
    
    Hello George?  
    
    Hey George?  
    
    Yo George?? 
    
    You there George?  
    
    Is George being held prisoner in some foreign land?????
                                                           
    Let's organize a search party to find the ever elusive George Darcy.
    
    I'll check all the pubs in Boston.  
    
    paddy

    PPPSSSSSSSSST...............
    
    
    
    
    I just heard from a highly impeachable source that George has escaped
    from this mundane and predictible workday world to assume the fully
    vested position of road manager, (p.s. that's "roadie" for all you
    ancient correspondents!) on the just-heralded "Horslips 1988-Revival
    tour!  The world tour is reported to be already booked into every
    conceivable venue in the civilized world, (yes, keVin, that DOES
    EXCLUDE County Where, wooops, I meant Clare!) and tickets are re-
    portedly difficult to locate, even in these "early days"!
    
    
    Send out the GROUPIES.......
    
    
    bring back the head of George Darcy!!!!!
    
     

    
    
    	re. 22
    
    
    	Did you notice that George Darcy is no longer listed as the
    	moderator of this conference ??
    
    	Notes> Show moderator
    
    
    	I wonder where he went ??		:-)
    
    
    
    	keVin

    
    re: Moderators
    
    Ahmygawd! Oh, let me sit down. A glass of water pleeease!
    
    Shure it all goes back to that mighty night in Boston when keVin
    and Paddy were "slam dancing" at the Pogues concert.  [Slam dancing
    = head banging for our more civilized guests]
    
    Well anyway I did hear a comment, purPORTERly coming from the Claraeman
    (aka Nat King Bord na Mona) that while he couldn't exactly explain
    slam dancing but that it was definitely better than 5 pints!!!
    
    -Dermot

    Oh Boy,   Oh Boy,   Oh Boy,     
    
    I'm at last a moderator in a file.....   hummmmm now what can I
    do..................
    
    For my first official duty I think I'll go back through this file
    and set a bunch of this stuff WRITELOCKED. 
    
    Then I'll go back and look again and delete anything I think is
    abuseive.  
    
    Then I'll go through it for a last time and combine all thats left into
    one topic and call it
    
    Ah lets see now what would be a good name ya I'll call it OPEN ISSUES
    
    And then I'll make myself the only moderator and make up some new
    rules like......................Any one who has a K as the first
    letter in their name cannot enter anything in the file.  Boy-o-Boy
    this moderator stuff is fun.           8*)             
    
    Now how do I get rid of this BURNS fella?????     8^)
                                
    

>        And then I'll make myself the only moderator and make up some new
>    rules like......................Any one who has a K as the first
>    letter in their name cannot enter anything in the file.  Boy-o-Boy
>    this moderator stuff is fun.           8*)             
    
>    Now how do I get rid of this BURNS fella?????     8^)
     
    Now Paddy, a litle test. A mans name. 3 letters. Begins with a "B".
    Ends with a "B". What is it ?
    
    
    Well done Paddy if you answered "BOB".
    
    Now, to the above. Kevin Burns. Begins with a "K". See how simple
    it is !!!!
    
    - Anon (guess who I am , Moderator)

          Come on now, lads let's get this topic back on track......
    
    
    I would suggest that perhaps either the state of State aid grants
    to the Western Health Board, or even the condition of EC agricultural
    grants to dairy farms in East Galway might constitute worthy topics
    to bring this highly irrational, irrevent, and irrelevant crack
    back to earth!
    
    Kevin,
    
    Burn's better alter ego,
    from the shores of scenic
    Lough Lavalley! 

    
    
    OH NO!!!!!!!!!!
    Paddy is moderator to this file.............
    
    Well I guess    it's      time     to     go     to
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    Huh??  What??   oh yeah  sleep  8^)
    
    congrats  paddy
    
    john `{o}^{o}' (the taller brother) 8^)

    Leaprechauns have a messy solution.
    
    TO get rid of Burns is not going to be easy.
    
    Here is one suggestion: Take him to the top of the John Hancock
    building. Tie an elasticated rope to his ankles and throw him over
    side of the building. Make sure the rope is three inches longer
    than the height of the building minus the height of (K)eVin Burns.
    
    The result :
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Well as I said he is hard to get rid of.
    
    However this would mean that he would at least be a bit shorter, a bit
    messy on one end, and he'd have his head up his ass.
    
    ...................Come to think of it, he be much the same as he
    is now, lets forget the whole idea.   :-) :-)
    
    
    
    
    Snake is pokey to-day Galway won.
    

    Mike,
         There is only one problem with your solution. If keVin was
    any shorter, it would be virtually impossible to tell the difference
    between Paddy & himself. And they already create enough confusion!!!!
    
    But it is reassuring to know that people are contemplating this
    all but serious problem.
         

    
    
    This message is for Kevin Burns and Patrick Culbert
    ***************************************************
    
    Lads, plan an early holiday to Ireland to get the authentic sound
    of the Celtic Soul Brothers: Van the Man and the Chieftains.
    
    Appearances in Dublin, Belfast, Cork and Galway during the first
    half of September.  
    
    -Dermot
    
    P.S. I'm dusting off my tin-whistle for the jam!!!

    
    
    
    	re: .31
    
    
    
    DERMOT: Thanks for BOTH of the warnings .....   :-)
    
    
    
    
    keVin

     
    
  Geee Dermot!!!!!!!
    
    
    I was just thinking   
    
    How the heck are you going to keep Van the Man sober that long????
                        8*)
    
    paddy

    Thank you to Kevin "Planet Earth" Burns for putting me in the right
    note....I find all your criticisms profound.  
    
    I liked the album, myself.  Although, on Carrickfergus, I found myself
    wondering why a singer with twenty years experience doesn't know
    his own range....someone must have been pinching his privates....
    
    Good luck to all of you in your new careers as music critics.  
    
    
    Diane St. Onge

    
    Well, seeing as this note is in some small way related to Van the
    Man, ye may be interested to see that he is - finally - getting
    some small part of the recognition he so richly deserves.  And yes
    I am serious about him deserving it.
    
    Anyway, Rolling Stone has issued its list of the best 100 singles
    of the last 25 years and The Man is in their with G-L-O-R-I-A and
    'Brown-Eyed Girl'.
    
    Heres to more of the same.
    
    Bernard.

    re .last and 'Brown Eyed Girl'
    
    Did you know that when Van wrote this song way back then the
    original title and lyric was 'Green Eyed Girl'!!! However the
    record company/producer said EUCH no way Jose, so they changed
    it to 'Brown Eyed Girl' instead and it took off. 
                     
    - Dave who's_favourite_album_of_all_time_is_Astral_Week
    

    
    Re .36
    
    According to Rolling Stone, it had been called
    'Brown _Skinned_ Girl'  - my emphasis.  I guess the main thing is
    that it was different and The Man changed it for the better.
    
    Maybe he's not as difficult as the media would have you believe.
    

    re .37
    
    Yep,you're right. It was some other song I was thinking about.
    Well to tell the truth I was suffering from 'guinnexcess' as a
    result of last night �-)
    
    - Dave K.

    The Chieftains and Van Morrison are currently on tour and we got
    to see last Saturday's concert at the Stadium in Dublin.  Even though
    I say it myself, it was a great show.
    
    Part 1 was 30-35 minutes of the Chieftains playing in the usual
    way - excellent set, if too short.
    
    Part 2 had Van Morrison and his regular band playing for most of an
    hour.  Derek Bell of the Chieftains accompanied on piano.  Van did
    say he tried to get Phil Coulter, but no luck!  Morrison delivered
    an excellent set with powerhouse vocals and directed his band "into
    the mystic."
    
    Part 3 then had the rest of the Chieftains trooping back on stage
    for a good-humoured set which consisted of the songs from the Irish
    Heartbeat album.  All sides, including the audience, enjoyed the
    crack.  
    
    Finally, two encores, the last of which had a dead straight cover
    of Ray Charles' "I can't stop loving you", which was only incredible.
    
    and we sailed and we sailed...