| T.R | Title | User | Personal
Name | Date | Lines |
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| 396.1 | CHUCK THE ROSE TINTED GLASSES | AYOV11::EBYRNE | | Fri Jun 17 1988 10:33 | 4 |
| HOW ABOUT 3 PEOPLE IN TEE-SHIRTS IN GIBRALTA. REMEMBER MAGGI DID
SAY THAT IT SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE A WAR
PRAGMATICALLY YOURS
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| 396.2 | | WELSWS::MANNION | A' for the girdin' o' it! | Fri Jun 17 1988 12:24 | 19 |
| We had a great debate at lunch here today. Bryan Walker from Gibraltar,
Nick McIntosh (a self-confessed "Save The Gay Whale" man), Andrew
Dodd (Arch-Tory) and me (various of you will have different opinions
about that). we came to no conclusion (again) on why the SAS killed
the three in Gibraltar, but wondered why there's such a difference
in the reaction to different deaths.
I find it saddening that different people seem more concerned about
whose side the dead are on, than the fact that there's more death,
more grief, and still no end in sight. Neither the British Government
nor the terrorists (or Freedom Fighters, as you will) are right
to kill in the way they do. You do not need rose tinted glasses
to mourn more death, you do not need to be a pragmatist to try and
imagine the lives of the families left behind. If you try and do
both of those things you are nearer to the human approach will is
the only way the murders will stop.
Do we have to have this "Our deaths are worth more than your deaths"
stuff?
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| 396.4 | | FNYFS::AUNGIER | Ireland 1 Russia 1 | Sat Jun 18 1988 16:56 | 11 |
| As Ben Gurion once said there can be no peace without justice. Until
the army of occupation gets out, this will continue.
Maggie has declared a war on the Irish, now the price of that war
is coming home to the British army. This is not the Malvinas, this
is N.I. which righly belongs to the Irish.
If the troops get out then there can be peace. The note should stay,
everybody is entitled to their opinions.
El Gringo
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| 396.6 | Justice and peace | FLOCON::AUNGIER | Ireland 1 Russia 1 | Mon Jun 20 1988 04:03 | 23 |
| < Note 396.5 by KERNEL::TBOOKER "Clever phrase." >
-< I'm talking life; you're talking soil. >-
> Ghandi freed a sub-continent with less bloodshed than NI has seen.
The Irish have tried to talk about solutions to this problem and
the result was NIL.
When the Civil Rights marchers marched in Derry, the answer from
British paratroopers was 13 dead civilians. This march was a peaceful
march, with the demands equal rights. There has been many murders
by the security forces. Homes broken into, internment without trial.
The Irish experience with peaceful means has been NIL. As far back
1916, the leaders of the rising realised that the only solution
was to take up arms.
It is a pity that there is no other way but then until Maggie can
see that Ireland can never be conquered by the military might of
the British army, then the toll of human lives will continue.
El Gringo
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| 396.7 | | DUB01::OSULLIVAN_D | Stalker, Birmingham, Gibralter | Mon Jun 20 1988 05:44 | 6 |
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re: .0
Why not get the rest of them out now before they come home in boxes?
-Dermot
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| 396.8 | ' | RUNWAY::FARRINGTON | the TIME has COME | Mon Jun 20 1988 07:56 | 13 |
| ref: 396.3
Tony, though you have freely stated a position of bias, I,
and I suspect, the majority of contributors, can understand your
emotional stance. However, the strength, or even the validity of
your feelings, is certainly NOT sufficent rationale to deny the
airing of oppositional points of view. Additionally, I would contend
that Ghandi's success had far more to due with geographical consider-
ations than with tactical choices! There is soul-rending truth
in more than one political posture.
Kevin.
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| 396.9 | | VIA::KROBINSON | Angst and Cheez Whiz | Wed Jun 22 1988 15:01 | 5 |
| To continue the list of the dead in NI :
Robert Seymour, UVF member
(Please understand that this is IN NO WAY a statment of support
for the UVF.)
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