Conference tallis::celt

    Leaprechauns have the answers.
    
    Re .0
          Brian is the spelling used universally in Ireland.
    
    In Irish your name goes like this : Br�an, Padraigh Mac an R�.
    Pronunciation : Breeon Pawrig Mock on Ree. (note the ` symbol over
    the i used is "a fada" signifying a long vowel.).
    
    Literal meaning Brian, Patrick, son of King.
    
    Snake will oblidge.
    

    
    
    	For those near LKG way, stop by my office and look up your
    	(last) name on my Irish Families map. It will tell you what
    	your name means too.
    
    	Foley = O Foghlada = "Plunderer"

    							mike

    Thank you for your help!  I really appreciate it.
    
    Bryan

    
    	RE: .2
    
    
    	Hey M.F. (aka Mike Foley)  It's often that I have heard you say :
                                           
    
    "Hey Burnsie .... Let's head into Beantown for some heavy-duty 
     Plundering & Pillage"     :-)
                                                                   
    
                      
    
    	Bro. Burns
                            
    
    
    	

    
    
    	Yea, plundering! Come on the banner! (and anywhere's else)
    
    	Burns = as Byrne
    
    	Byrne(s) O Broin  "Raven"

    
    							Bro' Fo'

       re .5 (Burns, Raven):
       
       Yeah, as in Ravin' Lunatic.
       
       And a Happy New Year to you.
       
       --Mr Topaz

    
    
    
    	TOPAZ = O'Know
    
    
    	Yeah, as in  "O'Know is Topaz"
                     
    
    	And a Happy Rosh Hashanah you you also ...
    
    
    	Your Brother Burns

    Could you tell me what my name is in Gealic?  (I've been told my
    first name IS Gealic and means Mary in English, but I've never really
    been sure).
    
    My name is  Maura Fitzpatrick, notice my username is McCarthy, that's
    my recently acquired marriage name, if it's not too much trouble
    could you tell me what that is too?
    
    Really appreciate it----------Maura

    Maura  (methinks) is an phonetically spelled Anglo version of 
    the Irish word Mo�ra (pronounced  Moy' ra), meaning Mary.
    
    McCarthy is one of the top 2 most common names in Ireland.
    I think the other is Murphy.  And a good Munster name at that.
    
    FitzPatrick, like my name, is a Norman name, meaning
    "son of Patrick".  The Normans who were from Normandy area
    in France conquered Ireland in the years (1200-1400) after the Norman
    conquest in 1066.  The leaders of the Normans were descendents from
    the Scandinavian warriors who invaded Normandy (who also invaded
    Ireland in the years 800-1100).
    
    -g

    Leaprechauns can help.
    
    Maura is the anglo version of M�ire (pronounced : MAW-i-REH).
                                   | note the ' over the a to signify
    length.
    
    Your name in Irish is M�ire Mac Carthaigh
    Pronounced : Mah-i-reh Mock Caw-rr-hig (roll the r's in the middle).
    
    Your mariage name Fitzpatrick (norman origin) is Mac Giolla-Phadraigh.
    pronounced : Mock Gilleh-Faw-rr-hig (roll the r's again).
    
    McCarthy is a common Cork name.
    

    Re: .10, .11
    
    I may be wrong on this ( it wouldn't be the first time), but I believe
    that the name Fitzpatrick significantly predates the arrival of the
    Normans in Ireland. It is the only Fitz - prefixed name for which
    this is true. My source for this is a seminar that I once took that
    dealt with Irish geneology. It was mentioned is passing, and I remember
    that I was a bit surprised at the time. I will try to find the
    reference. I have moved my household since I took the seminar, so
    I'll have to dig a bit.
    
    Mike
    

    Re .12: Look at the Gaelic form given by Snake: it doesn't mean
    Son of Patrick (unlikely if this Patrick is Saint Patrick), but
    Son of the Servant of Patrick, meaning the son of a man who established
    a monastery for Saint Patrick or for one of his follower. What is
    surprising is that this name came to take a Norman form instead
    of an English one.
    			Denis.

    Thank you all very much for the interesting information on my names!!
    I really appreciate it, and don't mean to be greedy, but, could
    someone tell me if Emily (Emma) is a name of Irish origin??

    I was told once that Ahern means either keeper of horses, or stealer
    of horses, depending on the spelling.  Any confirmation or
    contradiction?  An uncle once came up with a crest with three herons
    on it.  Maybe we're keepers of birds.
    
    					Dennis the Menace
    
    
    
    

    re: .10      What does "Munster" mean?

    
    
    	Munster =
    
    	a. The BEST in the West ..
    	
    		or
    
    	b. Scary things you see a lot of at Halloween 
                           
    
    		or
    
    	c. Herman's last name 
    

    Munster is the heart and soul of Ireland :-)

    Leaprechauns are the beating heart --- and they're in Connacht.
    
    Munster is one of the four provinces of Ireland. It is located to
    the south-south-west. It comprises Counties Kerry, Cork, Limerick,
    Clare, Tipperary, & Waterford.
    Like the vast majority of placenames in Ireland, their english versions
    are only approximations or bastardisations of the Gaelic name.
    Munster was the creation that was begotten by "Muamha" or C�ige
    Muamhan (pronounced  coo-i-geh moon).
    C�ige means fifth part of, and it is the prefix given to the four
    provinces of Ireland (but that's only four parts - do I hear you
    say???). This is true but there used to be five provinces in the
    dim distant past. The fifth was the province of Oriel which was
    in present-day north Leinster and south Ulster. BTW in those old
    bygone days Co. Clare used to be part of Connacht because it was
    (and still is) west of the Shannon river as all of Connacht is.
    However one of the kings of Munster wanted to steal it from us
    westerners, so we pretended to be upset, and let him have it.
    Jaysus sure who in his right mind would want all those bare rocks
    where a blade of grass would have to pay rent.
    
    Snake knows the Banner county.
    

    Re .19,.18,.17: Munster, as well as Leinster and Ulster is a name
    which is the result of the Norse influence in the 9th-11th centuries.
    The proper Gaelic form should look something like Tir Muamha (don't
    pay attention to my Gaelic spelling, I'm French and never had the
    occasion to study Gaelic), and would be anglicised as Tirmun (or
    something similar), but due to the influence of the Norse invaders,
    who spoke a Germanic language, the name was build in the same way
    as a Saxon genitive: Muamha's Tir, hence Munster in English (I think
    that Tir means land in Gaelic). Other less important areas have
    kept the Irish construction of their name such as Tyrone or Tirconnell.
    			Denis.

    Re .20
    
    Denis, I was with you until you described "Tirconnell" as a "less
    important area". That's fighting talk. If young Ferrie sees that
    you'll be struck off the Emigrant's distribution list!
    
    	Frank.

    re: .10,.11
    
    I'm a little confused.  You've said that my first name Maura is
    the Anglo version of Moira or Marehee.  When you say Anglo do you
    mean English??? and if so what is 'Mary', American English ?? which
    would translate to the same names in Gaelic as Maura does???? , 
    and as Marie from French to Gaelic would?, and Maria in Spanish????
    
    Do you see my confusion???
    
    It seems that each language has it's own version of a particular name.
    I guess what I'd really like to know is if MY NAME, MAURA Ann Catherine
    is indeed Irish (regardless of it's Gaelic translation, which I certainly
    appreciated) as both of my last names certainly are.
                                                              
                               
    ------Thick as a ..........

    Leaprechauns said it before...
    
    M�ire is pronounced like Maura except there is an eh sound at the
    end instead of the a sound.
    Maura is the "unecessary" english bastardisation of the gaelic version
    of the hebrew name Mary. Hence my use of the term anglo.
    Maura is a very common christian name in Ireland.       
    
    Snake will try to help phonetically speaking....
    

    Re .21, .20: Sorry, I should have checked my wording. I only meant
    "of smaller dimension" (geometrically -or geographically- speaking),
    not less important. The reader would have corrected by himself -I
    hope- ;^).
    And, of course, the most important of all has kept the Gaelic form
    of its name: Tir Na nOg.
    			Denis.

    O.K. Denis, you're forgiven. As a *fluent* French speaker myself,
    I knew what you were saying! I was just trying to save you from
    the wrath of the less-educated and not-so-cosmopolitan Donegal people
    - i.e. those not from Inishowen.
    
    	Parochially yours,
    			  Frank.

    Any definitions for McGrath ??
    

    My wife and I are going to be having a baby this July and we'd like
    to come up with a nice Irish name.  If it's a boy we are probably
    going with Brendan (anyone know what this name means, by chance?)
    but we don't have a name if it's a girl.  any suggestions would
    be appreciated.  Thanks,
    
    Keith R>

    We called our last daughter Orla which is an old Irish name.
    
    A few names I can think of
    
    S�obhan
    M�iraid
    Sh�ila
    Gr�inne
    M�ire
    Catleen
    
    
    Its too late to think to hard, maybe tomorrow I will think of some
    more.
    
    El Gringo
        

    
    There are hundreds of Old Irish Names for Girls - heres some!
                                   
    Emer
    Dervla
    Aoife	
    Una                                                         
    Niamh
    Roisin
    Eanna       
    Aine        
    Aisling
   
          /
    Ann (Aine)
    
    re -2:  McGrath is a pretty common Irish Name - Im sure SNAKE will
            know what it means - 'son of <something>'
    
    

    re .27 
    
    another name you could use if it was a girl is AILEEN which
    is irish for Helen and it also my name.  
    
    Hope all goes well in July.

    Regards
    
    
    AILEEN

Some friends called their daughter Rian (for queen).  Pronounced 
Ree-un.  I love it -- too bad our baby days are over.
My mother-in-law's name was Cait (pronounced Cawth or cawtch).  If you add 
the diminutive "-lin" (pronounced -leen) you get Caitlin 
(pronounced cawt-leen' - or cathleen or kathleen).  I have heard 
people pronounce this name Kate'-lyn -- drives me nuts as the true 
pronounciation is much nicer.

Ailis is another favorite of mine (pronounced ey-leesh').  I 
think it's gaelic for alice.

A few others I like:

Ceara (ki'-ra)
Roisin (ro'-sheen)
Aidin (ey'-deen)

Roxanne (who's mother got her name from Cyrano de Bergerac)

    
    
    
    	re.27  My sons name is "Brendan Michael Burns", but for the life
    	       of me I can't recall what Brendan means. I think it is
    	       something like "one with brown hair" or something like
    	       that ...
    
    	       I am embarrased for not knowing  :-(
                                
    	       One of the funny things about his name is that, as an
    	       example, when he tries out for a Hockey Team, and the
    	       new coach calls and asks for Brenda. We tell him it's
    	       Brendan and its a boy. This usually makes the hockey
    	       coach very,very happy. Seems they prefer to have a team
    	       of all male hockey players. :-)
    
    
    	keVin
    
    

    Thanks for the names so far.  The suggestions are great.  I had
    heard that Brendan is the patron saint of sea captains, but I dunno
    if there is any truth behind that.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Keith R>

       
       	Grath = Mag Raith = "Grace"
       
       							me_haul

    To correct a bit of spelling, my daughter is Ciara (pronounced keer'ah)
    maybe there is Ceara but I never heard of it. Another nice name
    is Triona. It is a variation of Catriona but I believe that Triona
    is a separate name (remember la femme in the Bothy Band)
    
    - Joe

    Re:33.
    You are probably referring to St. Brendan the Navigator,
    a monk from what is now Co. Kerry in S.W Ireland.
    It is reputed that he sailed across the Atlantic C. 5-6th century
    A.D in a small boat made from ox hides stretched over a wooden frame.
    An expedition carried out by Tim Severin recreated the voyage in
    recent times and is outlined in his book "The Brendan Voyage".
    A mountain in Kerry is called Mt. Brandon in his honour.
    				j d.
    

    Any info on the name Rois�n would be greatly appreciated.
    
    	 - Robbie...................

    Before I start I'd like to ask for no laughter about the following
    question:
    
    Recently my wife gave birth to a beautiful baby girl.  Now I've
    always fancied the name Shaun, so we named her that.  Now the problem,
    it seems that no one around here can believe that I've named my
    girl with a "boy's" name.  I'd always heard that Sean was the male
    spelling and that there are certainly girls with the name Shaun.
    
    Question, have I screwed up and scarred my girl for life or is this
    name acceptable for a girl?
    
    Many regards,		Keith R>

    I think Shaun is the Anglicized version of the male Irish name Sean.
    Although, I have heard Shauna (with extra a) as a common female
    name here in the US.

    A friend and collegue of mine has a daughter who is now about 14
    years of age. They named her Shawn (with the w instead of u). She
    has not seemed to have been either scarred for life nor has anyone
    given her a hard time about her name.
    
    And with both boys and girls named Robin, Lynn, Shannon, Sydney,
    and so on, who should care? If you like Shaun, that's what counts. 
    
    

    Is there not a Sean Young a film actress at the moment?
    
    Shaun in a fine name for a young lady.
    
    Why worry about what anyone else says/thinks? None of their business.
    
    Some friends of ours made up their childrens' names, so that the names
    would be different/intresting.....Deanga was one.

                            Yours into Uniqueness,
    
                                   Murphy.
    

    I agree too, it matters only what you like.
    
    BTW, I went to school with a Marcia Mello.  Top that one.

    I am due to have a baby around Dec 5th.  My maiden name is Fitzgerald
    and married name is Scotland.  I have always had my heart set on
    Gaelic names....my husband needs a bit of convincing.  One male
    name I like is Darach.....does anyone know the meaning of this.
     I was told it is Scotch Gaelic.  For a girl we are toying with
    Caeleigh.  I am uncertain how to spell it.  I've seen it spelled
    a variety of ways.  The meaning I have in mind is 'a highland dance
    or gathering of people'.  I thought the true spelling was something
    like Celidgh?  My concern is that living in the states we usually
    can't pronounce names spelled in true Gaelic.  I am open to
    suggestions.. I was thinking of Caeleigh Shea, Gaelan Shea, Brenna
    Leigh  etc.....  The especially hard one is a boy.  Your ideas would
    be welcome....
    
    Thanks, JoEllen (whose ancesters are from County Kerry)  I have
    two sisters, Kerry Beth and Colleen Ann.

    Hello JoEllen, I think CEILI would make a nice name for your baby.
    I christened my VS2000 CEILI last October.  Pronounced KAY-LEE,
    spelled c�il�.
    
    -George

    George,
    
    I like it...but, would people pronounce it Kay-lee or seal-ee. 
    Usually ce is a soft c.  i.e. ceiling.  Maybe I could modify
    it to Caeli....what do you think?  This might be more easily
    pronounced correctly.
    
    JoEllen

    
    
    	I guess "Bonnie" is out of the question ...  :-)
    
    
    
    
    
    	keVin

    JoEllen,
    
    if it's Scots Gaelic then the spelling is Ceilidh and for Irish
    it's C�il�. The pronunciation is the same for both (i.e. Caylee
    or Kaylee).
    
    FWIW we (father from Cork, mother fae Glesga) had a wee girl last
    December (coincidentally she was due to arrive on the 7th, but she
    waited 2 weeks until the snow melted, and we'd missed Christmas
    and the new year in Scotland !!) and named her R�is�n (pronounced
    Rosheen or Roesheen, meaning 'Little Rose'). She hasn't complained
    (yet!) but some of the Germans think it's something to do with the
    Russians !! 
    
    	- Robin Patrick Finbarr...............
    

    Hello,
    
    I proud to say that my wife is pregnant, and coming from Ireland
    we have picked an Irish name for a girl. Kyra (Im not sure if this
    is the correct spelling but its pronounced KEY-RA).
    
    We already have a boy and his name is Kevin. 
    
    Just to explain why we have'nt picked an other name for a boy -
    when our first born was on his way my wife and I picked the name
    Kevin. We never could agree on a girls name so we just hoped it
    would be a boy and it was!
    
    So this time we would like a girl (if its a boy we wont send it
    back), so we've only picked a girls name - if it works I'll let
    you know.
    
    Best Regards (and good luck)
    
    Michael
    

    The correct spelling of -.1 is Ciara.
    
    	- Robin....

    And if it's a boy then you can use Ciar�n (Keyerawn) which is Irish
    for Kieran.
    
    	- Robin.......

    
    Thanks Robin, sorry to be so illiterate! 
    
    

    Will ye for *&%#@* sake cut it out with the knitting needles and
    babies' names.....McCROHAN are you behind this turn of events?
    Everyone getting so nice, polite and helpful....make you sick!!!!!
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    P.S. Kevin is indeed a fine name.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
              Yours who is proud his wife isn't pregnant,
    
                          Murphy.

    
    
    
    ..re -1...No knitting neddles here.
    
    One question. Can anyone tell me if they have ever heard of..or
    know where this name comes from..Cula  ( with a fada over the u)
    Its a female name. All I know is that its supposed to be some
    class of old celtic druid etc name
    
    ..and that the Catholic church initally refused to baptise her
    until her folks said thats ok they were only there for the celebrations
    anyway...She herself hasn't heard of any other people called that
    name.
    
    Mick
    
    
    

>                  Yours who is proud his wife isn't pregnant,
    
>                          Murphy.


    Murphy,
    
    	 Maybe you're doing something wrong ! Do you need guidance or
    assistance or what ? 
    
    I can also point you to a conference where someone like you will
    get on wonderfully, hit kp7 etc.....    :-)
    
    BTW
    
    Is much easier..........
    
    	- Robin........ 
    

    
    Its my bloody wife we're talking about here!! :-)
    
    I had to say I am proud cause she works for DEC too, so if she ever
    read this notes file I'll be ok!
    
    
    Michael - who took eleven years to figure out what he did right
    the first time!
    
    

Re .52 "Murph who is glad his wife is not pregnant."


I have it from a reliable authority, (sorry, Murph, I know you 
don't like cliches),....as I was saying I have it from the horses 
mouth that the above statement is true.

and what's more




















She tells me Murph is pregnant





And guess what?




















Its not her's



Listoon....listooon....listoon....listooon.....varna

    
    
    Willie,
    
       I bet you pay dearly for that one.   8*)
    
    paddy

    Not at all, I'm just happy to see the notesfile taking a more 
    lighthearted turn. It's due week 3 August, in Galway. I knew 
    we'd be stuck for a reason to leave the pubs.....
    
    Wasn't Christy in mighty form on Saturday night!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    
    Now where was I?????                                      
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    There once was a man named O'Farrell
    whose........
    (to be continued)
    
    
                            M.

    
    
    Hey Willie,
    
      I knew you'd pay for it but what the hell it was worth it, good
    job....
    
      Christy was great on Saturday Night, Murphy if you had stayed a bit
    longer you could have talked to him.
                                           
      Thanks Willie!!!                         
    
    paddy
    
    

    What the hell are you going to do now Paddy, frame the sweaty 
    t-shirt???? If you wash it you'll loose the signiture, wash
    around it perhaps.....an awful conundrum of a situation.....     
    
    I had already spoken to him and all was fine, great minds think....
    (alike)......but you were probably grabbing a few zzzzzz's at the
    time and missed it......old age.....the terrible realisation.......
    
               arovinarovinarovinwellgo.........
                                           
                         M.
    
                  

    Greetings-
    
    I was wondering if you folks might help me by giving me some info on my
    daughter's name:  Kaleigh Lyric O'Donnell.
    I was recently asked what Kaleigh meant and I (embarassingly) didn't
    know.  Could someone lend a hand?  O'Donnell I think is from the Cork
    area?
    
    Siochain,
    David

    C�il� (pronounced cay-lee) is a dance usually with music.
    O'Donnell is usually associated with Donegal -  but there
    may be some wayward clans in Cork for all I know.
    
    slan,
    /george

    Thanks /george!
    
    That's pretty interesting, since my daughter is essentially a dance
    incarnate . . . and it goes pretty well with Lyric, her middle name.
    
    Now folks, one more question:  my mother is intersted in info on her
    clan, Brown.
    
    Siochain,
    David