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Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
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195.0. "2 Boston Globe viewpoints on NI" by TALLIS::DARCY (George Darcy) Thu May 07 1987 01:49

    I give in these next two replies, two editorials concerning Northern
    Ireland written in the Boston Globe, 29 April 1987 and 4 May 1987,
    respectively.  I found them both interesting, but I'll save my comments
    right now.  For those of you not familiar to New England, the Globe
    has the largest distribution of any newspaper in New England.  It
    has an eastern establishment liberal slant.
    
    The first article is an editorial from the Globe staff.
    
    The second article is an independant editorial written by Peter Maas.
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195.1Editorial #1TALLIS::DARCYGeorge DarcyThu May 07 1987 02:0559
    Boston Globe Editorial - reprinted without permission 4/29/87
    
    Dishonoring Ireland
    
    The murder of Sir Maurice Gibson, a senior Northern Ireland judge,
    and his wife in a carbombing by the Irish Republican Army has certain
    similarities to the killing of Lord Mountbatten in 1979.  In both
    instances, the crime was committed by means of a planted bomb that
    was detonated at the critical moment by a radio signal sent by the
    killers from a nearby field.
    
    In each case, the principal victim had been casual about security
    arrangements.  Lord Mountbatten had been vacationing every summer
    for decades at his family's estate in County Sligo in the Republic
    of Ireland.  He was well-known to local people and had no specific
    reason to believe himself in danger.  Judge Gibson had booked a
    vacation in France four months ago through a Belfast travel agannncy,
    using his own name and giving exact time of his arrivals and
    departures.  This was not in accord with the evasive action that
    senior officials are urged to take in their travel arrangements.
    Unpredictability in one's movements is a potential victim's best
    defense.
    
    The IRA hated Gibson because of his decisions in IRA-related cases.
    Presumably, it hated Mountbatten, who had no involvement in Northern
    Ireland affairs, because he was a British war hero and an uncle
    of the queen.  In each case, in addition to the target of the attack,
    other persons who had no political role also died.  Did the IRA
    also hate Mrs. Gibson?  Or the 15-year-old Irish boy who died piloting
    Mountbatten's boat?
    
    The members of the IRA and its American sympathizers have to ask
    themselves what is being accomplished by the murder of all these
    people, political figures and innocents alike.  Is Ireland any closer
    to unity today than it was when Mountbatten was killed eight years
    ago?  Will the judge and his wife be remembered a month from now?
    Or will their deaths make a particle of difference in the future
    decisions of the British government?
    
    In its Easter message last week, on the 71st annniversary of the
    Dublin rebellion of 1916, the IRA had recourse to the old fanatical
    language: "The British will only be talked out of Ireland through
    the rattle of machine guns and the roar of explosives."
    
    This may sound romantic or even plausible until the historical
    realities are examined.  Eamon DeValera, Michael Collins, Patrick
    Pearse and the other heroes of 1916 organized a military revolt.
    The survivors later fought a guerilla war.  They did not assassinate
    old women and young boys.  There is a considerable moral difference
    between guerrilla warfare and random terrorism.
    
    The original IRA fought the Irish War of Independence from 1919
    to 1921 and won because it had the moral and political support of
    an overwhelming majority of the nationalist community.  Because
    today's pseudo-IRA lacks that majority support, it has to resort
    to cowardly strikes against isolated victims.  These hit-and-run
    murders are despicable; they do nothing to advance any Irish cause
    or interest.  They only bring dishonor to the good name of Irish
    men and women everywhere.
195.2Editorial #2TALLIS::DARCYGeorge DarcyThu May 07 1987 02:39131
    Boston Globe Editorial - reprinted without permission 5/4/87
    
    The myths and the realities of Northern Ireland's troubles - Peter Maas

    At dinner parties and similar affairs I hear a great deal of heated
    talk about the situation in the Middle East, in South Africa and
    in Central America, and every so often I ask "What about Northern
    Ireland?"
    
    Immediately, I see a lot of eye-rolling around me, and later, at
    home, my wife says: "You know, maybe you should lay off.  It seems
    to make people uncomfortable."
    
    Well, granted Northern Ireland isnn't in the geopolitical thick
    of things, although there are any number of military deep thinkers
    who speak of Ireland's strategic position astride the North Atlantic
    sea lanes and conjure up dark visions of a united Ireland in
    revolutionary hands becoming another Cuba.  Now, anything is possible,
    but I wouldn't bet the farm on this one.
    
    I should say that my interest is more than passing.  My ancestral
    mainstreams are Dutch and Irish.  The Dutch, though, managed to
    throw off the Spanish yoke some three centuries ago and have since
    put it all together.  So my heart naturally goes out to the Irish,
    whose own rebellion against another invader around that same time
    met with devastating defeat at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690,
    and who have suffered ever afterward.
    
    Not long ago, I spent time in Belfast with an active service volunteer
    of the Irish Republican Army, who, upon inquiring about my antecedents,
    said, "Ah, you know what Bismark said.  Bismark said if the Dutch
    had conquered Ireland, it would have become the breadbasket of Europe.
    On the other hand, if the Irish had conquered Holland, it would
    have sunk into the sea."
    
    The reality today in Northern Ireland is not amusing.  Since the
    current round of "troubles" began, in August 1969, after Catholic
    civil rights marchers - inspired by similar efforts here in the
    South - protested widespread discrimination in housing, education,
    job opportunities and voting rights, there have been nearly 2600
    bloody deaths in a population of a million and a half.  A comparable
    figure here would number close to 400,000, rivaling the mortality
    rate of the Civil War.  One out of every 20 households in Northern
    Ireland has experienced a death or an injury from shooting and
    bombings.
    
    Liberals have a tough time getting a handle on all of this.  For
    one thing, all the antagonists are white.  For another, while they
    worship the same God, the troubles come off as a sort of bizarre
    sectarian strife right out of the Reformation.  And, not least,
    there is our love affair, from jurisprudence to Princess Di, with
    Ireland's conquerors - the Brits.  It makes you wonder why Adams,
    Jeffersonn, and Washington went to all that bother.
    
    There's also another reason.  As seenn through American media coverage
    of the Irish agony, Britain is sweet reason and light: once a majority
    in Northern Ireland votes to be unified with the Irish Republic,
    that's it.  This, of course, conveniently ignores the fact that
    when Ireland was being partitioned after the 1916 uprising, the
    electoral will was overwhelmingly for unification.  Or that in carving
    out Northern Ireland, Britain originallyo intended to include all
    nine counties of Ulster, but, on reflection, realized that this
    would create a loyalist majority a bit too close for comfort, so
    in the end only six counties were included, thus guaranteeing a
    two-to-one edge to those swearing allegiance to the crown.
    
    Never mind the tyranny of regional majorities; what, for instance
    do you suppose would have happened if the South alone had been allowed
    to vote on desegregation in the United States.
    
    Indeed, as a maker of myths, the sad truth is that American reportage
    on Northern Ireland by and large has become an adjunct of the British
    Foreign Service.  The Provisional IRA, as a result, has been
    routinely lumped in with various Middle East "terrorist" groups,
    with Italy's Red Brigades, West Germany's Red Army Faction, and
    France's Direct Action.  Never mind a secret British Army
    Intelligence report that says Provo links to such outfits are "elusive"
    that there is no indication that the IRA has "either the intention
    or the ability to foster" these connections and that the Provos
    are simply "committed to the traditional aim of Irish nationalism;
    that is, the removal of the British presence from Ireland."
    
    There's the notion as well that everything boils down to a kind
    of mindless holy war between Protestants and Catholics.  Although
    the fundamentalist minister Ian Paisley has done his simplistic
    best to churnn up religious hatred, the issue is far more complicated,
    innvolving unique political, economic, ad cultural factors rooted
    in Britian's subjugation and subsequent colonization of Ireland,
    beginning with absentee landlords and the importation of Scottish
    settlers, primarily in Ulster.
    
    Not so incidentally, that acknowledged godfather of Irish
    republicanism, Wolfe Tone, as not only Scottish but Protestant,
    and Charles Stewart Parnell, one the legendary heroes of the republican
    movement, was both English and Protestant.  These days, whatever
    else you might think of the IRA, it can hardly be described as part
    of a papal conspiracy.
    
    The US government has bestowed to British pressure.  An Ian Paisley,
    for example, can come to  this country on speaking tours anytime
    he wants.  So can Andy Tyrie, who runs the Ulster Defense Association.
    So can John Hume, the articulate head of the republican (and Catholic)
    Social Democratic and Labor Party, who has accepted the idea of
    a majority vote to determine Ulster's future.  But an equally
    articulate Gerry Adams, chief of Sinn Fein, the IRA's political
    wing, and like Paisley and elected member of the British Parliament
    (although he refuses to take his seat), is denied entry.
    
    Even more pernicious, the US Senate voted last year to remove the
    plitical offense exception clause form our extradition treaty with
    the United Kingdom - a cluase that was, and still is, standard in
    90 similar treaties between the United States and other nations.
    The clause states that an extradition will not be granted to anyone
    who can prove that he is wanted "with a view to try and punish him
    for an offense of a political nature."
    
    After Irish republican fugitives won a string of victories against
    extradition in US courts, a massive British lobbying effort, with
    the Reagan administration's full support (as a partial payoff for
    Margaret Thatcher's agreement to let US bombers use England as a
    base on their way to Libya in April 1986), changed the rules not
    only for the future but also retroactively.
    
    Just to show how powerful the pressure was, among those who voted
    the bill out of committee were Joseph Biden of Delaware, who wants
    to run for president, and Christopher Dodd of Connecticut and John
    Kerry of Massachusetts, who are so eloquent about the administration's
    disastrous adventure in Nicaragua.
    
    [Peter Maas is the author of "Serpico" and "The Valanchi Papers".
    He is writing a novel that involes Northern Ireland]
195.3ManipulationGAOV07::MHUGHESI got a mean wriggleThu May 07 1987 07:2059
    Leaprechauns are distant.
    
    Re .1
    This editorial like the second contains many truths and many
    falsehoods.
    E.G. The reference to Pearse Collins and De Valera, and their military
         uprising in 1916 and then to their guerilla war later.
    Pearse was executed by firing squad in May 1916, four days after
    he surrendured his insurrectionists. 1916 was an open declared conflict
    that would be akin to the sioux nation today occupying a large Western
    city in the U.S. and declaring war on the U.S. army. However they
    were treated as rebellious traitors not prisoners of war, and many
    of the leaders were executed. Collins played a very small role in
    1916. However to describe the warfare from 1918 - 1922 as guerilla
    is to give it a level of "respectability". It was more like present
    day El Salvador. Now to hurt some feelings, the truth is that Michael
    Collins was a ruthless leader of a military movement that was referred
    to then as "Terror Mongers". Yes my friends, they were terrorists,
    they shot policemen in reprisal for hangings. Their tactic was to
    kidnap the policeman first and hold him as a hostage for the condemned
    man, then "execute" him if the hanging proceeded. Many died in this
    faahion. Michael Collins had one remedy for informers - one bullet
    behind the left ear after a "republican court hearing". No
    knee-cappings in those days.  Many innocent people died in this
    fashion. Much use was made of explosive and people died in their
    use, and property was razed without warning in "discipline" actions.
    Michael Collins was a callous ruthless and totally effective soldier.
    He has come to be revered as a saint which he obviously was not,
    mostly because he died within six months of the Treaty. He had a
    short  day in the sun, he was almost unkown before 1919 and he was
    dead on Aug 22 1922. He was a great soldier, a poor politician,
    and a man who played the hardest game the hardest way he knew how
    to. That warfare was not much different than what goes on today.
    All that's really different is how its portrayed. Innocents will
    always die in conflicts, one side will always try to show that its
    the other side that kills innocents, thus justifying their actions
    by type of default. 
    
    Re .2              
    He writes from a more biased stance, having been to Belfast and
    as he said, having spent time in the company of paramilitaries.
    Although it might be asked whether the first writers were ever to
    Northern Ireland to write so authoritatively. I beleive he is
    correct in his analysis of the U.S. administration's stance towards
    their British counterparts. I also can associate with his portrayal
    of the British image as "lily-white peacemakers" in the popular
    propaganda of the media. The old injured innocence of the hurt
    oppressor. He mostly blames the uneven approach of the U.S. towards
    this conflict. He might be argueing on a higher plane than .1 in
    that he's trying to get access to a solution rather than trotting
    out the useless hackneyed condemnations that so bedevil this situation
    and prolong the agonising. However he is distant from the problem
    though I welcome his interest. He makes little or no mention of
    the internal strifes within the factions, nor to the brutal slayings
    that have happened. He is effective in his use of metaphor but not
    graphic enough.
    
    Snake wanted to say that.
    
195.4Irish MafiaEMC2::GOLDINGLa vie est dure sans confiture!Thu May 07 1987 09:2919
    Re. Editorial 2.
    
    Just to elaborate on one of Snake's final points. Are those who
    believe that the paramilitaries are a true army fighting for Ireland
    and her people in a just cause aware of the actual situation in
    N.I. I believe not! Can any organisition rightly claim respect when
    they are involved in blackmail, intimidation. Catholic shopkeepers
    are advised to contribute to the cause else risk losing their business
    or kneecapping or even death. In America those who contribute to
    N.I Republican causes do so out of their own free will. Many in
    N.I do not have such a choice. If they were really fighting for
    Ireland and the Irish people surely such funds would come readily
    and one would not have to resort to intimidation. 
      I am Irish, proud of it but I in no way see the paramilitaries
    as fighting for me or for Ireland. I am inclined to view them as
    a Irish version of the MAFIA. Pre 1969 this was different, and
    I believe it is unjust to view the old and new as one and the same.
    
    Fergal.
195.5Guerilla Days in IrelandFNYFS::AUNGIERRene El GringoThu May 07 1987 11:0924
    Mike what happened to you, have you got too much of the sun.
    
    Michael Collins was the greatest guerilla leader that ever lived
    and while you might not like him or what he did, he and his men
    did not kill too many innocent people.
    
    I worked with a old Dublin man who was a member of the I.R.A. and
    he told me a story of how 2 of his friends were killed by the Black
    and Tans, they had planted a bomb in a English officers house and
    when they heard there was a woman and child inside they went back
    to warn them to get out but by that time the Black and Tans had
    arrived and they were killed. They were honourable men and women.
    
    They shot informers, yes, etc and blew up army and police but then
    what did the Brits do, they let the criminals out of jail to fight
    the Irish, Black and Tans.
    
    Come on Mike, your interpretation of the old and the new are not
    correct, every historian knows that and they were popularly called
    Guerilla Days in Ireland
    
    
    Rene
    
195.6Bite yer tongue, MuldoonSUCCES::MULDOONI'll be right back... - GodotWed May 27 1987 21:2021
    
    Rene,
    
       I have a hard time taking you seriously when your comments are
    so blatantly biased. All I see is emotion and inflammatory language.
    Perhaps you have good points, but I for one tend to dismiss and
    ignore any dissertation that causes me to wade through the heat
    to get to the meat.
    
       Understand one thing, I take no side in this conflict. I do however,
    take great exception to the practice of justifying murder- on either
    side.
    
       In your previous reply you said:
    "Michael Collins....,he and his men did not kill too many innocent
    people"
       I realize that this was a long time ago, but tell me, just exactly
    how many do you consider to be too many?
                                            
    
                                                  Steve
195.7Live and SeeFNYFS::AUNGIERRene El GringoThu Jun 25 1987 08:2324
    RE. .6
    
    Steve,
    
    It is very easy to say I am blatantly biased but I am what some
    people might call a "Republican" and brought up to love the history,
    culture, language and games of my country, I was not brought up
    hating the Brits but as I grew a little older, I witnessed and
    experienced for myself their injustices.
    
    I once lived in Belfast when I was a student and It amased me how
    the Brits only hassle Catholics and members of the "Republican"
    movement. In the Catholic ghettos there are army barracks, police
    stations, army patrols but in the Protestant ghettos there are almost
    none.
    
    Please don't accuse me of being biased until you have witnessed
    or exprirenced what I did when I lived there.
    
    In war there are always innocent people killed, tell me where there
    has been a war and no innocent people killed.
    
    
    Rene