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Conference tallis::celt

Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1632
Total number of notes:20523

104.0. "Welsh Bomb Report" by TALLIS::DARCY (George @Littleton Mass USA) Tue Dec 09 1986 13:02

Associated Press Mon 08-DEC-1986 12:48                            Farmer-Bomb

   Farmer Removes Bomb Himself, Doesn't Want Field Trampled
   CLYDACH, Wales (AP) - A farmer said he carried an unexploded
World War II bomb off his land because he didn't want bomb disposal
experts trampling his newly sown grass seed.
   ``I know it was a silly thing to do, but it was just on the spur
of the moment,'' 46-year-old Gordon Griffiths said Monday, after
bomb experts defused the device and found its detonator still
intact.
   He said his pickax struck the bomb while he was working on his
100-acre farm near Swansea in south Wales during the weekend. He
called the bomb squad, but then picked up the 30-inch-long
projectile and carried it 60 yards to the edge of the field.
   Griffiths said he was ``sweating and frightened'' but guessed
that if his pickax hadn't detonated it, it was safe. ``I knew what
these police and bomb disposal people would be like, and I was
worried about my grass. I'm just a down-to-earth farmer and I
wanted to keep my land tidy.''
   A police spokesman who declined to be identified said: ``We
would not recommend anyone do what Mr. Griffiths did.''
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104.1A similar occurrence near GalwayTALLIS::DARCYGeorge @Littleton Mass USATue Dec 09 1986 13:2717
    Interestingly enough, a similar story as in Wales happened in
    Cois Fharrige section of Galway Ireland (near Spiddle) but with
    a more devastating outcome.
    
    My friend's grandfather's two brothers were playing with a WWI mine
    that had washed up along the shore.  Oftentimes, along Galway shores,
    various flotsam would arrive due to currents and the trade routes.
    Wood, crates of food, etc. were some of the treasures with which Galway
    children would play.
    
    Many children were playing with the huge German mine when it detonated from
    someone hitting it with a plank.  Twelve children were killed including
    Padraig O'Laoi (O'Lee) and Eamonn O'Laoi, two of my friend's relatives.
    
    Walking to the end of a boreen one can find a statue commemorating
    the misfortune which occurred around 1920.  A full account of the
    story is also told in an Irish story, whose name escapes me.   
104.2Get those metal detectors humming...TALLIS::DARCYGeorge @Littleton Mass USAFri Dec 12 1986 00:1934
Associated Press Wed 10-DEC-1986 18:33                       Ireland-Treasure

   Judge Orders Museum to Give Finder Treasure or Money
   DUBLIN, Ireland (AP) - A judge ordered Ireland's National Museum
on Wednesday to hand over an early Christian treasure to the
businessman who found it or pay him its value of $7.55 million.
   Finder Michael Webb of Clonmel, County Tipperary, could take the
treasure or the money, said Judge John Blayney of the Dublin High
Court.
   ``I am absolutely delighted but I haven't yet decided which
option to take,'' said Webb, 58, who found the gold and silver
altar vessels with a metal detector February 1980 on the site of a
national monument.
   He turned them over to the state-run museum and was later
offered $13,043 by the government.
   Dissatisfied with the sum, Webb went to court to contest the
museum's right to keep the treasure.
   ``I wouldn't say the decision was unexpected. It shows that
honesty finally pays,'' he said.
   Museum director Brendan O'Riordan called the judgment ``absurd''
and said, ``We will challenge it in the highest court in the land.''
   ``The judgment means that anyone who trespasses on someone
Associated Press Wed 10-DEC-1986 18:33              Ireland-Treasure (cont'd)

else's land and unlawfully excavates on an archaeological site
should be compensated for what they find,'' O'Riordan said.
   The appeal is expected to be heard in January and the museum
meanwhile will keep the treasure.
   The vessels - a jewel-studded chalice, a communion plate, wine
strainer and basin - were 9 inches below ground when Webb found
them, close to the ruins of a 5th century church at Littleton Bog
near Clonmel.
   During the hearing, an expert from Sotheby's art auctioneers
valued the find at between $6.8 million and $10.9 million.
104.3BackgroundGAOV07::MHUGHESI got a mean wriggleFri Dec 12 1986 06:0930
    Leaprechauns are pissed off at the short-sightedness.
    
    I was living in Clonmel at the time of the discovery. The Derrynaflan
    hoarde is the sigle most important archeological discovery of this
    century. It was also a very happy accident, in that if it were deeper
    in the ground it would still be there. I understand that the National
    Museum offered $150,000 (approx.) to the finder, but the government
    (whom I've always known to be weird), stipulated that $13,000 was
    the legal maximum. I also beleive that the finder would've accepted
    the museum's offer. However there are other side effects of this
    court decision.
          The court's decision is not that the finder OWN's the treasure,
    but that he has established "BETTER TITLE" to it than the museum
    has.
    THe following points are important :
    1. The finder did not own the property on which the find was made.
    2. He could have possibly been trespassing on the property without
       the landowner's knowledge at the time.
    3. There were two landowner's involved (I don't know why), and both
       have received and accepted $33,000 each from the museum by way
       of compensation.
    4. The landowner's did not claim the hoarde as their property, (which
       they are/were entitled to do so). They might now be disbarred
       from doing so (statute of limitations etc.).
    
    They way is now open for metal detector freaks to wreak havoc on
    ancient sites.
    
    Snake is not happy.