Title: | Celt Notefile |
Moderator: | TALLIS::DARCY |
Created: | Wed Feb 19 1986 |
Last Modified: | Tue Jun 03 1997 |
Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
Number of topics: | 1632 |
Total number of notes: | 20523 |
<<< 2B::NOTES1:[NOTES$LIBRARY]SOAPBOX.NOTE;1 >>> -< The New SOAPBOX >- ================================================================================ Note 289.0 Erin's Samhain 3 replies GORT::QUIGLEY 18 lines 22-OCT-1986 19:39 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was curious as to what sort of festivities are held during Samhain (sow-win) in Ireland. I figured since we have a few Box members from there and since most people love Halloween it might be a light but interesting topic! Being first generation American, I've missed out on some of the old traditions, some I hear like how bad the Brits were to my Grandmother's family, I can see why Ulster etc. is in turmoil. Anyways...Is it celerbrated with dressing up in costume and trick or treating? Is it the Irish new year? Do the people still hollow out potatoes and turnips instead of Jack-O-Lantern Pumpkins? ================================================================================ Note 289.1* Erin's Samhain 1 of 3 SWSNOD::RPGDOC "Dennis the Menace" 24 lines 23-OCT-1986 08:52 -< Colcannon >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know whether your question belongs in the TALLIS::NOTES$LIBRARY:CELT notesfile, or my reply should be in the TLE::COOKS file, but I have a recipe for something called "colcannon" which is a dish traditionally served on hallowe'en in Ireland. It goes sort of like this: cut up and boil (or steam) a cabbage peel and cook some mashed potatoes chop up some leeks and cook them in cream add some butter to the whole thing and mash it all together Tradition has it that you put things like a ring, a button, a penny, etc. and it means different things depending on who gets what in their portion. A button means a bachelor, a ring = marriage, or whatever. By the way, if you'd like to continue this in CELT, press KP7 or SELECT, but leave the Donnybrooks in the SOAPDISH. ================================================================================ Note 289.2 Erin's Samhain 2 of 3 MELODY::MCCLURE "Who Me???" 7 lines 23-OCT-1986 12:24 -< only *event* I recall >- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When I temporarily resided in Galway, it was *beggar's night*. Someone tried to convince me that the participants were all tinker's kids. But I didn't have to deal with it, the front door was the landlord's responsibility. Bob Mc ================================================================================ Note 289.3 Erin's Samhain 3 of 3 INK::KALLIS 6 lines 23-OCT-1986 13:35 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re .0: I understand it was rather livlier a thousand years ago... Steve Kallis, Jr.
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92.1 | METSYS::COCKBURN | Craig Cockburn | Thu Oct 31 1991 06:00 | 40 | |
Article 3471 of soc.culture.celtic: From: [email protected] (Michael S Newton) Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic Subject: Samhain (Halloween, etc) Although I did make a brief mention of it yesterday, I take Sorcha's comment to heart: there should be something mentioned, and hopefully discussed, about Samhain (Q-Celtic term, pronounced roughly "sow-win"), which is the Celtic New Year. The Celts had deeply engrained in their belief system the concept of the duality of nature, and this is well illustrated by their notions of time and space. The Celts basically saw time as having two halves, a dark and a light half (the dark coming first). The new day starts at sundown, and, likewise, the new year starts in the winter (the dark half of the year). Likewise, besides this world, the Celts believed in the Otherworld, a place of magic and mystic power, where the "sidhe" lived. The veil between the worlds was not very solid, but fairly thin: gods or goddesses might enter this world, perhaps changing into animal form, or luring men or women into the Otherworld. The opposing feasts of Samhain and Beltaine (May 1st) were the divisions between times of the year, and this division was reflected in the opening of space between the worlds as well: the doors to the Otherworld were opened, and mischievous spirits would come through into this world to wreak havoc, or just have a little fun. Today Halloween is the folk-remembrance of this celebration. Our dressing up (at least in America) as ghosts and ghouls reflects the haunting of spirits in this world. The jack o'lantern is a faint echo of the Celtic cult of the severed head, and apple-bobbing is an old Celtic divination rite (apples were strongly associated with the Otherworld: Welsh for "apple" is "aval", producing the name for "Avalon"). For more info, refer to my Celtic HyperCard presentation!! | |||||
92.2 | Samhain---Mischief time | YUPPY::BLAKEB | Brendan Blake@hhl | Thu Oct 31 1991 10:37 | 29 |
Custom has changed alot down the years, especially the way Samhain is celebrated. I remember when I was much younger some of the tricks that the local young boys used to get up to.... some I will not mention. On the Samhain night the boys used to gather together and terrorise the neighbours in some of the following fashion. Get a large bucket of water and place it at an angle against some ones front door. Now knock loudly and run off.....not a very nice one I know but it sure got the neighbours upset. Another was tying a piece of very fine thread to the door knocker and then giving it a quick tug or two while hiding behind a tree. Imagine the surprise on someones face when this happens a few times and there is nobody there, it must be the Faries calling again. One prank that was not popular with the victim was hurling either a large turnip or head of cabbage against a front door and then scampering before you were caught. For the younger generation there was and still is the party. This usually involved playing Dallog ( not sure if I have spelt it properly, but to some it is called Blind-Mans-Chase ), Dunking for fruit and listening to tall stories. One thing we were all warned against was never eat the sloes after Samhain because the local Bean_she will have peed on them all. regards Brendan | |||||
92.3 | This seasonal mischief is a pain. | MACNAS::JDOOLEY | Red-neck,and proud of it | Mon Nov 04 1991 08:04 | 11 |
I live with 2 elderly parents in a recently built up area,Our house stood on its own for 20 years before the rest were built. Naturally they got used to a certain level of peace and quiet before this. Now every hollowe'en they are very upset by the mischief that the kids get up to in the neighbourhood. I'm afraid for the kids if they get caught as my parents take this sort of thing very seriously indeed. I don't see the humour of it when kids disturb the peace that old people are entitled to. | |||||
92.4 | why not in oz? | TOLKIN::OROURKE | wait 'til midnite | Wed Nov 06 1991 18:19 | 13 |
Hi Everybody, I've got a question. My recently-made Australian friends tell me that Halloween isn't celebrated in their country. I find this kind of odd since rumor has it that a lot of Irish folks emigrated to Oz (by choice and otherwise :^) So, what's the deal? Why wouldn't the tradition of Samhain been brought along with them??? /Jen | |||||
92.5 | It's too hot | ALICAT::BOYLE | Personal name set hidden | Wed Nov 06 1991 21:24 | 19 |
Halloween is celebrated here in Australia only it's pretty low-key. Some kids dressed up and came around on the night but not too many. There are probably a few reasons why it isn't. 1. A lot of the people here are [decended from] English/British migrants. The Brits don't really celebrate Halloween, they prefer to wait until Guy Fawkes night (nov. 5th). 2. There are a lot of Aisan peoples here who wouldn't have a clue what it was all about. 3. We're on daylight saving time, it doesn't get dark until 9pm so there's not much point in the kids dressing up as witches to go out frightening people in broad daylight. 4. It's 31�C and it just doesn't 'feel' like halloween. Tony. | |||||
92.6 | Topsy turvy upside down. | MACNAS::JDOOLEY | Greedy? Me? Gimme that!!! | Fri Nov 08 1991 05:44 | 5 |
It would have to be celebrated on the 30th of April to have the right seasonal connotations. Looking at my map I see only Tasmania and New Zealand would be South enough to be dark early enough to make it authentic........... |