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Conference tallis::celt

Title:	Celt Notefile

Moderator:	TALLIS::DARCY

Created:	Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:	Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	1632
Total number of notes:	20523

69.0. "Libya gets it again." by ELGAR::DARCY (George Darcy) Fri Sep 05 1986 18:03

Interesting article about Libya/Ireland connection below.  I was suprised
    that Ireland would go this far seeing that Libya buys a lot of Irish
    beef.  I suppose this move was in response to the Hillsborough accord,
    or maybe even a concession to the accord?
    
    People say, though, that Libya is the biggest supplier, by
    far, to the IRA.
    
    Any comments?
    
Associated Press Thu 04-SEP-1986 19:09                          Ireland-Libya

   [1mIreland Bans Libyan Students Over IRA Support[m
   DUBLIN, Ireland (AP) - The government has barred Libyan students
because of Moammar Gadhafi's support for the outlawed IRA but about
300 already in Ireland will be allowed to complete their studies, an
official said Thursday.
   The ban was imposed in July but did not come to light until it
was reported Thursday in a Dublin newspaper.
   A Foreign Ministry spokesman, who spoke on condition of
anonymity, confirmed that the step was taken after Foreign Minister
Peter Barry sought assurances from Libya that it would not encourage
the Irish Republican Army.
   ``We were not satisfied with the Libyan response and decided to
make our feelings clear in this way,'' he said.
   A spokesman for the Dublin-based Libyan Students Congress said:
``The decision seems to have been taken because of pressure from
America and Britain.''
   In April, Britain expelled 300 Libyan student engineers and
pilots after a one of the student pilots said publicly that he would
be willing to take part in a raid on a British target.
   The Irish broadcasting network RTE quoted Gadhafi, the Libyan
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Associated Press Thu 04-SEP-1986 19:09                 Ireland-Libya (cont'd)

leader, as saying at the non-aligned summit in Zimbabwe that he
still supports the IRA but is not supplying it with arms.
   The IRA is fighting to drive the British out of Northern Ireland
and unite the mainly Protestant province with the overwhelmingly
Roman Catholic Irish Republic. It is illegal in both the Irish
Republic and in Northern Ireland.

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
69.1	Right on	COIN::LEONHARDT	Dick Leonhardt	`Sat Sep 06 1986 17:46`	4
	If K-daffy wants to support terroism and if the Libyians want K-daffy, then they must accept that most people will not want them. I care not if its the IRA, the UDL, the Red Brigade, or whatever. Shoot them all.
69.2	Right off !	GAOV08::MAGIC	Conor Moran - Galway	`Mon Sep 08 1986 05:29`	15
	Re .1 : <Shoot them all> I'm afraid that is exactly the twisted thinking that prompted the American raids on Libya in the first place. They hit us so it must be O.K. for us to hit them back. I don't think that kind of tripe will lead to anything useful. What the Irish government did in refusing any more visas to Libyian students was to indicate peacefully its concern at their voiced support for terrorism and they didn't need to kill any innocent men, women or children to do it. This was no small step either, as Ireland exports large quantities of beef to Libya and the last thing we our farming industry needs now is for these to have been placed in jeopardy, which they may well now have been. <CFM>
69.3	NUTS	COIN::LEONHARDT	Dick Leonhardt	`Mon Sep 08 1986 15:34`	5
	Re .2 : I was referring to terrorists, not Libyians. I suppose we should take this latest group from the Pan Am incident, pat them on the back and congratulate them on a job well done.
69.4		GAOV08::MAGIC	Conor Moran - Galway	`Thu Sep 11 1986 07:02`	11
	RE .3 : I didn't for one minute think that you did mean Libyians. .2 was not directed at you personally, rather the attitude such remarks do tend to typify. Saying 'Shoot the terrorists' in itself still indicates a desire for reciprocal terrorism. I'm sorry to harp on the point, but I do feel strongly about this. <CFM>
69.5	It's about time.	AKOV04::WILLIAMS		`Thu Oct 02 1986 09:07`	2
	Me thinks Ireland is coming around, at last. Siding with the Nazis must have left a bit of a taste in the mouths of my Irish friends.
69.6		TSC01::MAILLARD		`Fri Oct 03 1986 04:35`	6
	Re .5: You might like to stir shit, but do you have to twist History in such a way as well? Ireland never sided with the nazis, she just had a most difficult time preventing GB and the US to involve her in a war which was none of her business. She remained strictly neutral, not the way Franco understood neutrality for Spain, for example. Denis.
69.7		AKOV04::WILLIAMS		`Mon Oct 06 1986 10:46`	4
	Your interpretation of the writings of WW II is different from mine. While making no claims to a historian of the subject war I still believe that Ireland did side with Hitler's Germany against the U.K.
69.8		TSC01::MAILLARD		`Mon Oct 06 1986 10:56`	4
	Re .7: Would you please elaborate and prove that? I'm pretty sure many Irish people reading this file will be strongly interested in your vision of WWII history. Denis.
69.9	IT IS NOT TRUE	FNYFS::AUNGIER	Rene Aungier, Ferney-Voltaire, France	`Wed Feb 04 1987 04:01`	12
	Ireland did not side with the Nazis, to say so shows your ignorance of Irish history during and before the 2nd World War. Many Germans who parachuted into Ireland were interned in internment camps. The Germans tried to get the help of the I.R.A. to heat things up in Northern Ireland during the war years. The I.R.A. were badly organised ate the time and did little or nothing to help the Germans. Also the Irish government took a firm stance at the time to stay neutral as Eamonn De Valera's speech on radio clearly indicated to Churchill. Rene
69.10	Nurtality is often Misunderstood	KAOFS::MUX_USER		`Wed Feb 04 1987 14:15`	14
	Does anyone have a transcript of DEVs speech...especially the part where he elaborated on the end justifying the means....[This referred to Churchills claim that Britain needed the seaports for their own use, and intimated that they intended taking them, by force, if need be.] Although I have no great love for Dev, or what he stood for, that speech remains in my mind as one of the most eloquent portrayals of statesmanship I have heard, ranking with Kennedys "ask not" speech and Kings "I have a dream" speech. Mike McCrohan @KAO
69.11		TSC01::MAILLARD		`Thu Feb 05 1987 02:46`	6
	Re .10: I've never read the whole speech, but I read large extracts of it, particularly the part you're referring to, in Dev's biography by the earl of Longford and (I think, not sure of the name) Thomas P. O'Neil. If I manage to remember it, I'll post here the book references next Monday. Denis.
69.12	I know T.P.	GAOV07::MHUGHES	I got a mean wriggle	`Mon Feb 09 1987 12:23`	12
	Leaprechauns might be able to work on this one too. On Dennis Maillard's reference to the authors of DeValera's biography. Thomas P. O'Neill is indeed the co-author of this book with Lord Longford (Thomas Packenham). T.P. O'Neill is a professor of history at University College Galway and is a near neighbour of mine in Claregalway. he lives about a 500 meters from my front door. He often walks by my house on weekends. Next time I see him I'll ask him if he has the text handy. Snake is good for something.