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Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
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4.0. "Genealogical Research" by BRAHMS::DARCY (George Darcy) Thu Feb 20 1986 01:08

The following note was copied from the Genealogy notesfile.
It has some interesting information concerning researching
Irish ancestors.  Thanks to Don Miller...


----------------------- Note #5   Access to foreign info?-----------------------

   5-SEP-1985 13:40           EARTH::STEWART      

	Does anyone know where to write to get information about ancestors
that lived in foreign countries. For instance Some of my ancestors came from
Northern Ireland, but I have no idea who to send to for information.

	It would be nice if we had a way to contact other DEC employees in
Europe to see if they could do some leg work for us...

				regards
				 Bill Stewart

--------------------------------- Response #1 ---------------------------------

   5-SEP-1985 13:52           OLEMIS::MILLER      

	Yeah--I've thought about the fact that DEC is world wide myself.
Being somewhat cynical, I suspect that one would have trouble convincing
an employee in some other location to do research unless that employee had
something to gain by doing it.  And, unfortunately, some of this type of 
research can be a little tedious at times.  Still, if you knew exactly where 
to look, maybe some kind person would do a quick look up for you.  Maybe this
file could be used to establish some sort of internal genealogical "club" 
whose members would be willing to do research for one another?  Anybody need 
something looked up in Massachusetts?  :-)
	To find ancestors in other countries, you need to have some idea of 
where they came from within that country.  (Imagine, for example, if all you 
knew about someone was that they immigrated from the United States; where 
would you look?)  If your Irish relatives were here in 1900, look them up in 
the 1900 Federal Census.  Included in that census was the year that each 
person immigrated to the United States and whether or not they were 
naturalized once they got here.  (An aside:  female immigrants were frequently 
not naturalized; evidentally it was considered sufficient for the head of 
household, who was ususally male, to be naturalized).  Now, try to find out as 
much other information as you can about your relative after his/her arrival in 
the United States.  The ultimate objective is to find the naturalization 
record for that individual.  I have not tried this myself, but from what I 
gather, this isn't necessarily a trivial undertaking.  Suppose, for example, 
that Uncle Fred and Aunt Martha decided to spend a weekend in Wapokaneta, 
Ohio, and get naturalized.  In other words, there is no guarantee that just 
because they lived in Boston, that they were naturalized in Boston.  The 
naturalization papers are stored with the Federal Court in the city where the 
naturalization occurred.  These papers will probably contain the name of the 
city in the foreign country from which the person immigrated.  Okay, so now 
you have the city and country, and from the 1900 census you can get the month 
and year in which the person was born.  You are now ready to write to Ireland
for more information.
	Ireland was one country until fairly recently, so some records which
pertain to Northern Ireland are still available only from Dublin.  The Irish 
government passed a law in 1855 which required central registration of births 
and deaths.  So, if your ancestor was born since 1855, you can write to Dublin 
to get a copy of the birth certificate.  (I will put the address in the next 
reply).  The current cost is about $3.00 per copy.  Be sure to allow *plenty* 
of time; I sent a request over at the beginning of July and still haven't 
gotten a response.  It would probably facilitate things if you got an 
international money order instead of a personal check.
	Hope this helps you out.

				Don

--------------------------------- Response #2 ---------------------------------

   5-SEP-1985 14:18           OLEMIS::MILLER      

Address for obtaining Irish birth and death certificates:

	General Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages
	8-11 Lombard Street East
	Dublin 2, Ireland

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4.1There could be money in it ...PASTIS::MONAHANFri Feb 21 1986 11:4713
    	... no use to me, but I see about a dozen Monahans in the ELF
    database....
    
    	When my grandfather was a kid a Monahan died in Australia, leaving
    *lots* of money and no known heirs. My grandfather spent some time
    around 1910 trying to prove a relationship, and never got anywhere,
    and thr trail is 70 years colder now. He traced us back to 1794
    in Wexford.
    
    	I am told that under Australian law the money is held in trust
    (with interest paid) indefinately, until claimed.
    
    	Dave
4.2Searching in Ireland25066::REILLEYReilSun May 18 1986 01:3755
	; Re-posted with the author's premission:


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Re: .0

I recently came across the following information in a Northern 
Ireland Tourist Board brochure and remembered I had seen request 
for same here:

	"Finding out where your Ulster ancestors lived 
	can be a fascinating part of your holiday & there
	are professional genealogists to help you with the
	research.

	Heritage holidays (groups or individuals) are also 
	arranged by the Irish Genealogical Association,
	162a Kingsway, Dunmurry, Belfast BT17 9AD (tel Belfast
	629595)

	Other organisations that can help are:

		Ulster Historical Foundation,
		66 Balmoral Avenue,
		Belfast    BT9 6NY

		General Register Office,
		Oxford House,
		49-55 Chichester Street,
		Belfast    BT1 4HL

		Presbyterian Historical Society,
		Church House,
		Fisherwick Place,
		Belfast    BT1 6DU

	Collect together as many facts as possible before 
	putting pen to paper - and all those bodies mentioned
	appreciate a s.a.e. (or international reply coupon)
	with your letter of enquiry."

As a point of clarification it is unlikely that the above bodies would be
able to assist if your ancestors come from those counties of Ulster 
(Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan) which are part of the Irish Republic.


Liam Ferrie - Galway
4.3REVERSE ROOTS!!GAOV08::MCGUINNESSMon Jun 02 1986 10:475
    HI, I HAVE A REVERSE PROBLEM.
    MY GRANDFATHER AND TWO OF MY FATHERS BROTHERS EMIGRATED TO N.Y.CITY
    EARLY THIS CENTURY.WE LOST CONTACT. I MAY HAVE A NUMBER OF RELATIVES
    IN N.Y.TODAY.THE ONLY INFO. I HAVE IS THAT THEY HAD A BAKERY SOMEWHERE
    IN DOWNTOWN N.Y. HOW COULD I GO ABOUT TRACING THEM? ANY IDEAS?
4.4RootsGROFE::DARCYGeorge DarcyMon Jun 02 1986 11:2113
    It would help if you knew if they were naturalized or not, since
    their naturalization papers are readily available.  This would give
    you one of their first addresses.  From there I'd look at census
    records (both national and local).  Read the notes on genealogy
    - do a "directory/all/keyword=genealogy".  This should give you
    more info.
    
    Also, why don't you start by listing the names, and birthdates 
    (if possible), etc. of your relatives.  I go down to the federal
    records center every month or so to do my own research.  I wouldn't
    mind doing a little searching around.
    
    S�oirs�
4.5Co. Clare AncestorsILOV02::GQUINNMon Jun 09 1986 09:1615
    If anyone is fortunate enough to have ancestors from the County
    of Clare, you are in Luck if you are serious about tracking them
    down. 
    The founders of the "Clare heritage Centre", located in 
    Corofin, in Co. Clare have spent the last twenty years pulling
    to-gether are the available records within County Clare, church
    state etc., This data base can be searched on receipt of a 
    completed application form. I can forward an application form to
    anyone who is interested and then its to you.
    Serious consideration is now being given to extending this service
    to the country as a whole, so that the rest of the country is as
    fortunate !
    
    Now...No panic, all will be looked after !
    
4.6I'll take one ...ENGGSG::BURNSStep It Out Mary ....Mon Jun 09 1986 10:5614
    
    
    	George: 
    
    			Please send me the form.
    
    
    			Kevin Burns
    			MK02-1/G17
    
    
     keVin
    
    
4.7a McNamaraCOIN::LEONHARDTDick LeonhardtMon Jun 09 1986 17:2712
    
    
    Me too!
    
                      Dick Leonhardt
                      OGO1-2/F16
    
    
    
        Thanks,
    
        Dick
4.8 Send Clare-fying Form20812::FOLEYThu Jun 30 1988 09:437
    Me Three!
    
    			Anne Foley
    			BPO2
    
    Thanx.
    
4.9You're still waiting!!!GAO::FERRIELiam Ferrie - GalwayFri Jul 22 1988 13:5416
    Re: .8

    George claims to be too busy to read NOTES files these days
    and was not aware of your request.  He suggests that you
    write to: 

		Naoise Cleary,
		Corofin Heritage Centre,
		Corofin,
		Co.Clare.
                
    for an application form and to tell him that George advised
    you so. 
                        

    Liam 
4.10Tell him keVin says hello ...STEREO::BURNSWake up and smell the TurfFri Jul 22 1988 14:4315
    
    
    
    	Liam: I have provided the form to those people who requested
              a copy.
    
              I think that "Quinn Character" is too busy with politics,
    	      and monitoring Aran Energy stocks ....
    
              Those Ballyvaughan people are all alike  !!!!	:-)
                                                            
    
    
    	keVin
    
4.11More good info ...STEREO::BURNSClare will be fine in 89&#039;Fri Sep 16 1988 15:11604
    
    	Copied with permission from the Genealogy Notefile .....
    
    


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    Another interesting set of files that I grabbed from the DownEast BBS
    contains information on Irish genealogical research.  This is in four
    parts: a general overview, a description of Irish church records, a
    description of Irish censuses (censii?) and alternatives to use when
    the census you need is missing, a description of Irish civil
    registration records, and a description of Irish land and probate
    records.  Each part is a separate reply to this note.   All articles
    were written by Roberta Gaynor.  I've done some cleanup of the
    formatting and spelling, but they are otherwise unchanged.
    
    Tom
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                Finding the Origin of Your Ancestors in Ireland
                                 Roberta Gaynor


I.   Learn everything possible about the immigrant and his family from North 
     American records.  It is nearly impossible to trace ancestors without
     first knowing the place of origin in Ireland.  You will want to have
     search every possible source for clues as to this place of origin before
     you begin research in Irish records.  If you do this it will greatly
     improve your chance of success in doing Irish research.

     a. vital records (family records - old letters)
     b. obituaries 
     c. church records
     d. land records
     e. naturalization records
     f. immigration records
     g. military records
     h. court records 
     i. counties or local histories
     j. probate records
     k. census records

II. Facts to keep in mind:

     a. There were no exact sailing schedules as late as 1850.  This resulted
        in some people moving for a short time to a seaport town.  Main 
        seaports towns are: Belfast, Dublin, Cork, and Waterford.

     b. Many small ships took people to England (especially Liverpool) to 
        await a larger ship going to America.  Some people may have remained in 
        England for a short period.

     c. Place names may have been misheard, misspelled, or misquoted.

     d. Traditions may be entirely incorrect.

     e. Emigrants often moved in groups.  If you cannot get the place of 
        origin for your ancestor, trace one or more of the families who might
        have moved with him or lived near him.  They often stayed near each
        other after settling in North America.

     f. Few emigration records exist for people leaving Ireland.  There are no
        official records for emigration from Ireland to North America prior to 
        1815.  Your best source would be United States or Canadian immigration 
        records. 

     g. History is important because conditions in certain parts of the 
        country (Ireland) might have been causes for emigration.

III. If, after exhausting all American records, you have not determined the 
     place of origin in Ireland, there are several general indexes for Ireland 
     which could be consulted. 

     a. Civil Registration. 1845-present. Genealogical Society. 

     b. Surname Index to Tithe Applotment Records (c. 1830). Ireland. 

     c. Surname Index to the Valuation Records (c. 1850-55. Ireland. 

     d. Registry of Deeds, Surname Index, 1708-1904. Genealogical Society. 

     e. Probate Indexes.  These are not always for the entire country but 
        rather for ecclesiastical areas and may be found useful in locating 
        residence.  Genealogical Society. 

     f. General books about Irish surnames. Genealogical Society. 

     g. Index to the Collections at the Genealogical Office n Dublin. 
        Genealogical Society. 

     h. Index to the Collections at the Public Record Office in Belfast. 
        Genealogical Society.

IV.  Determine the jurisdiction of your place in Ireland in as much detail as
     possible.  The following jurisdictions will -all- be important and should 
     be determined: 

     a. Province - there are four provinces in Ireland consisting of several
        counties each.  They are: Ulster, Leinster, Connaught, and Munster. 

     b. County - there are 32 counties in Ireland.  There are two counties 
        that have changed their names, Leix or Laoighis or Laois formerly
        Queen's County and Offoly (Ua Failghe) formerly King's County. 

     c. Barony - the barony is usually an area of land within a county.  It is
        based on old tribal jurisdictions.  There are 325 baronies. 

     d. Diocese - this is an ecclesiastical division. There are 28 dioceses for
        the Church of Ireland.  The boundary of each diocese does not always 
        correspond to the counties boundaries. 

     e. Parish - this is a smaller division of diocese.  It can contain 
        several towns or cities or there may be many parishes in a large city.  
        There were 2,447 parishes in Ireland.

     f. City and/or town - this is civil jurisdiction. 

     g. Townland - these are small parcels of land which sometimes represent
        small farms or acreage.  There are about 60,000 of them.

V. For additional information, there are several printed works.

     a. Margaret Dickson Falley. "Irish and Scotch-Irish Ancestral  Research",
        2 volumes, 1961-62.

     b. Wallace Clare, "A Simple Guide to Irish Genealogy", 3rd edition,  1966.

     c. Patrick Henchy, "Irish Emigration to North America for the Past  Three
        Centuries", World Conference on Records Paper, 1969.

     d. Heraldic Artists Ltd., "Handbook on Irish Genealogy", 1973.

Jurisdictions can be determined by using the following reference books:

     - "1871 Census Alphabetical Index to the Towns and Townlands of  Ireland",
        1877.  Excellent and most useful Irish reference book.  It lists each
        townland alphabetically and gives the parish, county, and barony for 
        each one.  There is also an alphabetical index by parish and barony.
        Very helpful.

     - "Topographical Dictionary of Ireland", by Samuel Lewis, 1837.  Gives 
        details on parishes.

     - "County Maps of Ireland, Showing Civil and Catholic Parishes and 
        Baronies", prepared by the National Library of Ireland, Dublin.

     - "Special Report on Surnames in Ireland, Together with Varieties and 
        Synonymes and Christian Names in Ireland" by Sir Robert E. Matheson, 
        Baltimore, Genealogical Publishing Co, 1968.  This book should be
        checked to determine the different spellings and variations of
        surnames.

Additional references:

     "A Simple Guide to Irish Genealogy" compiled by Rev. Wallace Clare,  1937,
     3rd edition, revised by Rosemary Ffollitt, 1966, Irish Genealogical 
     Research Society, c/o The Irish Club, 82 Eaton Square, London, SW 1.

     "Irish and Scotch Irish Ancestral Research" by Margaret Dickson Falley. 2
     vols, Strasbourg, Virginia, 1962.

     "A History of Ireland", Edmund Curtis, 1936.
    
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         Irish Census Records and Substitutes for Missing Censuses
                              Roberta Gaynor



I. Background

Religious census returns for certain places were taken in the 18th Century (c.
1740-66).  These were some of the first census returns in Ireland and some
still survive today.  However, the first complete census returns were taken in
1813.  This enumeration was followed by others in 1821, 1831, and every ten
years thereafter until 1911.  Most of these census returns have been destroyed. 
The 1901 census is the first complete census in existence today.  Although many
of the census records were destroyed, there are some substitutes that may be
helpful.


II.  Content ( available censuses only)

A. Religious censuses (1740-66) vary in their details, but may include the 
   heads of households, parish by parish, and indicate their religion; or may 
   give statistics only.  Some returns are available for Dioceses such as 
   Ardagh, Armagh, Clogher, Cloyne, Connor, Cork, Derry, Dromore, Down, 
   Elphin, Ferns, Kildare, Kilmore, Ossory, Raphoe and Ross.

B. 1821 Census gives names of inhabitants, relation to head, ages, 
   occupations, and information about the house and property.  Some returns 
   are available for parishes A-M, County Gavan; A-D, County Offaly; A-R, 
   Fermanagh; A-L, Galway; A-T, Meath.

C. 1831 Census gives names of inhabitants, relation to head, ages, 
   occupations, and information about the house and property.  Some returns 
   are available for the following parishes in Londonderry County: Agevey, 
   Aghanloo, Arboe, Artrea, Benagher, Glendermot, Killowen, Macosquin, 
   Tamlaght-Finlagen, Templemore, and Termoneeny.

D. 1841 Census gives names of inhabitants, ages, sex, relation to head, 
   marital condition, year of marriage, occupation and birthplace (country, 
   county, or city).  The only return available is for Killeshandra Parish, 
   County Cavan. 

E. 1851 Census gives the same information as the 1841 plus a list of those 
   people belonging to the family that are not present (including their names, 
   ages, sex, relation to head, present occupation, and country, county, or 
   city of current residence) and a list of those family members who died 
   while residing with the family during the last 10 years (including names, 
   age, sex, relation to head, occupation, season and year of death).  Returns 
   are available for Drumkeeran, County Fermanagh and the following parishes 
   in County Antrim: Aghagallon, Aghalee, Ballinderry, Ballymoney, Carncartle,
   Craigs (Ahoghill), Dunaghy, Grange of Killyglen, Killead,  Kilwaughter,
   Larne, Rasharkin, and Tickmacreevin.

F. 1901 Census gives name of inhabitants, relation to head, religion, age, 
   sex, occupation, marital condition, birthplace (country, county, or city), 
   information on house and property including the name of the lease holder.  
   This census is available in its entirety.

G. 1911 census gives same information as the 1901 plus the number of years 
   married, total number of children born alive, and number of children still 
   living. This census is also entirely available.


III.  Availability

A. Most of the existing census records are on film at the Genealogical Society
   up to 1901.  For the 1911 census, only parts of County Antrim are at the
   Genealogical Society.

B. In Ireland, these records are found at the Public Record Offices in Belfast
   and Dublin and the Genealogical Office in Dublin.


IV. Substitutes

A. "Old Age Pensioner's Claims" (1841-51).  In 1908 the Old Age Pension Act 
   was passed and with this act came the need for proof of age.  In many 
   instances, census returns of 1841 and 1851 were used.  In some cases, 
   actual extracts are available for these censuses.  In most cases, Old Age 
   Pension Search Forms are all that survive.  These search forms ask for the 
   claimant's name, father, mother, exact address when census was taken, age 
   in census, age at claim, and census year for which the search is requested. 
   These records exist primarily for Northern Ireland and most are on film at 
   the Genealogical Society. 

B. "Tithe Applotment Books" (1823-38).  This record provides a detailed 
   account, parish by parish, of the land occupiers in each townland and 
   includes the extent and value of their individual farms.  Those in urban 
   areas are not included.  The Tithe Applotment Books for all of Ireland are 
   on microfilm at the Genealogical Society.  Indexes for these records are 
   available at the Public Record Offices in Belfast and the National Library 
   in Dublin.

C. Griffith's Valuation (1848-64).  This government survey of all privately 
   held lands and buildings was taken to determine the amount of tax that each 
   person should pay toward support of the poor and destitute in each Poor Law 
   Union.  All occupiers or tenants, and the immediate lessors of all lands, 
   buildings, etc. for private or business use were liable for the tax.  In 
   some areas, these valuations start in 1839; but the majority exist from 
   1848-64.  Such information as the name of tenants, lessor, townland, 
   parish, and tax will be found on these records.  They exist for all of 
   Ireland and for the most part are available at the Genealogical Society.  An 
   index by surname by parish and county is available at the National Library 
   of Ireland in Dublin.

D. School Records (c. 1850-1920).  These are primarily records of public 
   schools and include names of pupils, ages, religion, days absent or 
   present, occupation of parents, residence of family, and the name of the 
   school.  Sometime the name of the county and school last attended may be 
   given or the cause of withdrawal and destination of the pupil.  Most of 
   these records are indexed and are at the Public Record Office in Dublin and 
   Belfast or the Genealogical Office in Dublin.  The Genealogical Society has 
   microfilmed many of those available from Northern Ireland.
    
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                           Irish Church Records 
                              Roberta Gaynor

I. Background

1541     Henry VIII becomes King of Ireland
1560     Episcopalian Church becomes state Church of Ireland under Elizabeth I 
1605-9   Ulster plantation.  Many Scotch Irish Presbyterians into Ulster.
1619     Earliest known Church of Ireland Parish Registers (St. John, Dublin).
1634     Law passed requiring Episcopalian registers to be kept.
mid1600  Quakers, Congregationalists, Baptists start movements.
1674     Oldest known Presbyterian Registers (Antrim, Co. Antrim)
1695     Penal Laws against Catholics
1703     More penal laws.  Catholics forbidden to keep registers.
1750s    Some urban Catholic registers start.  Many Episcopalian registers 
         begin.  Methodist movement gets under way.
1800-1   Ireland became part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and 
         Ireland.
1819     Presbyterian records required to be kept.
1829     Emancipation of Catholics.  Many Catholic records begin.
1871     Disestablishment of the Church of Ireland.
1876     Law passed requiring Anglican registers be turned into the Public 
         Record Office in Dublin.
1878     Law of 1876 amended allowing those with suitable storage facilities 
         to retain their records.
1922     Separate records repositories set up for Northern Ireland.  Public 
         Records Office at Four Courts, Dublin is burned.  Many Episcopalian 
         records destroyed.

II. Content

A. Christenings and/or births: name, christening and/or birth place and date,
   parents' names, including mothers maiden names (Church of Ireland records
   do not give maiden names), residence and occupation, witnesses or sponsors.

B. Marriages: name of both parties, date and place of marriage, residence of 
   both parties, witnesses.

C. Burials: names, burial place and date, residence and age, parents' names 
   (usually only for infants).

III. Availability

A. Church of Ireland (Episcopalian) About 50 percent of these records are 
   extant today as many were destroyed in 1922.  Many Northern Ireland 
   parishes never sent theirs in.  Records usually begin about 1750-1800.  A
   fairly complete listing of those registers now extant and their place of
   deposit will be found in Falley's book.

   1. Most records are in local custody.  (See "Crockford's Clerical
      Directory" for addresses.)

   2. Some records or transcripts are available at the Public Record Offices,
      Fourt Courts, Dublin, Eire; and Law Courts Building, May Street,
      Belfast, Northern Ireland.

   3. LDS Genealogical Society has some printed copies.

B. Roman Catholic.  Records from about 1750, with most starting about 1830, 
   are all extant.  Many of these records are in Latin.

   1. Originals are in local custody.  (See any good Catholic directory for
      addresses.)

   2. Microfilm copies of originals, except those from Dublin Diocese, are on
      film at the National Library of Ireland, Kildare Street, Dublin, Eire.
      Access to these records is only through the staff at the Genealogical
      Office.  Inquiries should be addressed to the Chief Herald, Genealogical
      Office, Dublin Castle, Dublin, Eire.

   3. LDS Genealogical Society is obtaining copies of those records at the
      National Library.

C. Presbyterian.  Records generally start about 1800 and all are extant.  A 
   fairly complete listing will be found in Falley's book.

   1. Originals are mostly in local custody with some of the very early ones
      at the Presbyterian Historical Society, Church House, Fisherwick Place,
      Belfast, Northern Ireland.  Addresses of ministers may also be obtained
      from the above named organization,.

   2. Some microfilm copies are available at the Public Record Office in 
      Belfast.

   3. LDS Genealogical Society has some printed copies.

D. Society of Friends.  Records date from c.1670 and are quite good.

   1. Records and indexes from Eire are housed at the Friends House Library, 6
      Eustace Street, Dublin.  (See "Guide to Irish Quaker  Records" by Olive
      C. Goodbody.)

   2. Records and indexes for Northern Ireland are at the Friends' Meeting
      House, Railway Street, Lisburn. 

   3. LDS Genealogical Society has many transcript copies of the original
      records arranged in alphabetical order.

E. Methodist (Wesleyan).  Records exist after 1878.  Before that time, 
   Methodists were mostly recorded in the Church of Ireland or Presbyterian
   registers.  Methodist records after 1878 are in local custody.

F. Other Denominations (Baptists, Congregationalists).  Many of these groups 
   came to Ireland about 1640 as soldiers with Cromwell.  Records are 
   generally in local custody.

NOTE:  An excellent guide to Irish Church records is Margaret Dickson Falley's 
"Irish and Scotch-Irish Ancestral Research".
    
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                           Irish Civil Registration
                                Roberta Gaynor

I. On 1 April 1845, the registering of Protestant (non-Catholic) marriages 
   began in Ireland, Nineteen years later, 1 January 1864,the registering of
   all births, marriages, and deaths became mandatory.  As in England, Ireland
   was divided into Registration Districts, each of which was under the
   supervision of a Superintendent registrar.  These registrars took down the
   information and sent a copy to the Registrar General.  The family could also
   purchase a copy of the certificate.  In 1922, when six of the counties of
   Ulster voted to remain with the United Kingdom, two registries were
   established.

II. Content of the records

     A. Births

        Name (if given); when and where born including sex; father's name, 
        surname, occupation and residence; mother's name including maiden 
        surname; informant's signature, qualification, and residence; 
        baptismal name and date if added after registration of birth.

     B. Marriages

        Names of both parties; marriage date and place; age of both parties 
        (sometimes "full" etc); marital status, occupation, and residence of 
        both parties; name and occupation of the father of the bride and 
        groom; denomination performing the marriage; signature of both parties
        and witnesses.

     C. Deaths

        Name and surname; when and where died; sex, age, and marital 
        condition; occupation (varies with age and sex of deceased); cause of
        death and duration of illness; informant's signature, qualification and
        residence.

III. Availability

     A. The certificate and indexes for Protestant marriages 1845-64; all 
        births, marriages, and deaths of Ireland 1864-1922; and births, 
        marriages, and deaths of the Republic of Ireland 1922-present are with 
        the Registrar General in Dublin.  All inquiries should be addressed to:

                    The Registrar General
                    Custom House
                    Dublin C.10 Eire

     B. The certificate and indexes for all births, marriages, and deaths for 
        Northern Ireland (includes the six counties of Antrim, Armagh, Down, 
        Fermanagh, Londonderry, and Tyrone) from 1922 to the present are with
        the Registrar General in Belfast.  All inquiries should be addressed
        to:

                    The Registrar General
                    Central Register Office
                    Fermanagh House
                    Ormeau Avenue 
                    Belfast, BT2 8HK
                    Northern Ireland

     C. The LDS Genealogical Society has microfilm copies of the following:

          Area                Record    Indexes        Certificates

          All Ireland          B        1864-1921      1864-Mar 1881,
                               B                       1900-1913    
                               M        1845-1921      1845-1870
                               D        1864-1921      1864-1870
          Republic of Ireland  B        1922-1958      1930-1955
                               M        1922-1958      none    
                               D        1922-1958      none
          Northern Ireland     B        1922-1959      1922-1959
                               M        1922-1959      1922-1959
                               D        1922-1959      1922-1959

IV. Peculiarities

     A. Indexes and certificates  were kept on an annual basis until 1878.  
        Beginning with 1878, both indexes and certificates were kept on a 
        quarterly basis.

     B. There are supplemental volumes of births, deaths, and marriages up to 
        1870.  These are arranged at random by registration district.

     C. Superintendent Registrars may or may not give out copies of 
        certificates.  They are generally more willing in Northern Ireland.

     D. Many births in Ireland may be listed as just "male" or "female" with 
        the surname.  A person may be given one given name at birth and another 
        at the christening.,  Use caution in searching the indexes.

     E. Surnames are problems because of accents dialects, and spelling      
        errors.  Again use caution in the indexes.  Watch for all variations.
    
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Note 271.5                       Irish Research                           5 of 6
BOSTAC::MORRIS "Tom Morris"                          86 lines   2-SEP-1988 17:59
                       -< Irish Land & Probate Records >-
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                     IRISH LAND AND PROBATE RECORDS 
                             Roberta Gaynor


LAND RECORDS

A. Registry of Deeds

   1. It was established for the protection of the purchases of land.  It 
      began recording deeds 25 March 1708 and continues to the present.  The 
      Registry is housed at: Registry of Deeds; Henrietta Street; Dublin 
      Ireland.

   2. The records contain deeds of sale, mortgages, transfer leases, 
      conveyances, and sometimes wills.

   3. There are two index series to these records.  The Names Index to 
      Grantors (Seller) and the Lands Index.  The LDS Genealogical Society has 
      both of these on microfilm.

   4. The LDS Genealogical Society also has what is called "Transcript of 
      Memorials of Deeds" on microfilm.  These are detailed abstracts of the 
      original documents.

B. Estate Records

   1. Most of the land in Ireland was held by large land owners.  The  records
      of their estates can be very helpful.

   2. These records contain the following typed documents: Rent Rolls, leases,
      rent ledgers, maps, wage books, land agents, notebooks, etc.

   3. A few estate records are available at LDS Genealogical Society.  Many at
      Public Record Offices in Dublin and Belfast.  Many are still in local 
      custody.  "Analecta Hibernica" Volumes 15, 20, and 25 (941.5 B2ah) 
      contains a "Survey of Documents in Private Keeping".

C. Griffith's Valuation (1848-68).  This was a survey made by the government to
   determine the amount of tax that each rate should pay to support the upkeep
   of the poor.  Arranged by Poor Law Union it lists the following information:
   name of lessor, each occupies or tenant, townland or city, parish, holdings
   and tax.  These are all available at LDS Genealogical Society.  The National
   Library of Ireland has prepared a surname index arranged by parish and
   county.

                                  ****



PROBATE RECORDS (from Paul F. Smart)

I. 1536 to 1858 -- Wills were probated in one of two ecclesiastical 
   jurisdictions: Perogative (covers all Ireland) or Diocesan (one for each of
   the 28 dioceses). Many of these wills were destroyed, but some useful 
   material is still extant.

   A. Perogative Court of Armagh
      1. Original and printed indexes 1536-1858 (LDS-GS)
      2. Scattered few original wills, 18th century (LDS-GS)
      3. Betham's Abstracts of Wills, pre-1800 (LDS-GS)
      4. Betham & Burke's Will Pedigrees, pre-1800 (LDS-GS)

   B. Diocesan Courts (Consistory Courts)
      1. Original and printed indexes, 1536-1858 (LDS-GS)
      2. Some few original wills, late 18th century (LDS-GS)
      3. Various types of copies of wills are being collected by the  Public
         Record Office in Dublin.  They have a card index to these copies and
         have a large collection of substitutes for the missing wills.  If a
         will is found in a diocesan index,  an inquiry should be sent to the
         Public Record Office, Front Courts, Dublin, Eire.

II. 1858 onwards -- these wills are probated by civil courts.  There were
   twelve of these courts.  These courts turned in copies of their wills to the
   Public Record Office; and, thus, most of them were destroyed up to about
   1904.  In many cases, however, the district registries kept copies and these
   exist today.

   There is a general index to wills and administrations proved in the 
   "Principal Probate Registry" and in the "Several District Registries," 
   1858-1920 at the LDS Genealogical Society.  Most of the original wills 
   before 1904 were destroyed, especially for the Principal Registry in 
   Dublin.  Copies exist for the eleven District Registries, 1858 to about 
   1890 at the LDS Genealogical Society.  In cases where it appears no wills
   exist, inquiries should be made to the Public Record Office in Dublin as in
   the case of the Diocesan Courts above. 
    

4.12REQUEST FOR CO. CLARE FORMCPDW::DUNNIGANThu Mar 02 1989 12:056
    Hi George, Please send me the Co. Clare form.
    
    Pat Dunnigan
    VRO6/2-C5
    
    Thanx.
4.13�20 to start search. (�75 for 8 hours of research)STEREO::BURNSCeltic ThunderThu Mar 02 1989 12:5016
    
    
    
    	Pat: I have the form here in Merrimack N.H.
    
    
    	If you want to call me at 264-6117, maybe I can be of assistance.
    
    	The Heritage Center will charge you a fee for any research you	
        want done on relatives from County Clare.
    
    
    
    	keVin
    
    
4.14Free lecture on researching Irish roots.STUDIO::REILLEYReilFri Jan 12 1990 11:2752

	;reprinted with permission.  The lecture is free.


              <<< VIXVAX::DUA0:[NOTES$LIBRARY]GENEALOGY.NOTE;1 >>>
                                   -< ROOTS >-
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Note 198.22       MSOG, MIDDLESEX CHAPTER MEETING ANNOUNCEMENTS         22 of 22
ATREUS::MARINER                                      40 lines   7-JAN-1990 11:42
                              -< January Meeting >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Date:	January 13, 1990
    Time:	1:30 PM
    Place:	Stoneham Public Library
    		431 Main St.
    		Stoneham, MA  02180
    
    SPEAKER:	MARIE DALY
    
    SUBJECT:	Making the Link to Ireland:
    		  Irish Records Available in the US
    
    Marie Daly will speak about Irish research which can be done in the
    United States using the resources which are here.  She holds degrees
    from Northeastern and Boston Universities and is currently the Business
    Manager of the New England Historic Genealogical Society and represents
    them in speaking engagements on Irish Research.  A founding member of
    The Irish Ancestral Research Association [TIARA], she was the groups'
    first president and is currently the newsletter editor.
    
    She is a recipient of a grant from the British Home office, June 1988
    and has participated in a cultural exchange program which enables her
    to visit repositories in Ireland.  Marie Daly has been active in may
    areas of research, has published several articles, and is known as an
    authority on Irish sources.
    
    Marie has written articles on research on tombstones in the Bunker Hill
    Catholic Cemetery in Charlestown, Mt. Auburn Catholic Cemetery in
    Watertown, and the Cambridge Catholic Cemetery.  She is also assiting
    in the History of St. Paul's Parish in Cambridge.
    
    Marie usually gets a standing room only crowd.  We are looking forward
    to her talk.
    
    Directions to the Stoneham Library.  From Route 95/128, take Exit 38
    South onto Route 28, Main St., and follow it to Stoneham Square.  The
    library is south of the Square and its parking lot is on the side, with
    more parking on the street.  An elevator provides handicapped access to
    the meeting room downstairs.
    
    
4.15SYSTEM::COCKBURNAirson Alba UrThu May 09 1991 03:50106
Some info on Irish geneology...

 ------ Forwarded mail received on 9-MAY-1991 at 04:51:32 ------

From:	DECWRL::"GAELIC-L%[email protected]" 
		"GAELIC Language Bulletin Board" 
To:	Craig Cockburn <SYSTEM::cockburn> 
Subj:	CLANS OF IRELAND 

CLANS OF IRELAND     ==========    UPDATED LIST 1991
 
ARE YOU INTERESTED IN YOUR IRISH ROOTS, or do you have a friend or relative
who is ? ? ? If so, then you may be interested in this notice.
 
B'fheidir go mbeidh speis agat san fogra seo ma ta freamhacha do shloinne in
Eirinn ! !
 
CLANS OF IRELAND Ltd. is a non-profit organisation set up under the auspices
of Bord Failte and the Heritage Section of the Department of the Taoiseach in
order to help publicise and give advice on the organisation of clan rallies in
Ireland. Some rallies have already been held and family clan organisations set
up, other rallies are due to be held this year, and more will be held in 1992.
 
Some Irish surnames have roots originating in the 5th century A.D. and earlier.
Some descend from kings and ruling families who were prominent in Irish history
while others descend from famous intellectual or bardic families who preserved
the history and culture of their nation for posterity. They all represent the
rich fabric of Irish society and have contributed to our ancient culture and
heritage. You are invited to celebrate and share in this heritage by
participating in this movement, and even visiting the homes of your ancestors.
 
Beidh failte roimh cach chuig duiche a sinsir ! !
 
The following list may well include a surname in which you are interested, but
even if your name does not appear, and you have an IRISH surname, the CLANS OF I
   RELAND
the CLANS OF IRELAND may still have information of interest to you. Sometimes
a particular surname does not appear to correspond to your own at first glance.
However, Irish surnames have come to be spelt in very many various ways over
the course of history - especially in the last three centuries. For example,
the surname O'Dubhda was first recorded in the year 983 A.D. However, it
descends from an even older royal family grouping whose earliest ancestor is
recorded as having died in 445 A.D. In the historical records preserved over
the last seven centuries there are no less than forty different spellings of
this particular surname recorded ! There are only seven letters in the original
but the most common version today is Dowd or O'Dowd. Many of the large numbers o
   f
of variations are due to unfamiliar Irish surnames being written down by hard-
pressed clerks in Latin, French, German and English - in places as far apart as
Dublin, London, Paris, Vienna, Rome and New York.
 
PLEASE PASS ON THIS NOTICE to any others you know that are interested.
 
Seol an fogra seo chuig aon duine eile gur speis leo e le do thoil.
 
Is mise, le meas, with best wishes,
 
Conor Mac Hale, 30 Lakelands Drive, Stillorgan, Co. Dublin, Ireland
 
For further information Email Conor Mac Hale at:
 
EARN/BITNET/INTERNET "[email protected]"
FrEdMail "PHILLY!DUBLIN!CMCHALE"
DIALCOM/CAMPUS "1001:YNN004" (This last is a public account so mark the subject
for the attention of Conor Mac Hale)
 
OR CONTACT:
 
CLANS OF IRELAND Ltd., Genealogical Office, 2 Kildare Street, Dublin 2, Ireland
 
Tel. +353-1-
 
Tel. +353-1-618811 EXTENSION 410     Secretary: Anne Kavanagh
 
LIST OF IRISH CLAN ORGANISATIONS:
 
McALLAN , McAULIFFE , BOURKE/BURKE , BRENNAN , O'BRIEN , O'BYRNE ,
BUTLER , CARNEY/KEARNEY , CARROLL , CASSIDY , CLEARY , CLUNE ,
COLLINS , COMERFORD , CORMICAN , CRAWFORD , McCABE , McCARTHY ,
MacCLANCY , McCULLAGH , O'CALLAGHAN , O'CATHAIN (KEANE) , O'CONNELL ,
O'CONNOR (KERRY) , O'CONNOR (ROYAL) , DALY , DELANEY , McDONAGH ,
McDUFFEE , O'DEA , O'DOCHARTAIGH (O'DOHERTY) , O'DONNELL , O'DONOGHUE ,
O'DUBHDA (O'DOWD) , O'DRISCOLL , O'DWYER , MacEGAN , O'FARRELL ,
FITZGIBBON , O'FLAHERTY , O'FLYNN , GETTINGS , GLEESON , MacGEOGHEGAN ,
McGETTIGAN , McGILLYCUDDY , O'GRADY , HEERY , HANLY , HEFFERNAN ,
HERLIHY , O'HANLON , HORKAN , HURLEY , JOYCE , KEATING , KEOHANE ,
KILKENNY , KILLORAN , McKENNA , KENNEDY , O'KEEFFE , LAFFERTY , LARKIN ,
LONG , LYNCH , McLOUGHLIN , O'LEARY , MAGUIRE , O'MADDEN , O'MAHONY ,
O'MALLEY , MURPHY , NOLAN , McNAMARA , O'NEILL , PATTERSON , QUINLAN ,
O'REILLY , O'ROURKE , RYAN , O'SHAUGHNESSY , O'SHEA , O'SULLIVAN ,
MacSWEENEY , TIERNEY , O'TOOLE , WINGFIELD
 
Go dteigh tu slan !
 
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4.16Hunting for family...CHIPS::SMITHHIS WILL &lt; my will...Thu May 09 1991 13:3321
    
    
    I don't know if anyone can help me or not, but I'm going to give it a
    try.
    
    I have a friend here in the states who is just dying to find his
    relatives in Ireland.  His grandparents emigrated here a *LONG* time
    ago, but he's sure he has living relatives in Eire.
    
    His grandmother was one Honorah (yuck!) Clorety (Clowrety??) from
    Galway, and his grandfather was John Shields from Roscommon.
    
    How can he find his family?  Telephone book?  Parish records?  Is there
    a general address?
    
    I'm sorry if all these questions have already been answered in other
    notes.  A pointer to them would be appreciated as well.
    
    Thanks for your help.
    
    -Lorelei
4.17more info requiredTALLIS::DARCYThu May 09 1991 17:187
    There are many Clougherty's in abouts Carna, Connemara.  Do you know
    what part of Galway Honorah was from?  You should try and find their
    dates of birth and full correctly spelled names.  Then send this info off
    to Dublin to get the birth certificates (mentioned elsewhere in this
    file).
    
    -george
4.18Zero in on the target....MACNAS::MHUGHESFri May 10 1991 11:4513
    Leaprechauns knew this name.
    
    Its usually spelt Cloherty here in Galway and its a common enough name
    around these parts.  However the info supplied is too general and 
    specific dates of birth, marriage or death in Ireland are necessary.
    Their parents christian names would be a great help also if they were
    available.  Any place-name connections like a rural townland name would
    certainly narrow the field down.  
    
    When you have some stuff like that the rest can be done with a bit of
    time and a bit of investment (not large I think).
    
    Snake has no living relatives since 432 A.D.
4.19Library of CongressTOPDOC::AHERNDennis the MenaceThu Jul 25 1991 10:03363
    The following bibliography is a list of items in the catalog of the
    U.S. Library of Congress which contain the word "Irish" in the title. 
    The numbers refer to the LofC catalog system.
    
"Kith--kin" of Samuel Burdine Dunahay and Angel Carothers : a short history and
genealogy of this Scotch-Irish family an
   83155364             

Baxter family from South Carolina : Scotch Irish pioneers from Ulster / by
Lionel Francis Baxter and John William Baxter
   89085850             

Bibliography of Irish family history / Edward MacLysaght.
   82100468  0716502062 

Bibliography of Irish family history and genealogy / compiled and edited by
Brian de Breffny.
   75312144  0853423989 

Bibliography of Irish family history / Edward MacLysaght.
   84181886  0716502062 

Bront�es' Irish background / Edward Chitham.
   89188070  0333386639 

Bront�es' Irish background / Edward Chitham.
   85011999  0312105983 

Burke's Irish family records [editor, Hugh Montgomery-Massingberd].
   81186001  0085011181 

Cemetery inscriptions, records, early history, and biographies of St. Patrick's
Irish Grove, Rock Run Township, Stephens
   81182768             

Descendants of William & John Dundass : 1773-1981 : Scots-Irish immigrants to
Canada from Dundas of that Ilk / compiled
   82205255             

Descendants of an Irish Hugenot [sic] family.
   88176774             

Descendants of two Irish families : Ryan and Moore, from Ireland to Wisconsin,
1780's-1979 / by Carol Ward Ryan.
   79128095             

Descendants of William and Sarah Thompson of Leicester, Mass. : six generations
of Thompsons whose Scotch-Irish ancestor
   85135845             

Digging for Irish roots : how to search for your ancestors / Don Cahalan.
   89032298  0915474107 

Directory of Irish genealogy 1990.
   90186512             

Famine immigrants : lists of Irish immigrants arriving at the port of New York,
1846-1851 / Ira A. Glazier, editor ; Mic
   83080078  0806310243 

Genealogy and history of the Watson family from Irish emigrants to Mayflower
descendants : descendants of Matthew Watson
   88051088  0962140104 

Golden clan : the Murrays, the McDonnells, and the Irish American aristocracy /
John Corry ; illustrated with photos.
   76054139  039525146X 

Handbook on Irish genealogy; how to trace your ancestors and relatives in
Ireland.
   74166451  0950245518 

Handbook on Irish genealogy : how to trace your ancestors and relatives in
Ireland / Heraldic Artists Ltd.
   79300389  0950245534 

Handbook on Irish genealogy : how to trace your ancestors and relatives in
Ireland / Heraldic Artists Ltd.
   83152518  0950245534 

Handbook on Irish genealogy : how to trace your ancestors and relatives in
Ireland.
   85109602  0950245593 

History of a Ferguson family; a genealogy of the Scots-Irish family of James
Ferguson (ca. 1687-ca. 1737), his wife, Agn
   73007912             

How to trace your Irish roots / le Nora N�i Aonghusa.
   87161255             

How to trace your Irish ancestors : an A-Z approach / Janet Reakes.
   89107441  086806291X 

If you're a wee bit Irish : a chart of old Irish families collected from folk
tradition / [by Ulliam O'Duirnin, i.e. W.
   78061121  0960186808 

Immigration of the Irish Quakers into Pennsylvania, 1682-1750, with their early
history in Ireland.
   77092027             

In search of your British & Irish roots : a complete guide to tracing your
English, Welsh, Scottish, and Irish ancestors
   89209298  0806311274 

In search of your British & Irish roots : a complete guide to tracing your
English, Welsh, Scottish & Irish ancestors /
   85080180  0806311274 

In search of your British & Irish roots : a complete guide to tracing your
English, Welsh, Scottish, & Irish ancestors /
   82007895  0688013503 

Irish Cartlands and Cartland genealogy / by Sir George and John Barrington
Cartland.
   80473209  0959628002 

Irish and Anglo-Irish landed gentry. Introd. by Edward MacLysaght.
   74004432             

Irish and Anglo-Irish landed gentry.
   79480159  0716500388 

Irish and Scotch-Irish ancestral research; a guide to the genealogical records,
methods and sources in Ireland.
   62051616             

Irish and Scotch-Irish ancestral research : a guide to the genealogical
records, methods, and sources in Ireland / by Ma
   80083867  0806309164 

Irish county maps showing the locations of churches....
   81183755             

Irish edition of Alexander Ban Donaldson, our ancestor, 1691-1776 : the
historical and genealogical account of the Ban D
   89181268             

Irish emigration lists, 1833-1839 : lists of emigrants extracted from the
Ordnance Survey memoirs for Counties Londonder
   88082637  0806312335 

Irish families; their names, arms, and origins. Illustrated by Myra Maguire.
   70184040             

Irish families in Australia and New Zealand, 1788-1978 / by Hubert William
Coffey and Marjorie Jean Morgan.
   79310167  0959595228 

Irish families : their names, arms, and origins / Edward MacLysaght.
   86131075  0716523647 

Irish families : the archival aspect / by R. Dudley Edwards.
   75321969  0.25       

Irish family names : highlights of 50 family histories / [by] Ida Grehan.
   74189945  0717948404 

Irish family research made simple, by E. J. Collins.
   74175890             

Irish family research made simple / by E.J. Collins.
   80154056             

Irish family links.
   89646118             

Irish genealogy : a record finder / edited by Donal F. Begley.
   88142749  0950245577 

Irish genealogical source : the roll of the Quaker School at Ballitore, County
Kildare : with an index and notes on cert
   84161324  0716513196 

Irish genealogy : a record finder / edited by Donal F. Begley.
   82126561  0950245577 

Irish genealogical helper.
   75648759             

Irish genealogy digest.
   84006704             

Irish genealogist.
   75640125             

Irish in New England / [Thomas H. O'Connor, Marie E. Daly, Edward L. Galvin].
   86672568  0880820144 

Irish in the 1850 Mason County, Ky. federal census.
   81103045             

Irish lumberman-farmer : Fitzgeralds, Harrigans and others / by Joseph A.
King.
   82006572  0960850007 

Irish lumberman-farmer : Fitzgeralds, Harrigans, and others / by Joseph A.
King.
   87080538  0960850007 

Irish marriages; being an index to the marriages in Walker's Hibernian
magazine, 1771 to 1812. With an appendix from the
   72005685  0806305177 

Irish passenger lists, 1847-1871 : lists of passengers sailing from Londonderry
to America on ships of the J. & J. Cooke
   87082306  0806312068 

Irish pedigrees : or, The origin and stem of the Irish nation / by John
O'Hart.
   76012097             

Irish queries.
   89008236             

Irish records : sources for family & local history / by James G. Ryan.
   87070107  0916489221 

Irish refugee tract abstract data & history of the Irish Accadians / Fay
Maxwell.
   74194388             

Irish roots : a genealogy of Ryan, Gary, and allied families / compiled and
written by Mary Zacchaeus Ryan ; [line drawi
   80053842             

Irish settlers in America : a consolidation of articles from the Journal of the
American Irish Historical Society / by M
   78078381             

Irish subscribers to the Jackson Bible, 1793 / by Marjorie R. Smeltzer.
   85203410             

Irish surnames and their possible locations for family history research / James
McClelland.
   84173670  0908492332 

Irish-American genealogist.
   80648896             

Irish-Palatine Smeltzers around the world ; plus, Early German Smelsers in
Canada / by Marjorie R. Smeltzer.
   87081485  0960866341 

Journal of the Irish Family History Society.
   87640785             

Manual for Irish genealogy : a guide to methods and sources for tracing Irish
ancestry / compiled by Joseph Martin Glynn
   82243458             

Margaret K. Moorman and her Irish ancestors / compiled by Ambrose Carroll
Moorman.
   87403092             

McGuffock to McGaffick to McGavock, McGavic and McGavick : the
Scotch-Irish-American genealogy of the families / written
   88090779  0962062804 

More Irish families / Edward MacLysaght.
   83162254  0716501260 

My Irish grandmother was French (Mary Elizabeth Pi�elou) :
Pilot-Pillow-Peilow-Pielou of Portarlington, Ireland also the
   89144402  0969153511 

O'Brien of Thomond : the O'Briens in Irish history, 1500-1865 / Ivar O'Brien.
   89214486  0850335825 

Pennsylvania: genealogies chiefly Scotch-Irish and German.
   70086807             

Pioneer Irish in New England, by Michael J. O'Brien, LL.D.
   38000796             

Pocket guide to Irish genealogy / compiled by Brian S. Mitchell.
   88159289  1558560009 

Scarke, Clasheen, and America : the story of an Irish-Protestant family in
County Wexford, Ireland and America / Byron E
   77376543             

Schoolmasters and schoolmistresses in the Irish Province of Leinster, 1826-27 /
Dorothy Rines Dingfelder.
   82229272             

Schoolmasters and schoolmistresses in the Irish province of Ulster, 1826-27 /
Dorothy Rines Dingfelder.
   83170772             

Scotch-Irish family research made simple, by R. G. Campbell.
   74178216             

Scotch-Irish family research made simple / by R.G. Campbell.
   82217713             

Search for missing friends : Irish immigrant advertisements placed in the
Boston pilot / Ruth-Ann M. Harris and Donald M
   89013420  0880820225 

Septs / Irish Genealogical Society.
   90000101             

Seven lesson course in Irish research and sources, by Betty L. McCay.
   73176505             

Shiel family : history and genealogy : the story of an Irish-American emigrant
family who fled the potato famine / by Ro
   83152458             

Spanish knights of Irish origin; documents from continental archives.
   78024388  0716505215 

Who's who of your Irish ancestors : a compilation of the early families of Erin
and their titles / by Joyce C. Norman.
   77150283             

Your Irish ancestors, by J. Anderson Black.
   73020957  084670028X 

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4.20TOPDOC::AHERNDennis the MenaceTue Aug 13 1991 23:4710
    There was this item in the "Ask the Globe" column of today's Boston
    (Mass.) Globe.
    
    "Pat Burke of Galway, Ireland, would like to contact the descendants of
    his granduncles, John and Patrick Burke, who emigrated to Boston from
    the vicinity of Ballinasloe in East Galway at the turn of the century. 
    Burke was told that some of his  Boston cousins went to Ireland looking
    for relatives in September 1985, but he was not at home at the time. 
    His address is Lydican, Oranmore, Co. Galway, Ireland.
    
4.21Killoran ReunionVMSSG::KILLORANThu Aug 13 1992 10:5013
    
    
    re: 15
    
    We have received an invitation to the Killoran USA/Ireland
    Reunion to be held in Ireland June of 1993.
    
    
    Jeanne
    
    
    
    
4.22starting a journey...OTOOA::CROOK&quot;my cat is in the doghouse...&quot;Sat Jan 20 1996 17:5710
    sorry if this is the wrong place, just a quick question. We have traced
    ourselves so far to my grandfather's grandfather who is listed
    somewhere as being born in 1812 in Ross Grey Co., Ireland.
     Does such a place still exist and where abouts is it on a map please!
     If it doesn't exist, where did it go??
    
     (p.s. great-great-grandpa's name was Martin Berrigan. He was married
     to a Johanna Gavin from Tipperary!)
    
    thanks!
4.23RoscreaSIOG::KEYESDECADMIRE Engineering DTN 827-5556Mon Jan 22 1996 05:0212
    
    This is most likely Roscrea, Co Tipp...
    on the Map its on the main Dublin-Limerick road (90 miles from Dublin
    and about 40 from Limerick..) thats a rough estimate.
    
    About 6000 people...I lived about 10 miles from it so know it very well
    Ask away anything you want to hear
    
    rgs,
    
    mick
    
4.24All the reactors end up in RoscreaSIOG::BRENNAN_Mfestina lenteMon Jan 22 1996 05:0310
    I presume the place you are looking for is Roscrea Co Tipp. It is on
    the main Limerick dublin road.
    
    If you have a road map of Ireland it is fairly easy to locate. It is
    quite a sizeable town. It has one great pub run by Francis Loughnane.
    
    The local parish records may have more information - if they exist
    still. 
    
    MBr
4.251812 was a long time ago...XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Jan 22 1996 08:2213
Re: a few back

1818 is a very long time ago.  I'm surprised you can get back that far
at all.  Am I being a bit disingenuous in saying that the further back
one goes into researching one's family, the more likely that the
people found are non-catholic?  I say that as most catholic records
only go back to circa. 1840; it was an unusual parish that started
recording before that, so it's unlikely that the people found to have
been born in 1812 were recorded as being catholics. 

Opinions?

                          James. 
4.26In some cases records go back even fartherSIOG::BRENNAN_Mfestina lenteMon Jan 22 1996 11:1517
    The state of records varies considerably. In some parishes they easily
    go back to the 1700s. All births marriages etc were recorded in these 
    Others do not exist before 1840.
    
    It is much more likely as they go back that the Protestant records
    exist. A lot can be deduced from such things as tithe books and rent
    books however.
    
    The people would have been Catholic but all (Catholic Protestant
    Presbitararian etc.) were forced to pay tithes. In some estates these
    records still exist.
    
    Another great source of information is old gravestones. Its surprising
    what can be found from these also.
    
    MBr
    
4.27PAy no rent!EASE::KEYESWaiting for an alibiTue Jan 23 1996 12:514
    
    rent books!..ye folk over in Leinster might have paid rent...Not in
    Tipp..No colaborators over that way....Come looking for rent around
    then and you got a noose......
4.28When the value is zero the rent is zeroSIOG::BRENNAN_Mfestina lenteTue Jan 23 1996 13:551
    Nothing in Tipp worth renting
4.29EASE::KEYESWaiting for an alibiWed Jan 24 1996 07:302
     -) -)
    
4.30Forgot thoseSIOG::BRENNAN_Mfestina lenteMon Jan 29 1996 12:192
    Thanks Mick
    MBr
4.31TALLIS::DARCYAlpha Migration ToolsMon Jan 29 1996 13:085
    >Nothing in Tipp worth renting
    
    Except for hiring a car to go to Cork...
    
    (where's Mick?)  ;v)