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Conference smurf::dec_mls_plus

Title:dec_mls_plus
Moderator:SMURF::BAT
Created:Mon Nov 29 1993
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:534
Total number of notes:2544

481.0. "console password support in Mustang?" by SMURF::BAT (Segui la tua beatitudine) Thu Apr 17 1997 19:16

Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:05:36 -0400
From: [email protected] (Tammy Sandefur)
To: [email protected]
Subject: help please

I found a note in the alphastation notes file. 312.10 it talk's about the
mustangs system console passwd not being able to be set and new release.
Jr is running 5.0 (firmware) I'm running 5.2 but my system is not a
mustang.  Do you have a mustang on hand that we can test this on. I
don't mean a wild mustang :-)


These systems are being shipped oversea's next week and this has to work
before they go.


ps.....thanks for the printer info.  I left it up to the customer, he said close
the call and if he has to persue it he will reopen it.

          
Tammy Sandefur
Digital Equipment
Ultrix & Osf Network Support
[email protected]
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481.1Lee says: Tell him to find that V3.5 Firmware CDROM! Here's why:SMURF::BATSegui la tua beatitudineThu Apr 17 1997 19:4240
    The fast answer:
    
    YES:  if he runs console firmware 5.3 or later (what you get when you
    do a  >>> show config on the console), then he has got the "set
    password" option in his console.  
    
    The long answer:
    
    Two things to note:
    
    1.  He had better be running console firmware 5.5 if he is going to run
    MLS+ V3.1A on that box.  For the explanation, do a dir/tit=firmware 
    in this notesfile. He can load that firmware from the Firmware CDROM
    that shipped with MLS+ V3.1A which is labelled "V3.5" (this version
    number bears no relationship to the versions of firmware it contains).
    He cannot use any later version of firmware, or more precisely, he
    cannot use the version of firmware that he must run on the box if he is
    going to run MLS+ V4.0A on that box.
    
    2. IN ANY CASE, you cannot set or reset the console password while
    running MLS+ (either V3.1A or V4.0A) because there are no hooks in the
    firmware up to the OS that enable cpasswd to change the NVRAM.
    
    Got that?
    
    IOW, there are two issues here:
    
    1.	Whether or not the hardware (firmware) supports console password.
    
    	Yes, the MUSTANG (AlphaStation 200's) with V5.3 firmware 
    	support "set password" at the console prompt >>>
    
    2.	If the firmware and base OS together provide a "hook" so that the 
    	cpasswd program can set/reset the console password while the system 
    	is booted.
    
    	NO, the MUSTANG firmware does not enable the operating system to
    	set/reset the console password, so the cpasswd program on MLS+ 
    	cannot be used to set/reset the console password on that box.
    
481.2Catch-22 CLASSIC -- Tammy will keep us postedSMURF::BATSegui la tua beatitudineTue Apr 29 1997 18:0229
    Tammy called yesterday -- evidently JR said he had a Mustang, but from
    the number on the box, AlphaStation 400/4-233, Lee says he has an
    Avanti. Lee got the firmware for both the Mustang (as200) and Avanti
    (as400) from the V3.5 CDROM and put them in ~ftp/firmware so that 
    Tammy could get them to JR.
    
    At any rate, after much back and forth, we determined that he needs to
    be able to run a later version of firmware to get the console password
    support, but if he runs that later version, he will be unable to set
    account passwords (using /usr/tcb/bin/passwd).  At this point, since he
    cannot upgrade to V4.0A (no time for him to retest his applications, he
    must deliver to his customer now), this is the plan that Tammy will
    give him:
    
    1.	He will install the firmware from CDROM V3.4 before he begins
    	installing the MLS+ V3.1A software on the system.  He will then
    	be able to set the root password, etc., during the installation
    	procedure.
    
    2.	Once the system is up and installed with all his layered products
    	and customized with user accounts, etc., and they want to "lock
    	up" the system, he will install the firmware from any CDROM later
    	the V3.5 (which is the earliest, we think with the firmware support
    	for the console password in it, firmware rev 5.2-10 or later).
    	He will then be able to set the console password, but will be
    	unable to change user account passwords.
    
    NOTE: The V3.1A SPD does not say we do not support console password in
    the "car" series of Alpha processors.