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Title:The American Civil War
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Created:Mon Jul 15 1991
Last Modified:Tue Apr 08 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:141
Total number of notes:2129

77.0. "flags in battle." by FORTY2::ELLIS (When I'm president things'll be different.....) Tue Jun 30 1992 10:27

Having read the question in 67.4 

> I've seen slides of a Gettysburg reenactment and it seemed like half of the 
> reenactors were carrying flags (?)  
 
Got me wondering about the use of flags in the ACW. Were they used as in earlier
wars as a ralling point for small compaines of men? To what level did each unit
have it's own flag? How many flags did each unit have?
Was such significance put on the flag as in earler conficts? Did units fight for
the enemy flag?

These are prompted by my knowledge of the english civil war where the flag became
the main most important thing on the battlefield, and units as small as 30-40 
would have there own flag as well as each leader having his own flag. This
meant a regiment (60 pikemen/40 musketers) could have anything from one to seven
or eight flags as well as the army standards....

This can mean a lot of flags and a knowledgable commander knowing exactly where
all his men and the enermy is (if he could see through the thick black powder 
smoke ;+)

Mark 

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77.1Summary on Flags...NEMAIL::RASKOBMike Raskob at OFOTue Jun 30 1992 13:2258
    RE .0:
    
    In the ACW, there was a "normal" usage of flags, and then there were
    the exceptions... :^)
    
    A Federal infantry regiment had two flags - a U.S. flag and a
    regimental flag (often based on the state flag where the regiment was
    raised).  The "regular" regiments had regimental flags, too, whose
    design was officially prescribed.
    
    A cavalry regiment also had national and regimental flags, but
    individual troops (= infantry company) or squadrons (= battalion) might
    carry small flags that looked like a rectangle with a notch cut out of
    the fly end.
    
    I'm not sure about artillery units - I don't think they had national
    flags, but they might have used battery flags like the cavalry troop/
    squadron flags.
    
    Divisions and corps had their own distinctive flags which were carried
    by the headquarters, and in addition there were small flags for general
    officers.
    
    On the Confederate side, units at the start of the war carried both a
    Confederate national flag and a regimental flag - but at 1st Manassas,
    confusion between the Stars & Stripes and the Stars & Bars caused the
    Confederates to shift to variations of the well-known battle flag (the
    blue "X" on a red background).  I do _not_ know how many Confederate
    units carried the battle flag _and_ a regimental flag; I believe in
    some cases the battle flag was the only one carried.
    
    
    As to use, the regimental and national colors were carried by some of
    the toughest NCOs in the outfit.  They marked the center of the
    regiment's line, and were both a guide and a rallying point.  It was
    considered a disgrace to have your regimental colors captured - so much
    so, that when one Union regiment was surrounded at Gettysburg, the
    color bearer went along the line and each man tore off a piece of the
    flag before they dispersed (I think something like 37 of them were able
    to reassemble in the Union lines that night).
    
    The opposing side could used the colors as an aiming point for a
    volley...
    
    As to density of flags:  though a regiment was _supposed_ to have 1,000
    men, none of them ever campaigned with that many.  300 - 400 was more
    normal for a veteran regiment later in the war, and some got below 200. 
    Few regiments ever recruited many replacements, so to make a brigade
    have something like the right amount of manpower, there might be five
    or six regiments (each with its own set of colors) in line rather than
    two or three.
    
    What tends to happen in reenactments is that there are small numbers of
    people representing larger units, so you can have a higher density of
    flags than you would even see on a battlefield.
    
    MikeR
    
77.2Some Honor, huh?CSTEAM::DONNELLYMon Jul 06 1992 11:0013
    
    Many of the CW Medal of Honor winners received it for capturing an
    enemy flag, or in some cases saving their own flag under fire. I
    believe George Custer's brother Tom Custer won two, both for capturing
    enemy flags.
    
    It would be interesting to know what the life expectancy for someone
    "honored" to carry the flag in battle was. I'll bet it was quite short.
    Sort of like walking around with a giant bull's eye on your chest.
    
    TD
    
    
77.3Life Expectancy...NEMAIL::RASKOBMike Raskob at OFOMon Jul 06 1992 14:378
    RE .2:
    
    	Well, like anything else in war, it varied.  If memory serves,
    there was one regiment that lost three color bearers in five minutes,
    while in another one sergeant carried the colors for the entire war.
    
    MikeR
    
77.4Flag of Cleburne's division ...MACNAS::TJOYCETue Aug 11 1992 10:389
    
    In case I forget, I will enter a note here soon about the unique
    flag of Cleburne's division in the Army of Tennessee.
    
    When flags were being standardised in the the CSA, this division
    petitioned to be allowed keep its own battle flag, and its
    request was approved. I think this was unique in the CSA.
    
    Toby