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Title:ase
Moderator:SMURF::GROSSO
Created:Thu Jul 29 1993
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2114
Total number of notes:7347

1956.0. "ASE and MC diver (again)" by ANNECY::SALOMON_D () Tue Mar 18 1997 11:45

 Hi,

	- I have several customers that are very happy when I describe Memory Channel performances (bandwith 
	and low latency) but they not longer happy when I explain that, to reach these performances, they have 
	to :
		- be limited to raw devices (and not file systems) with TCR,
		- use oracle with OPS,
		- write their own application on top of memory channel APIs ...

	The only good news they see again is that MC can be used as an IP network, and so, they all have the
	following idea :

		"install ASE and MC driver on all the cluster nodes, create simple nfs/disk services (used as 
		file systems) and use Memory Channel for NFS (to export ASE services on the other nodes of 
		the cluster) or all TCP/UDP applications"

	I remember to have done some simple network tests on MC (like ping) ; so I would like to ask
	several questions before starting more tests on my configs ?

		- is it officialy supported (ASE + MC driver) ?
		- is it normaly installable (I have not yet tried) ? 
		- an other way would be to install a full TCR but what about correct Cluster communication
		across MC if this one is fully loaded by some IP application ?  
		- has someone some idea about networking performances with MC (compared with fddi)?

 By advance, thanks for any information,

 Dominique Salomon
 CSS Annecy - France  
	
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1956.1That's a bit widesmurf::PBECKPaul BeckTue Mar 18 1997 13:093
    Any chance you could retry that in 80 columns so it's readable?
    (It's so heavily formatted that I'd butcher it with a quick'n'dirty
    rewrap.)
1956.2Text in 80 columns.ANNECY::SALOMON_DWed Mar 19 1997 02:3739
 I am sorry ; follows my text in 80 columns.



	- I have several customers that are very happy when I describe 
	Memory Channel performances (bandwith and low latency) but they no 
	longer happy when I explain that, to reach these performances, 
	they have to :
		- be limited to raw devices (and not file systems) with TCR,
		- use oracle with OPS,
		- write their own application on top of memory channel 
		  APIs ...

	The only good news they see again is that MC can be used as an IP 
	network, and so, they all have the following idea :

		"install ASE and MC driver on all the cluster nodes, create 
		simple nfs/disk services (used as file systems) and use 
		Memory Channel for NFS (to export ASE services on the other 
		nodes of the cluster) or all TCP/UDP applications"

	I remember to have done some simple network tests on MC (like ping) ; 
	so I would like to ask several questions before starting more tests 
	on my configs ?

		- is it officialy supported (ASE + MC driver) ?
		- is it normaly installable (I have not yet tried) ? 
		- an other way would be to install a full TCR but what about 
		correct Cluster communication across MC if this one is 
		fully loaded by some IP application ?  
		- has someone some idea about networking performances with 
		MC (compared with fddi)?

 By advance, thanks for any information,

 Dominique Salomon
 CSS Annecy - France  
	
1956.3check performance data firstALFAM7::GOSEJACOBWed Mar 19 1997 04:2510
    re .0
    People who know the implementation details should have a more complete
    view of things here. But as far as I remember the IP implementation on
    top of MC was not tuned for performance. In other words you will be
    using a standard IP stack on top of MC. I have not done any real
    performance tests but you may want to check that using MC in your case
    would actually improve NFS performance compared to lets say a FDDI ring
    or a giga switch. Just my 2 Pfennige.
    
    	Martin