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Title:Sports Memorabilia
Notice:Wanted: 3.*; For_sale: 4.*; Traded: 5.*
Moderator:SCHOOL::KOPACKO
Created:Wed Aug 27 1986
Last Modified:Thu May 08 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:730
Total number of notes:8547

604.0. "what everyone thinks about beckett guide?" by UHUH::SOKOL () Mon Nov 08 1993 12:53

    
    	Hi everyone,
    	
    		I'm just curious about how everyone feels regarding
    		pricing in the Beckett guide, have you ever felt that
    		the price of a certain card or set is quite distorted,
    		undervalued or overvalued? I mean, just looking at all
    		these collectors and dealers I've got a feeling that
    		they all live by this guide and almost nothing else
    		matters. At the same time when they need cash guide is
    		no problem, you can get cards for half or less.
    
    		Any opinions on that?
    
    \alex
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604.1IMHOAKOCOA::MKELLYMon Nov 08 1993 14:1929
    Alex, You pose an age old problem.  Let me speak first as a dealer 
    that needs to make a specific % on each sale.  
    DEALER BUY PRINCIPLE: When I buy I refer to Beckett to ensure that I 
                          can make the profit percent without exceeding
                          Beckett's price.  
    DEALER SELL PRINCIPLE: When I sell I ignore Beckett - I'm in this 
                          for profit and if I've done the buy thing right 
                          then I'm below Beckett anyway.
    DEALER FLEX PRINCIPLEL: If someone pushes me hard to reduce my prices
                          (already below Beckett's) I trot it out show it
                          to them and say NFW.
    
    Now as a collector.  
    COLLECTOR BUY PRINCIPLE: I"m trying to complete the Philadelphia
                             Carmels Team cards ( 1890's ).  Frankly if it
                             Nr Mt - I buy it no questions asked no
                             bargaining, no guide.  I ask to see the item, 
                             if it's the condition that I need (even if
                             it's a double that I'm buying just in 
                             case someone wants to trade) I smile and say
                             sold.
    COLLECTOR SELL PRINCIPLE: Oximoron. Collectors don't sell.
    Collector of new stuff: (1976 +)If you have to do this then buy
    condition and shop!!!! shop!!!!!!! shop!!!!!!
    
    Just Curious- Have you read the Becketts, Gone over each page, looked
    carefully for his information on the pricing of regional issues, Older
    cards ect.  It's worth the time.
    Mike
604.2what about these examples:UHUH::SOKOLMon Nov 08 1993 17:0825
    
    	Hi Mike,
    		I understand that principles, but I don't get how this
    		Dr.Beckett comes up with those prices. For example:
    
    			all those UD Heroes sets, they end up less than
    			half from the introduction price. Even I figured
    			it out by now.
    
    			93-94 UD basketball: the most expensive cards is
    			Shawn Bradley so far, but he clearly has no "big"
    			future in NBA. 
    
    			92-93 Basketball season: UD, Ultra and Stadium Club
    			went a bit down after the introduction, but HOOPS
    			and Skybox (???) went up, when clearly was no
    			problems with quantities.
    
    		We both can name many more examples of strange price
    		movements, which I can't simply explain.
    
    	\well, just trying to understand the things so I can follow that
    	hobby better.
    
    	\thx, alex
604.3PENUTS::JST_ONGEJohn St.Onge USDSL DTN 275-2715Tue Nov 09 1993 06:5117
    Re. 2
    
    Most insert sets always come down in price after awhile. SCD had ads
    for the UD Iooss set  for  29$. Lots of bargains can be found if you
    wait awhile.  When it first comes out lots of people will pay higher
    to get it.
    
    I bet most of the  Beckett,  SCD,  Tuff Stuff  prices  are  based on
    dealer input  and  investor  input. They don't want to see prices go
    down.  Afterall,  would you  fill  out  a  survey form to show lower
    prices if you were a dealer ?  Probably not.  Would you want to fill
    out the survey to show higher prices ? Probably.
    
    You can probably take a Tuff Stuff or SCD and go through a Beckett's
    and find items selling for much lower than Beckett's low price.
    
    John
604.4Beckett's Shipping schedule - FYINEMAIL::PAVLOCKTue Oct 11 1994 11:3521
    
    Found this article, about Becketts shipping schedule, in Internet this
    morning.  I thought it was interesting so I included it.
    
    
Article: 66467
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.cards
From: [email protected] (Rich Barry)
Subject: Re: Chat: Becket Baseball
Sender: [email protected] (Netnews Administration)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 02:16:46 GMT
 
The Baseball Beckett is shipped on the first Monday of every
month.  Dealers might get them by Wednesday if it's first class
delivery.  Home subscribers get it via 3rd class mail so it
usually comes Friday, Saturday, or the following Monday.
 
(FYI - the Becketts are shipped alphabetically on each MONDAY.
Baseball, then Basketball, then Football, then Hockey)