Conference school::sports_memorabilia

    I wouldn't consider Classic or any  of those draft pick set cards to
    be his rookie card. Usually it's a card issued with one of the major
    sets such as Topps, Upper Deck, Score etc. I know Score has released
    a few cards of Lindros in their major sets.  I know his rookie base-
    ball card is in the Score 1990 Update set.
    
    John

    
    My take on the Lindros situation:
    
    	o The Flyers WILL sign him.  You don't trade what they did, and
    	  then not do what it takes to sign the player.  Lindros himself
    	  was quoted as saying that he HAD been offered 55 million for
    	  10 years as reported by Quebec, and he thought that that kind
    	  of money was "ridiculous".  He'll sign.
    
    	o Any pro-sports team that claims it's losing money is using
    	  creative accounting.  Hockey is a big sport in Philly, and
    	  they don't have the huge player salaries they do in other
    	  sports.
    
    	  The owners in Philly also own the cable-station that they 
    	  broadcast the games on.  This means they don't have to pay
    	  the Flyers broadcast rights as say MSG does the Yankees.
    	  So the Flyers don't have any cable money coming in, but the
    	  owners get the money from subscriptions from the cable
    	  channel.  Creative accounting.
    
    	  They are moving into a new spectrum (this year?), and they
    	  have HUNDREDS of luxury boxes.  They own the stadium, and
    	  all that money will be gravy.  They CAN afford him.
    
    	o I believe his cards in the '90 Score hockey sets (american
    	  and canadien) will be considered his rookie cards.  Mark
    	  McGwire's rookie card pictures him in a USA Olympic uniform
    	  -- hasn't hurt the price.  First appearance on a nationally	
    	  distributed, non-prospects, non-hilites, etc. type set.
    
    	  Ie -- Draft pick sets like Classic and Star Pics are NOT his
    	  rookie cards.  They may have of course have value, and it may
    	  exceed his rookie card value, but it is not viewed as his
    	  "rookie card".
    
    	  Since his first appearance on a major card issue was Score's
    	  first set -- look for those to go up, including unopened wax.
    	  How much of you seen of that stuff around lately?
    
    	o It can only help his cards that he will now be playing in
    	  an American City.  Who else spends money on cards of a sport
    	  manned by thugs and hacks, where breaking the law is good
    	  sport, and you cain't pronounce half their names on give a
    	  good interpretation of the "icing rule"?  Americans.
    
    	o I don't think his cards will rise much (they will rise some
    	  in anticipation of his finally playing) at first, but if he
    	  doesn't win the scoring title, or dominate every game, or
    	  lead Philly to the playoffs, they might actually drop a
    	  little.
    
    -rjk

       HE will sign with Philly for about $3 million for the 1st year.
                                    Denny

    Lindros cards from last year:
    
    1 in Score regular hockey set
    5 exclusive in Score hockey factory set
    1 in Score Young Superstar hockey set
    1 in Score Rookie/Traded hockey set
    1 in Score Rookie/Traded baseball set
    2 in UD high # set (Canada's captains & team Canada group shot)
    
    Numerous cards made by no name companies without any licensing
    
    Unsure about his OHL cards issued, know there were at least 2.

    Regardless of what we think Jim Beckett will determine what his rookie
    card will be.  I think his first card in an NHL uniform will be
    interesting if you can buy it cheap.  I would love to get my hands on
    some canadian minor league hockey wax with him in it.
    
    As far as his prospects-He is a can't miss for two reasons.  One
    he has been looked at and tested by players and coaches and experts
    for four years-The opinions are all the same- he is the NEXT ONE.
    Reason 2-the NHL can't go to Europe until it's American financial base
    is secure.  The American financial base requires pay cable (ESPN) and a 
    superstar.  He's the star.  No one will go hunting for him, (sorry ulf)
    because he is the players ticket to a bigger pay day.  
    
    Regretfully it all comes down to the buck.  The last player that this
    happened to in hockey was    Bobby Orr  if you can get past the
    hopelessly slanted local Boston press Orr was a superstar that
    was rarely checked.  Why? he was the players ticket to a big payday.
    
    mike    

    So is the 1990 Score Baseball Traded his first "sports" card ? Or did
    1990 Score Hockey come out before the Score Baseball Traded Sets that
    year ?
    
    John

    
    He appeared in a number of minor league hockey sets (Seventh Inning
    Sketch, Memorial, *HL [couple of 'em]) even before Score pictured
    him.
    
    -rjk

    His future superstar card from score's hockey set came out Oct/Nov of
    '90 while his Blue Jays card came out around May of '91. 
    I must of screwed up that date on the list a few back. (sorry)
    
    Not to talk a subject to death, I was always under the impression that
    a players first card was his rookie regardless of how much or how
    little major league experience they have.
    
    I dunno, it just seemed automatic,
    Bill
                                                 

    WHO CARES!!!!!!!!! Lindros is the latest in a LLLOOOOOOOOONNNGGGGG line
    of whiners! 
    The BOY has no personal integrity at all! Add the entire Flyers 
    organization to the same list! 
    My hat is off to the teams who wanted no part of him. Let's see how he 
    develops as a team leader! 
    "I don't wanna' learn French...wahh, wahh." "Quebec doesn't have a
    winning attitude...wahh, wahh."
    Gee, what do you suppose would happen if every decent player, in any
    sport, decided they would only play for the past season's world
    champion?
    
    Okay, okay, I'm done. I won't say another word about the BOY, the myth,
    the legend, etc, etc, etc.

    
    Hey Dennis?  I agree with you.  But there's free-agency for veterans
    in most of the sports, and they don't all try and sign with last
    year's champions.
    
    If someone offered me $55m over 10 years, to work in a french speaking
    area, I'd hire me the best dang interpreter money could buy!  8^)
    
    -rjk

    I have his 1990 Score traded card(s),but that's in a baseball uniform,
    wouldn't his Rookie card be the 1990 Score Hockey seeing that he is in
    a okey uniform ? 
    What was the deal with Danny Ainge's Baseball card,is that his rookie
    card ?
    
    John M.
    

>    If someone offered me $55m over 10 years, to work in a french speaking
>    area, I'd hire me the best dang interpreter money could buy!  8^)
     ...but if I could make the same money and play anywhere I wanted I'd
    rather do that.
       As far as everyone playing for last years champ. That's not a
    factor. There's only so many jobs. If a team has a top player already
    who play the same spot as you, you'd be crazy to go there. Less playing
    time means less exposure...
                                   Denny

    Re: a few back
    
    I don't think the Score 1990 Traded sets came out in May of 1991. Maybe
    November or December of 1990, but not that late into the next year.
    
    John

    Since  I started this yesterday morning and just got around to reading
    all your responses (thank you all BTW), it looks like the general
    consensus is the 1990 Score sets are his rookie cards.  However, based
    on a few notes back, Beckett's will determine which one is his rookie
    card by printing an R next to that card, right?
    
    Is it one rookie card per set? Topps Stadium? Proset Platinum? Regular
    Proset?, etc., etc., etc.?
    
    Regards,
    Denny

    BTW,  I'm still having troubles with the fact that an NHL players'
    rookie card picture him in a baseball uniform two years before his
    skates ever touch the ice in the NHL!!
    
    Regards,
    Denny
    

>						it looks like the general
>    consensus is the 1990 Score sets are his rookie cards.  However, based
>    on a few notes back, Beckett's will determine which one is his rookie
>    card by printing an R next to that card, right?

Beckett's does have an "RC" next to his 1990 Score Hockey card (#440).  
The card says "Future Superstar" across the top and shows Lindros in 
his Oshawa Generals uniform.
    
>    Is it one rookie card per set? Topps Stadium? Proset Platinum? Regular
>    Proset?, etc., etc., etc.?

I'm no expert, but it looks to me like whichever set(s) come out
first with that players card gets the RC.  For Lindros it was only the
1990 Score Hockey (#440).  Once others get around to it, like Topps, Becketts
will say something like "FTC" next to it - meaning First Topps Card.

Dan

    Dennis.....Please take those rose colored glasses off.  He's a
    brilliant businessman.  For instance if DEC offered to pay you 
    in Canadian dollars without accounting for the conversion rate
    and increase your mandatory deductions to 40% of the gross.
    Would you object? Yes you would.  this is exactly what
    happened to Eric the Next One. So would you be a whinner?
    If DEC said you can avoid all of this by moving to manufacturing in New
    Hampshire-WEould you move? I think so? Does that make you like Eric?
    
    It's sad but true.  Some jocks are worth 55 million
    because.............................. they generate more revenue
    than 55 million.  It's a form of commissioned sales.  It may offend
    all of us ethically.....However we would all do the same thing.

    The guy says he doesn't want to go to Quebec because they don't have a
    winning attitude so he's going to Philli, a team that hasn't made out
    of the division cellar or to the playoffs in 3 years. Over the past
    year they've gotten rid of Gord Murrphy (a great young defenseman as
    Boston now knows), Rick Tocchet (granted he was having a bad season but
    he is consisdered on of the best all-around players in the game and
    played a huge part of Pitts romp to the cup) and Tim Kerr (a skilled
    vet and great leader). Between these trades and the players they
    flushed for Lindros, they don't seem to be following the team made up
    of young players or the team made up of proven experienced players.
    Management is obviously a mess (toss Bobby Clarke, then get him back?
    Make up your minds!) and I don't see them as having the winning
    attitude (attitude, yes; winning? nope)It just seems that everything he
    knocked about Quebec is just as true for Philli.
    
    Oh sure, he's not in it just for the money (there's also the babes)
    Bill
    
    

    Does anybody know anything about a 1989 oversized card with a white 
    border that is a Police card.  It lists for 80-100 bucks.  Apparently,
    the first card issued.
    Mike

    >> 456.17 << 
    Mike I wouldn't even think of arguing with you on this matter,but
    it does make alot of sense as to what you said.. John
    

    This is way off the subject.  If you want I'll delete.  If you want to 
    see the other side of this equation-catch the Paw Sox at McCoy Stadium.
    They are still amaturers, they have fun and actually talk and wave to
    fans.
    Mike

       Speakin a the Pawsox. We're heading down there tomorrow night!
                                    Denny