Conference school::sports_memorabilia

    Went to a show tonight in R.I., I saw the UD hockey cards for the
    first time. They do seem to be a better looking cards then last year,
    not that last years was bad. 

    I won't usually comment about this, but, feel if I save one collectors
    a$$, it'll be worth it.  They where selling for $1.75-$2.00 a pack, $65
    a box. This is the stupidest thing that I've every seen, but, you know
    what? They where selling.... Ooh, they also had some Holograms and yes,
    they where asking $10ea. There the same as the UD Football hologram.

    I received by issue of Baseball cards news in the mail today, and one
    play was selling them for $25/box. Which means in a month to six weeks
    we'll see them for $18-$20/box.
    I know Roy has said the time and time again, but, don't be sucked into
    buying these for anything over .75/pack. 

    Really people this is getting crazy!

    Mike

    
    I saw them this evening in a normally fairly pricy shop for $1.25/pack,
    $39/box (which means even now they should be less at shows this
    weekend).  They are nice looking, the holograms are 100% improvement
    from last years holos.  The holos this year are a subset of the
    trophy winners (this shop has a few for $2 a piece).  
    
    Alot of typical UD here, typical UD backs (nice), same white stock,
    nice front photos and hockey heros subset 1-9 featuring Brett Hull
    (wonder if there is a tenth cover card?).  "Find the Hull" with 2500
    signatures Hulls out there somewhere.  Appears to be much like 
    football, 500 card set, perhaps just one series, the pack says
    nothing about this being series I.  Don't know if there will be any
    high number set like last year.
    
    Please send me all your extra #455's.
    
    jeff
    

    
    Here in Ottawa they are also starting to arrive.  The lowest price from 
    a dealer I have seen here is $64 (plus tax) Canadian for a wax box!  
    Talk about crazy.  I can mail-order them in for about $44 for a 
    wax box from Toronto or Montreal.  I visited one of the better dealers
    in town last night and they said they would be selling some hand-sorted 
    sets for about $75-80 in about three weeks (just in time for XMAS).
    
    From what I have read there will again be a HI# or update set of about
    150 cards.  I don't expect to see it though until March.  I remember it
    took them an awful long time last year to ship the HI # set.
    
    MJW.

    Ther is a10th Hull Card.
    I bought in at 34/box
    Hold on to # 9  Lindros.
    And Hologram # 2
    Mikef

    I've been searching high and low for them to arrive in this area.
    I work in the Mill in Maynard and live in Templeton (central Mass).
    Does anyone know where they have arrived around here?
    
    Also if there is a way I can order Upper Deck by mail please fill
    me in on the details. If it's going to save me some $$$ it's worth
    the wait.
    
    Thanks in advance, Jim

    
    Not exactly central Mass., but up near the cowhampshire boarder
    in Tyngsboro @ John's SportsCards is where I was referring to
    in reply .2.  Also a grocery/convenience store down from the
    pheasant lane mall has them too, 1.99/pack.  You could certainly
    try ordering them by mail from one of the multitude of advertisers
    in SCD, although you'll do much better by waiting a bit and hitting
    a card show (imo).
    
    jeff
    

    
    The fact that you haven't found them yet, is a good indication
    that prices are still too high.
    
    Patience young jedi ...

    I pre-ordered from the dealer I do business with and got 5 boxes
    at $28.00 a box. It was one of the best prices I've seen so far,
    so I jumped at the chance. I also got 5 boxes of O-Pee-Chee at
    $13.00 a box, another good deal.
    
    Phred
    
    

    
    So let's see, reviewing the last 8 replies, in less than a day
    we have prices going from $64/box down to $28/box on a pre-order,
    to $34/box if you count actual purchased prices.  Wonder where
    they'll be in another day or two...
    

	Wait... Wait.

	I've seen them in BAseball Card News For $25/box.
	Just called my local dealer at home, he has them 
	in, but is charging $42/box...

	I'll wait for BJ's to have them for $18, or see them
	at a show for $20-$22.

	Mike

    Mike,
    
    When BJ's gets them send up a flare and let me know! I've been trying
    to drop by there every couple of weeks or so to check the inventory
    but it's a long haul from my neck of the woods.
    
    $18-25 sounds good to me. I don't think I would go higher than that.
    We're only talking about paper and ink. Let's get real. Some of these
    dealers are out of control. When some of the older sets start to look
    more reasonable than the brand new stuff we've got problems.
    
    My 2 cents,  Jim

    
    I completed the #1 - 500 set this weekend and I agree that the cards
    do look better than last years.  For some of the cards they took the
    picture in landscape mode giving you a wide angle action shot of the
    player shooting or blocking a shot.
    
    I also completed the 1 - 9 subset of Hull.  For anyone who gets these, 
    do hang on to them.  Apparently Upper Deck was making it very difficult
    to put this set together.  A friend of mine bought five wax boxes and 
    only collected 7 of the 9 card subset.  He also go a card that is 
    not part of the regular 1 - 500 numbered set.  It is labelled "SP1" 
    but I can't remember what player is was (Gretzky perhaps?).
    
    I thought I had the whole set but I guess not!  Does anyone know
    anything about the "SP" cards and how many there are?  
                             
    MJW.

 Mike

 Upper Deck places one SP1 (Special) card in every 
 series of there sets. The starting price is usually
 around $12-$15, then a month goes by and there down
 to $10, and stay there till the next years cards come
 out, then they drop down to $6-$8...

 Mike

    How is the collation for this set.  I know the football was horrendous. 
    Is this more of the same?
    
    Jon

    I heard it was bad...
    
    The Hockey Heroes are that hard?  Wow, I bought 3 packs this weekend to
    see what they looked like and I got 2 of them...
    
    -Walt
    

    
    Are you sure the HOH subset is that hard to find?  The FB ones ran
    from easy to hard (some boxes you get plenty, others none), and
    except for the "title card", were easy to find at shows, in trade,
    etc.
    
    -rjk

    
    Re .12
    
>    I also completed the 1 - 9 subset of Hull.  
>    
>    I thought I had the whole set but I guess not!  Does anyone know
>    anything about the "SP" cards and how many there are?  
    
	You may be further away from the 'whole' set than you think.
    	There should also be an unumbered Hull hero, often called
    	the cover card, making that a ten card subset.  If it follows
    	the football pattern, it will be a short print and much tougher
    	to come by than 1-9.
    
    	How did you do on the holograms?
    
    	jeff
    
    

    
    .RE : .15, .16, & .17
    
    Regarding the Hull subset : 
    
    Perhaps my friend was just unlucky with his wax boxes...
    I got the impression that a couple of the cards from the subset would
    be tough to get while the rest of the subset would be found easier to
    collect from the foil packs... Thus teasing you into finishing your 
    complete subset.  I did get the Hockey Heroes cover card in addition to
    the nine card subset but I did not think that Hull was on the card.
    I will check that out tonight.
    
    Was there an "SP" card for last year's 90/91 UD Hockey set?  If so I
    missed that one.
    
    I personally do not have any of the Holograms yet and I don't know
    what their frequency was for a wax box.  Will try to look into that.
    
    Michael.
            

    
    The football "title" card (cover card, the one with no number), did
    not have Joe Montana on it either.  It had a graphic design with
    "Heroes of Football" emblazoned across it.  Thus it being called the
    "title" card.  Be careful, when you buy/order a HOF (heroes of
    football) subset, you might not get this card.
    
    No, I don't believe there were any SP1 cards last year.
    
    -rjk

    SP2 is" Glasnost on Ice "
    I Opened 4 Boxes.  No Complete Set.  Many Holograms.  Many Hulls.
    The Lindros card reminds me of the 90 Boggs.  The back of the card
    is better than the front-Check it out.  Also look for Lindros on the
    Canada Cup Checklist.  Just by accident UD took a random picture of the
    Canada Cup Series and gusess who they were lucky enough to capture
    Lindros shaking hands with Hull.  How lucy can you get.  
    

    Managed to get back in time to catch the Supershow in Augusta this
    weekend.  UD Hockey was anywhere from $25 to 60 a box depending on the
    dealer.  It was selling quite fast no matter what the price.  The
    Holograms were going for $4-15 depending on the number.

	A dealer in BCN has them for $22.95... The wait is coming to an
	end. 8^))

	I might even bite at that price... Even thought I know there'll
	be cheaper in a couple of weeks (but not much cheaper). The bottom
	can't be any less then $20.

    
    Has anyone heard anything about the French version or a french/english
    version (ala Score)?  I've heard the french was limited to something
    like 600 cases total (supposedly one person has 400 of the 600).  At
    the clemens show I saw two boxes with the NHL-LNH reversed and french
    writing at the bottom front of the box with "English Edition" on them.
    Does anyone know if these are simply the same as the US version just
    distributed in Canada or if there is anything to distinguish this 
    apparent canadien/english version from the US version?
    
    jeff
    
    

    Are these like the UD football with the "Heros of Hockey" photo on the
    bottom of boxes and boxes with certain photos contain certain
    holograms?
    
    What are the holograms by the way? I've only seen a Hull, a Gretzky and
    a Belfour. 9 holograms are usually standard for UD so any idea what the
    other 6 are?
    
    Just wondering (as usual), 
    Bill
    

    
    Only three holograms have been released so far.  The next three will
    be released with the next "shipments", and the final three with the
    final "shipments", or (possibly AND) with the high number series.
    
    The UD spokesperson I read the interview with said that just like
    football, they'll be released 3 at a time (same for basketball too
    in case anyone's interested).
    
    And these holograms BLOW the football ones away.  Amazing stuff.
    They should do a whole set of just the holograms ...
    
    -rjk

    
    They do seem thin, but then upper deck has always been on the thin
    side.
    
    I discovered by buying a couple packs that the French "English Edition"
    that I asked about a few replies back is the same cards as the standard
    US version.  Only the box and packs have bi-lingual writing on them,
    cards are the same.  No all-star voting insert which was actually
    kind of refreshing.
    
    I was kind of hoping someone else would mention this but what the heck:
    The rumor mill is grinding that UD has 'pulled a ProSet' and will be
    yanking St. Eric from the 2nd and 3rd, etc. production runs.  Seems
    Score is a bit upset, despite UD having the Canada Cup rights.  So the
    rumor goes that card #9 will become a real live SP.  
    
    At first it would seem to be run-of-the-mill crap to hike up current box
    prices or to move product at the current price levels.  Although it
    would also seem to follow that then you would see prices drop off
    big time in a few weeks, as presumably the boxes without Lindros
    would be much less attractive (the card is $7 in the latest Beckett's).
    So I began to question whether this rumor would really benefit
    dealers in the long run (and therefore maybe it isn't pure rumor/hype).
    
    Has anyone else been treated to this bs?
    
    jeff
    
    

    Holograms Cards....

    AW1	-   Wayne Gretzky   -	Art Ross Trophy Winner
    AW2	-   Ed Belfour	    -	William M. Jennings Trophy Winner
    AW3	-   Brett Hull	    -	Hart Trophy Winner
    AW4	-   ?
    AW5	-   Ray Bourque	    -	Norris trophy Winner
    AW6	-   Wayne Gretzky   -	Lady Byng Trophy Winner
    AW7	-   Ed Belfour	    -	Vezina Trophy Winner
    AW8	-   ?
    AW9	-   ?

>    Holograms Cards....
>
>    AW1	-   Wayne Gretzky   -	Art Ross Trophy Winner
...

ok, what's the AW stand for?

thx,
dan

    
    Award Winner.

    
    A number of you have asked me what the E* cards are in my want-list.
    
    Rather than answer you all seperately in mail, here's an answer for
    the masses.
    
    We (my brother-in-law and I) went to a show this weekend.  A dealer
    though showed us the E cards (cards numbered E1, E2, E3, ...).  Had
    a full set he did.  Wanted $100 for the set.  Said they were  ultra
    rare, hard to come by (yet he had a full set ... bwah ha ha ha ha!).
    
    What they are is cards of "Euro-stars" (stars in the NHL who have
    come to the NHL via Europe; Federov, some others whose names I can't
    remember much less, spell or pronounce).
    
    My BIL opened one box, and got five "E" cards in the box.  One was
    E1, and the highest number one was E14.  So I don't know if there
    are more than 14 of them.
    
    There were *NO* Brett Hull "HOH" cards in this box (he only got one
    in his other box, which contained NO "E" cards).
    
    Here's what I believe, and I'll tell you why.
    
    The boxes with Brett Hull on the bottom have HOH cards in 'em.  The
    one box with Hull on the bottom that my BIL opened had HOH card(s)
    in it/them.
    
    The boxes with Gretzky on the bottom have "E" cards in 'em.  The
    box with Gretzky that my BIL opened had "E" cards in it.
    
    I believe that "E" cards will be just as available as the HOH
    cards, just different boxes.
    
    BTW, if anyone comes across these, I'd *really* like to finish this
    set for my BIL as a xmas present, so any/all help will be GREATLY
    appreciated.  I'll even pay for the cards ...
    
    -rjk

    I got a box with Gretzky and a box with Yzerman and both had HOH
    cards.  They both had AW1-AW3 in them, fwiw...
    
    -Walt
    

    
    Okay.  So my theory isn't perfect ... ;^)
    
    -rjk

    
    Speaking of holograms, that was the nice thing.  The two boxes
    my BIL and I opened had at least one complete set of the holograms,
    and both had at least 7 holograms ...
    
    -rjk
    
    ps: "complete" meaning the three that have been released so far.
    
    

	Has anyone found out what the SP1 card is all about in this
	years UD Hockey.. Anyone seen them at any shows? I opened
	two boxes and came up empty...

    
    It's called "Glastnost on Ice", and has the team captain's (I blv)
    from the Canada Cup teams pictured.
    
    Saw it this weekend at shows ranging from $8-15 (same as SP1 FB).
    
    -rjk

    
    How's that little kid you elbowed out of the way for the packs
    doing John?
    
    -rjk

	Hey John,

	Does this card also have the numbers 0401 printed on the back?

	I'll give you $25 for it..... 

	A dealer told me these cards where going to be
	very very rare!

	8^)

    
    	I don't know how rare they're going to be, but at a show a couple
    weeks back a kid bought a box and opened them there. he got 3 in it.

    Hi, just wondering what the current market price for UD hockey is?
    
    Where/store seems to be the cheapest to buy a wax box.
    
    I'd like to buy a few.
    
    Thanks for your help.
    
    SteveO'
    

    In western NY, they are at $35 in the shops and there are a few people
    selling them in the classified adds for $30. (Has anyone else ever
    checked the classifieds for deals on cards? There are quite a few adds
    for just about all the recent cards and even older sets/boxes/cards)
    
    Last year I the lowest they got was $27. That was for the 1st edition
    surrounded by alot of hoopla and there were only 4 or 5 makers of
    hockey cards. I think they'll drop even lower this year with all the other
    new cards this year (hockey and otherwise).
    
    I probably going to do this. Anyone have a better idea? I'd appreciate
    hearing it.
    
    Bill
    
    

    Just got a box last night $25.  selling for a buck a pack.

    $19.97 a box here in the Augusta, Me area.
    

    18.98 at BJs...

    
    re .31 and the Euro stars cards.
    
    Nobody but roy's BIL has gotten any of these cards, at least
    of the people that I have spoken to.  At the andover show one dealer 
    with a ton of UD hockey (opened) told me that a few E cards "mistakenly" 
    got into some early wax boxes, but that in fact the E cards were due to 
    come out in the cello packs only, ala silver sluggers.  Another
    hype/subset/gimmick to get us to buy a repackage of the same cards,
    UD is getting a bit out of hand...
    
    roy, good luck finding these before xmas, I'll keep looking for them 
    but if indeed they are not generally in the wax, you may have to give 
    your BIL an IOU instead. 
    
    jeff
    

    I've opened thousands and found none.
    Mike

    
    Jeff is indeed correct.  I saw this on the usenet yesterday.  One
    guy bought a bunch of the "jumbo" packs.
    
    In them, he said he ("on average") found either a hull (heroes of
    hockey) or an "E" card.  the "E" cards averaged about 1 every 2
    "jumbo" packs.
    
    So Jeff's information/educated guess is likely correct.  They will
    be an insert set in the jumbo packs.  Anyone seen the jumbo packs
    yet?  No idea where this guy on the usenet found them.
    
    Thanks to those of you who have been looking for me.  At least know
    I have some info I can pass back to him, and he can realize it'll
    be out there soon enough.
    
    -rjk

    
    AW5 (Bourque) AW6 (Gretzky) and AW7 (Belfour) are out now.  This
    leaves AW4, AW8, and AW9.  I may have mixed up 6 and 7, but the
    two are definitely Gretzky and Belfour.
    
    This little tidbit from today's USA Today:
    
    CARD WARS: Upper Deck Company filed suit against Topps Commany in
               California Superior Court Tuesday over the hockey cards
               rights of Russian players Vladimir Malakhov, Alexei Zhamnov,
               Dmitri Siliminov, Alexander Semak and Viacheslav Kozlov.�
    
               Both Upper Deck and Topps claim to have agreements with
               those players to produce their likeness on cards.  Card
               companies can print any player who is a member of the NHL
               Player's Association but need player permission from anyone
               who hasn't played an NHL game.�
    
               Exclusives with "rookies" greatly increase the demand for
               hockey sets in the collecting world.
    
               The NHL, which used to pay little attention to collecting,
               now is extremely vigilant in monitoring card companies.�
               Next season, it's expected the NHL and NHLPA won't allow
               commingling of NHL players with players who haven't yet
               played in the league (sorry Score and Mrs. Lindros! 8^).
    
               "Topps would like us to believe that the personally signed
               individual agreements, which we hold, are invalid", said
               Upper Deck President Richard McWilliam.  "Our legal counsel
               tells us otherwise".
    
    [end of article]
    
    1) Topps agreement with these players is through O-Pee-Chee, their
       Canadien subsidiary.  These players appear/appeared in the Russian
       Red Army insert set in this year's (and last year's?) OPC Hockey
       card set.  I wonder how/if the Canadien portion of this affects
       this.
    
    2) This is why ProSet had to pull CC3 and CC4.  These two players
       hadn't yet appeared in an NHL game (I actually think the minimum
       is six games to become a member of the NHLPA).  Their agents
       found out, and said "Send us an offer ProSet".  The bidding got
       too high, ProSet bowed out, and pulled the cards.  I wonder if
       ProSet will print these and make them available to the public
       once they're members of the NHLPA ... ?
    
    3) Yeah, vigorously monitoring my ars!  I count 15 major sets
       coming out this year of Hockey, never MIND all the draft picks
       sets (Classic, Classic French, Arena, Arena French, Smokey's,
       Smokey's French, Star Pics ...)
    
       Pro Set     Topps          Upper Deck   Score
       -------     -----          ----------   -----
       Regular     Regular        Regular      American
       French      Tiffany        French       Canadien/B
       Platinum    Bowman                      Canadien/E
       Parkhurst   Tiffany                     ?? Pinnacle ??
                   O-Pee-Chee
                   Stadium Club
    
    
    Oh yeah, and one other thing.  There's a vicious rumor going around,
    and dealers are using it to drive up the SELL price of the Lindros
    Card (#9 - Canada Cup subset) in this year's UD set.  They're claiming
    that Score is suing UD over their using his likeness when they have
    an exclusive contract.  This is NOT TRUE.  Upper Deck has a contract
    that allows them to produce cards of the players in the Canada Cup
    in their Canada Cup uniforms.  This card will NOT be pulled from
    production as the rumor-mongers would have you believe.
    
    -rjk
    
                                                  

    
    
    
    AAAAHHHHH!
    I got soaked for seven bucks by believing that rumour and buying
    one so that when I finally got around to getting this set I'd
    have this card (#9) regardless.
    i feel so used................
    
    Regarding holograms, I suppose that since they are of award winners
    that you could make an educated guess about the last 3 by looking at
    the award winners who aren't yet holograms.
    For example;
    Mario Lemieux got the Con Smythe for playoff MVP
    Ed Belfour got 3 awards (Calder, Vezinna and one other)
    
    Which leaves one to squirm on....
    
    Bill
    

    
    Don't feel too bad, bill, the high beckett's price for #9 st. eric 
    is $7 bucks sans rumor mongering.  At least in this area $7 is not 
    that bad, I have seen them at shows for anywhere from $6 to $12.
    
    jeff
    

    
    Yesterday I got a couple of boxes from Toys R Us and I got 2 holograms
    out of the first box I open 1 AW6 Gretzky and 1 AW5 Bourque.  the next
    box I opened I got 10 AW5 Bourques. TEN of the same holo! At first I
    didn't know if I should be psyched being in the Boston area and all. 
    But after reading this note I'm pretty bummed that there are 9 holo's 
    in the set.  If any of you would be willing to trade any other holo's 
    for a Bourque holo Please contact me....   
    
                                     Ron Plourde
      

    I have had the WORST luck with these little buggers so far!!!
    I have bought/been given 20 packs so far and only gotten 2 holos(1,6)
    and not so much as seen 1 of those heros cards. 
    I bought a Lindros because I believed a rumor and who do you think I
    got in my 5th pack? 
    
    wayne?   Nope
    
    Brett?  uh-uh
    
    Sergei?  Nyet
    
    Mario?  mama mia, no way
    
    yup, you guessed it, everyone's favorite man-child-->Eric Lindros
    
    Oh well, whatta gonna do? 
    Happy Holidays
    Bill                                                             

    The last hologram is of Dirk Graham.  It is supposed to be in with the
    High numbers boxes.

    >> .56  <<
    Cheer up 1992 is around he corner,your luck might change. ;-)
    
    
    John M.
    

    
    FWIW...
    
    Up here (Ottawa, Ont. Canada) McDonalds is pushing UD hockey cards for
    a "limited time".
    
    For $.29 (29 cents) with the purchase of any soft drink you get a pack
    of hockey cards. Each paqck contains 3 cards and one hologram.
    
    The cards are UD with McDonalds splashed around on them including a
    little mettalic golden arches symbol on the back.
    
    There are 25 cards and 6 (?) holograms to the set.
    
    (I have the checklist at home)
    
    I'm not normally one for holograms (until now, I owned none) but I must
    admit, these are beautiful in their detail.
    
    Are these things available at U.S. McDonald's?
    
    (Just wondering if I'm gonna have anyone to trade with...)
     
    
    Regards,
    
    R.M.F.

    
    	I went to MacDonalds recently, and they don't have the hockey
    	cards/hologram pack "deal" that you mentioned.  That is not to
    	say that they will have it in the future, but not so far.
    
    	The last "deal" they had at MacDonalds was the 3 different
    	Indiana Jones movies for $6 each.
    
	If it turns out that the MacDonalds USA is not going to carry
    	the deal you mentioned, I would be interested in trading with
    	you for the packs, and I'm sure there are probably many other
    	noters here that would also be interested, so get as many of
    	those packs as you can, because you're going to be busy trading.

    
    RE: last reply
    
    1. did you mean you'd be interested in opened packs or just unopened
    ones?
    
    2. (I'm getting darned sick of McDonald's cokes... course it couldn't
    be as bad as "Moo-Town snackers"....8-)   )
    
    R.M.F.
    

    
    	Re: -1
    
    	Professor,
    
    		I am interested in unopened packs, although I am not
    	ruling out single cards and/or Holograms.  Are you allowed to
    	buy just one pack every time you buy a coke, or can you buy
    	more than one pack when you buy a coke ?.  If it's the latter,
    	that means a lot of cokes, and a lot of trips to MacDonalds.
    
    		If I had to guess, I would say it's the latter, because
    	that's how they would get the most money out of the consumer.
    	Either way, I would still be interested in trading.
    
    					Juan

    
    
    one pack per coke, as many cokes as you like...
    
    Works out to about $1.20 per pack or 30 cents per card assuming you
    toss the coke.
    
    R.M.F.

I heard that in the US, it will be UD Basketball instead of hockey...

Dan

    I saw the Jumbo packs yesterday, a dealer shagged a box or two in
    Toronto and was selling them for $3 bucks a pop. I know that sounds OK
    based on what the Baseball jumbo packs were like but these only had
    a whoping 17 cards in them. Yup, add 5 cards and they triple the price.
    As I was wrestling with myself to buy a pack or two, some yutz shelled
    out over $60 clams for the remaining 20 or so packs.
    I saw the Fedorov and Jagr E cards too.
    I also saw alot of dealers with the SP1 and Heros of Hockey title card.
    They were asking around $12 for each of these cards.
    
    
    I'm gonna start collecting butterflies,
    Bill
    

    
    Yeah, I saw one dealer with a box of these yesterday.  $3.75/pack,
    and at the next table, you could find the baseball jumbos for $2.50
    (and there were 27 cards in the baseball versus 17 in hockey).
    
    Curious Bill -- was anyone selling the "E" cards?  How much?
    
    -rjk_who_has_a_Federov_and_Jagr_E_card_8^)

    I think the Jagr was $8 (not really sure, saw so many prices and Jagrs
    yesterday its all kind of fuzzy now) and the Fedorov I saw was gotten by a
    kid and the guy who bought 20+ packs was trying to trade him a SP1 for
    it BEFORE he had opened all 20 packs.
    
    Being so close to the border, everyone had those McDonalds cards too.
    The cards themselves didn't seem to be a big deal and the holograms
    were going for around the same prices as the holograms in this years
    set ($2-$4).I have a feeling they are going to be like the Dominoes
    football and end up being about $20 for the whole set in a few months.
    [holograms I saw were Gretzky, Chelios, Hull and Bourque]
    
    Gonna have to make a run for the border on of these days, 
    Bill
    

So what's the story on these E cards.  Are they only available in the Jumbo 
packs, or are they also/only in the Wax Boxes?  How many in the subset?

How many packages in a Jumbo box? and how much in a Jumbo box going for?

From what I've read in the notes there is the:

1) Hull HOH subset (9 cards and the 10th is the signed one, correct?)
2) Award Winner (AW) holograms 1-9
3) E cards of European Stars 1-9

Please comment so I can get it straight.
    
Tom

>So what's the story on these E cards.  Are they only available in the Jumbo 
>packs, or are they also/only in the Wax Boxes?  How many in the subset?

Good questions.  I haven't started UD hockey (yet :-).  I've only picked
up a handful of packs along the way to get a peek - but I've gotten a couple
of the E cards in the regular (non-jumbo) packs.  I haven't seen the jumbo
myself...

Dan

    
>So what's the story on these E cards.  Are they only available in the Jumbo 
>packs, or are they also/only in the Wax Boxes?  How many in the subset?

    	The story I heard from one dealer is that that some got into
    	the regular wax, but in general they are available in the jumbos
    	ala the silver sluggers from baseball.
    
>How many packages in a Jumbo box? and how much in a Jumbo box going for?

    	Not sure.
    
>From what I've read in the notes there is the:
>
>1) Hull HOH subset (9 cards and the 10th is the signed one, correct?)
    
    	Not quite, 10th one is the "cover card", no number on it, hockey
    	heroes logo across the front, short printed as compared to the
    	other 9 hero cards.  I believe the signed ones are actually one
    	of the number hero cards, haven't heard of anyone getting one
    	though.
    
>2) Award Winner (AW) holograms 1-9
    
    	Correct.
    
>3) E cards of European Stars 1-9

    	I believe there are at least 20 of them.
    
    jeff
    

    Signed card is allegedly number 9 of 9 in the Hull Hockey Heroes set.
    This has a painting of Hull on the front, and a checklist for the
    9 cards in the series on the back.
    
    Not that I have actually seen a signed one - the cover card for the
    series has a paragraph on the back declaring this to be so.
    
    Louise
    

The McDonald's UD hockey set promotion seems to be over now. Ran from aprox. 
Dec.26 to Jan. 11

The set consists of 25 cards (including the checklist) and 6 holograms of the 
All Star team.

You had to buy a drink @ aprox. $.89 to be able to buy a pack (3 cards & 1 Holo)
at an additional $.29.

VERY FEW instances of being able to get more than one pack with one drink. (I 
was never able to.) (Trying to avoid the Domino's Pizza debacle, I guess)

According to a sports card column  in the local newspaper this past weekend- the 
set is going for $20. to $30. locally and apparently more south of the border.

Nice looking cards and great looking HOLO's.

Prof.

    
    Saw packs for this, this weekend.  $3 at one show, $6 at another.
    
    Hologram set was available for $15.
    
    No card sets were available, but singles were $2-3
    
    -rjk

    
    
    
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    -R.M.F.

    
    UD HI number hockey is already out Mike?  Are you sure?  Did you
    maybe mean this for the FB note ... ?
    
    -rjk

Read in Sports Illustrated last night that one of Topps Hockey Cards (don't
remember the player off hand)  had to be touched up since the photo
had the Upper Deck logo in the background from the advertisement they have
painted on the hockey boards.  It said they turned the p into a b?

    I just aquired a French Canadian Sergie Federov Eurostar card ( E9 ).
    
    I am a little puzzled as to it's worth ! I got offers rangig from $12
    to $40, from dealers no less !!
    
    I probably should have sold it for the $40, but I hate selling cards
    when I have no clue what they are worth.
    
    Apparently the French Canadian cards are MUCH rarer than the American
    Eurostar cards. Anyone have any more information to help me get a bead
    on the worth of this thing.
    
    thanks

    
    I saw boxes of the french jumbos going for $120 ($6.50/pack) this
    weekend, with *SETS* of the French "E" cards going for $75.
    
    Since there are 20 cards in the set, tha works out to $3.75 a
    card.  Of course Federov, Jagr, and a few of the others are worth
    more.  If you scale it down, I'd say the Federov would be about
    $15 of that, scaling down to the "commons" being $3.75 each.
    
    I'd have taken the $40 ...

    
    Has anyone heard the deal on the American jumbos?  One dealer told
    me that both the American *and* French were only distributed in
    Canada and thus the high prices for both we are seeing down here
    south of the boarder.  This weekend French boxes were $125, $7/pack 
    and the American was $65/box.  And I thought the UD Basketball jumbos
    were a ripoff!
    
    Please let us know if anyone spots these around in stores, they also
    carry $1.99 SRP.
    
    jeff
    

    
    I forgot to add you get only like 17 cards in these hockey jumbos,
    so not even a decent amount of cards like the basketball.
    

    I was told by several dealers ( none of whom had the jumbos's, so they
    had nothing to gain ) that Upper Deck told there Canadian dealers they
    were not to wholesale the jumbo packs to American dealers, and if they
    were caught they would not be sold any more themselfs.
    
    Why, I don't know !!
    
    The two people that had them at the show I went to last night both
    claim to have gone to Canada to get them. ( yeh right ! )
    
    They were selling briskly at $3.50 a pack $65/box

    
    Here again we have the insert card bs from Upper Deck, what's the
    big deal about a few Eurostars?  At least the basketball inserts
    are some sort of rookie cards, the euro's are not.  Having the
    french version too is just total crap.
    
    jeff
    

    I don't know if I'd call Federov, Jagr, Nedved, etc.. ( all eurocards )
    crap !
    
    I'd put them in the same class if not higher than the basketball
    rookies !

    
    When will the extended set come out ??? Does anyone have details as to 
    how many cards it will be ?  
    
    Ron (who's waiting for those silly holo's)

    Does anyone know for sure that there actually will be an extended set?
    I was under the impression that 1-500 was it for this year.  I thought
    that the extended set was issued last year because the first series was
    so limited. Just when I thought I was almost there.....

    
    I doubt UD would miss the chance to inflict more cards and
    holos/inserts on us, there will be high number hockey...
    

    
    just read the blurb in advance comics that they will have the wax packs
    with "high number cards salted in with packs of regular series cards."
    Just like football with 2 or 3 high number cards in a pack of 12.
    
    ouch,
    bill
    

    
    FYI, there are 18 E-cards.
    
    -rjk

    Between me and a couple of guys I work with who also collect
    UD hockey, we have opened 8 or 9 boxes of foil packs and
    none of us have seen a single E card.  What gives on these?
    I saw some talk in here earlier that the E cards only appeared
    in the "jumbo packs". Has anyone seen jumbo packs for sale
    anywhere in eastern Ma/Southern NH?  Just curious.....I vowed I
    wasn't going to buy any more packs of these d**n cards!
    
    Louise

    Yes the jumbos are around and are the only place to get the E
    cards.  Saw American for $60/box and french for $100/box this
    past weekend at a show in southern nh.  I believe roy (or his BIL)
    got lucky early on and found some E-uro's in wax, but this is
    an exception and apparently they were in only some early wax boxes
    (and very few of them).  You might be better off searching for a set
    rather than buying expensive jumbos, although they won't be cheap
    however you try to obtain them.  
    
    jeff
    

    FYI-
    
    UD's extended set will be 200 cards.  The total set is going to be 700
    cards.  The subsets will include: Heroes of Hockey, Bloodlines,
    Youngguns, Canada Cup and Olympics, an insert set (don't know who),
    Allstars cards.  There may be others that I do not remember.  I got the
    info from a dealer friend who showed me his order sheet.  
    
    Dealers are limited to 1 case of wax packs per order, they may also
    order 1 case of factory sets.  The prices to the dealer were 417.60 per
    case, 24 boxes to a case, 36 packs a box.  SRP is supposed to be .79
    cents.  Factory set cases are 675.  I forget how many a case, but the
    SRP is 18.95.  Shipments of wax is supposed to begin march 5, factory
    sets march 28.
    
    With a dealer cost of 17 bucks a box, these guys make a lot of money on
    this stuff.  Look for it to be hyped hot like last year due to the fact
    that supposedly all dealers can only order the one case.
    
    enjoy.
    
    jon

    Anybody seen or heard any specifics about these yet? There is a guy
    selling them thru the classified adds in the paper for $28/box. I'm
    kind of logy about buying alot of the same crap over again so I was
    wondering if anyone had seen anything, knew who the hero subset is of,
    or how the other subsets are or if its just a bunch of yutzes who UD
    blew off the first time around.
    
    
    pondering,
    bill
    

    wish I knew I have the same questions... Will U.D release a high number 
    factory set including the AW4 AW8 AW9 holo's ?
    
     

    
    
    you can be sure the factory set will NOT include the holograms.
    
    UD has never included the insert holos, sp* cards, heroes cards,
    etc. as part of the "complete" factory set.
    
    of course, seems like kind of an oxymoron, doesn't it?

    
    
    	Roy,
    
    		I have seen you use that word "oxymoron" more than
    	once, and I didn't know what it meant, so I looked it up,
    	and I wiished I hadn't, now I'm more confused than before.
    
    		Here is what the dictionary says:
    
    	Oxymoron - A rhetorical figure in which an epigrammatic effect
    		is created by a paradoxical conjunction of terms.
    
    		Talk about double talk, that one takes the cake !!!.
    
    		Sounds like something a politician made up.
    

    
    Oxymoron examples:
    
    	military intelligence
    	student athlete
    	card-collecting investor
    
    No heroes in UD high numbers, yes the wax has 3 leftover holos,
    only factories of the high set, I don't believe there will be a full
    factory, although it would be the only sport this year they don't
    do it for.
    
    jeff
    

    
    Yeah, Jeff gave you some typical examples of oxymorons.
    
    I'm not sure I used it 100% correctly in reference to UD, but what
    I was trying to say is ...
    
    When UD calls a set a "complete" set, it's not really
    complete.  In UD land, there is no such thing as a COMPLETE set.
    
    -rjk

    
    And thus you get the UD "Master Set", perhaps thats another thing
    that we should give UD credit for popularizing.  A master set,
    hand collated, for UD football would be:
    
    1-700 (high series can be factory high), Montana and Nameth *10*
    card heroes subsets, game breaker holos gb1-gb9, SP1 Green fastest and
    SP2 Shula 300, and one each unopened low series and high number packs.
    (Fanatics might add promos, special event cards, superbowl handouts,
    etc.)
    
    Now, does anyone want to buy one for 91-92 football, hockey or
    basketball?  (last two are pre-order, get them before they're gone!
    football is 'live' ;-)  Act now.
    
    jeff
    

    Ok guys, I hit the comic book shop and they had packs of high series
    and I shagged a few. Here what's what:
    -all 6 packs had 4 high number cards out of 12 cards
    -I got AW8- Dirk Grahm (chicago) and AW9- Mario Lemieux
    -The subsets included > players at the all-star game
    	  		  > old hockey greats on black + white cards
    			  > Bloodlines (didja know P. Bure has a brother?)
    			  > world junior champions
    			  > more Canada Cup cards
    			  > Young guns cards
    -I there is NO, repeat NO mention of any "Find the XXXXXX" on the
    package and I didn't get heros of hockey type cards. Maybe they 86'ed
    this scam for the high #'s although I doubt that.
    -packs were .99$ and boxes were $29
    -they didn't have factory update sets so I have no idea on a price on
    that
    
    Bill
    
    
    -the holograms were inserted into the middle of the pack so shifty
    dealers can no longer put a little scratch on the back of the pack to
    check for holos
    

    
    The high number factory sets are out, picked up my pre-orders
    today, similar little box to football.
    

    
    Anyone know anything about complete factory sets?  They were
    supposed to be issued this year, and since the high number
    factory sets have been out a while, I'm beginning to wonder ...
    
    -rjk

Article 5218 of clari.sports.hockey:
From: [email protected] (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.hockey
Subject: Lindros trading card a fake
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:37:05 GMT


	TORONTO (UPI) -- A trading card of Philadelphia Flyers rookie Eric
Lindros is a fake, the NHL Players Association revealed Friday.
	NHLPA director of licensing Ted Saskin said Upper Deck's Lindros card
No. 88 includes a photo of Lindros' head placed on the body of a
teammate. According to Saskin, Upper Deck waited until the card was
manufactured and was being distributed before telling the NHLPA the
picture was not genuine.
	An Upper Deck spokesman did not return phone regarding the Lindros
card.
	Lindros, who was the No. 1 pick of the 1991 draft by Quebec and
traded to Philadelphia last summer after refusing to play for the
Nordiques, is heralded as the next NHL superstar.

    
    Yes it is the 92-93 UD hockey, I saw the same story in a local
    saturday paper.  This apparent fact is already being imbellished
    by those hoping to profit from the situation.  I have had two
    different people repeat the news story, but then go on to say
    UD is "pulling" the current #88 and will substitute another Lindros.
    
    Maybe this is UD's way of hyping what would otherwise be a fairly
    routine hockey issue for them.
    
    jeff
    
    p.s. How come none of hockey collecting maniacs has started a 92-93 
    	 note yet??
    

    I read an article yesterday that quoted UD.  They said they were sorry
    and they wouldn't stop printing that card and replace it cause it would
    cause 2 short print cards that were collectible, and Lindros family
    requested that they don't make this into a profitable situation for UD.

    There's no 92-93 note, so I'll put this here...
    
    There's an add in today's USA Today sports section.  All star ballot
    and with 10 low-number wrappers, and $2, they'll send you 2 "limited
    edition" All-star game commemorative sheets.

    Anyone know who's in the All-World Set?  I got W1- Gretzky.  How many
    are there and who's in it?