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    I purchased a few packs tonight at a local gas station, .60/pack,
    full boarderless picture photo fronts with color headshots on back.
    They look rather nice and it maybe my imagination, but it appears
    that the card stock maybe slightly better than previous ProSet issues.
    I noticed only one or two frayed sides, contrasted with the football in
    which several cards a pack have choppy boarders.
    
    In each of the two packs I got one Hockey hall of fame and museum subset
    cards which have a simiulated faded b&w photo look.   Nice cards, even
    if ProSet might just be a bit early, football in april and now hockey
    in early august, sigh.
    
    jeff
    

    
    Actually Jeff, ProSet had intented to have their Hockey out in early
    JULY, rather than early AUGUST.
    
    And I did see some at a show in early July, but the dealer wanted
    $19/box ...

    50� per pack the last couple of weeks at the Westford flea market.  One
    guy wanted 75� but they weren't moving.  See my needs list....
    
    Dick

    How many cards in the set ...???  440 ?
    
    BOBBY C...

    
    So far as I can tell, there's 345 in Series 1, plus two "special
    collectible" cards; CC1 (NHL Entry Draft) and CC2 (????)
    
    -rjk

There are four "Collectible" >CC#< cards in the first series. I got Falloon, 
CC3, and "The Mask",CC4 in a box.

JMP

I got a whole set minus two cards in a box, thats pretty good distribution in 
my book.

    Pro-Set Hockey cards aren't to bad, but they chip very easily on the 
    sides. Maybe they need to sharpen the blade. Last years set and their
    Desert Storm cards chipped also. I'm surprised that they didn't
    overcome the problem. Not bad, but nothing to write home about.
    
    Fred
     

RE: last

Oops, you're right on that CC# .Right on that subset. Really interesting 
information and good old photos. Amazing they didn't get "really" hurt playing 
in the older uniforms/pads/etc.
If I ever make it to Toronto, I'll definitely have to get to the Hockey Hall 
of Fame.

JMP

    
    So are there three or four "CC" cards ... ?
    

The four CC cards in 91-92 Pro Set Hockey Series I for those who 
are wondering:

CC1 - NHL draft - taken from high up in the stands.
CC2 - Patrick Roy's face mask
CC3 - Pat Falloon
CC4 - Scott Niedermayer

Also note of course that there is no Lindros card in this set...since he hasn't
signed with a team yet.  Score still has exclusive rights.

Just finished collating a box late last night and am missing only 4 cards
if I recall.  Got the CC2 card (Roy's mask).

I've yet to scratch the 36 game pieces...anyone win anything?

Cheers,
Dan

>    I can't read the backs), but who are Pat Faloon and Scott Niedermayer ?
>    Draft picks or something ? I guess I should stick with baseball cards.

You guessed it.  The number 2 and number 3 draft picks (behind Lindros
at number 1 of course).

Dan

    re:  Lindros
    
    That's right.  Eric wanted to make a buck or two so he signed
    an exlusive marketing agreement with Score last year.  That
    allow Score to print his Hockey and Baseball cards until he
    signs a Pro Contract.  Once he is a member of the NHL then its
    open business for the other companies to print his cards.
    
    Newc

    I purchased a box yesterday for $15 and was shocked that I recieved
    about 10 duplicate packs(packs identical card for card to a previous
    pack in the box) and the one "CC" card I got (mask) has an edge on it
    which looks like it was cut with a lawn mower. Needless to say, I need
    about 50 or so cards to finish the set. I'm not having the same luck
    with them that I had with O-Pee-Chee Premier (2 Fedorov & 2 Hull in 3
    packs). I've had it with these bozos and am going to sit tight for
    Score & Upper Deck.

    Has anyone seen what dealers are charging for the top cards in this set
    (especially the CC cards)? I haven't been to a shop or a show in a
    while and what Beckett's says and what dealers ask are often worlds
    apart. I hope to hit a flea market this weekend.
    
    (I was able to salvage the situation in 296.18 by trading all my
    doubles for the ones I needed AND a pair of hockey pants. It wasn't as
    bad as I originally thought, there are only 345 cards in the set.)

    I have no problem with not getting the entire set out of a box, it's a
    long shot no matter what your sport or company. I don't enjoy getting
    two packs that contain the EXACT cards in the exact order. I got this
    about a dozen times in my box. 
    I also said some of my cards, including my sole CC card, had been
    poorly cut. This was mention by others in this file.
    I'm sure I only got a bad box. If I were to buy another box I would
    probably get a better distribution of cards.
    
    

You know those 'scratch-n-win' game cards in each pack of the new
Pro-Set hockey...  At a show in CT yesterday a guy at one table was 
selling them for a quarter each!  I couldn't believe it!  

Actually, yes I can believe it...I remember thinking that someone 
might do that, but to actually see it was still sort of a surprise.

Saw the Roy face mask card (CC1?) - asking was $6.  The overhead draft
shot - asking was $5.  (These special inserts don't really thrill me, so
I didn't bite.)

Cheers,
Dan

    
    	I was at a shop today where they had to Roy CC2 card 
    	for approximately $2-$3.  However, the same place had
    	a Pat Falloon CC3 card.  I was all set to buy it and
    	
    	  I asked "What's the price on the Falloon CC card??".
    	  The guy said "Two fifty".  
    	  I said "I'll take it."
    	  He said "Thats two hundred and fifty".
    	  I fell on the floor *^).
    
    	Can you believe it.  $250 for a CC3 card.
    
    	Newc

    
    Here's the scopp on CC3 and CC4.  They were not supposed to be
    released until series II.  Some did get released in Series I
    (a mistake?  oh sure .....), but were pulled from production
    shortly after this was noticed (oh yeah, right).
    
    They, as far as I've been told, will be released in series 2.
    
    Don't pay outrageous prices for these cards.  Wait.
    
    
    (Mayhap PS should sto pprinting cards "an hour after they design"
     and spend a little time on QC ... works wonders).
        
    -rjk

    Isn't it amazing that Pro-Set Hockey cards were picked as the sport
    card of the National Hockey League? Although, I can believe that.
    The league can't even get a major television contract so why not
    go with the worst sport card in the marketplace. If anybody out
    there is going to manufacture quality sport cards, watch what Pro-
    Set does, and don't do it........Fred

    re: .23
    
    I've seen and heard of a lot of ridiculous, unsubstantiated,
    shot-in-the-dark prices in this and the comic collecting business, but
    this one deserves a speicial award!  
    
    I think we (noters) should all chip in and get a placque for this store
    to display in their window denoting their leading position in the card
    collecting marketplace.  Something like:
    
    
                    <Insert shop name>
    
    
    		MOST UNBELIEVABLE PRICE AWARD
    
    		With absolutely no prompting, <store name>
    		went beyond human endurance in creating a
    		price so outragious that it was not one...
    		but TWO!! orders of magnitude off the market
    		rate.
    
    				Signed,
    
    				Noters of Digital
    
    
    What do you think!?  THis is the sort of customer service and trust
    that most stores strive for but few ever achieve!
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Bill from Ottawa

    
    Ha!  I like the idea Bill, but unfortunately I doubt Digital would
    approve.
    
    We could have little certificates made up, or perhaps even stickers
    (the kind with PERMANENT glue) -- WINDOW STICKERS -- and place them
    on windows and display cases, and ...
    
    (this is all of course in jest, no one is to take this seriously, or
     do this.  if they do, they must acknowledge this disclaimer! this is
     all in JEST folks!)

    I saw these two cards(CC3 + CC4) yesterday for $30, a slight improvement
    but they'll be down to $5 or less when series II comes out and has to
    compete with a dozen other hockey cards of higher quality. 
    In case anyone hasn't seen these cards yet, don't even waste the effort
    of turning your head to catch a glimpse because they are the worst 
    looking cards in the set. The players are slumped on stools in front
    of a white wall(picture taken at draft). yea, wow.
    I hate myself because I'm a sucker for these CC cards and I know I'll
    pick them up when the price comes down.
    Don't bother me, I'm gonna go hang my head low and stand in the corner.
    
                                           Leave me to my CC shame,
                                              Bill @RCO
                                               

    
    Bill, even a lowly CC-lover like yourself can be rehabilitated.
    
    You must learn patience, persistence, and overall, the ability
    to just say NO.
    
    If you take it one day at a time, and follow our patented 12-step
    program, you should be cured.
    
    Step 1.  Every time you are tempted to buy one of these over-hyped,
             mass-produced, overly-expensive pieces of cardboard caca,
             repeat OUT LOAD 100 times:  "It's only cardboard".
    
    Step 2.  Look in the price guide at past issues to see if they have
             retained the high prices charged for them.
    
    Step 3.  Leave your wallet at home.  You'll find that after not being
             ABLE to buy it, you won't be as upset as you thought you
    	     would be.
    
    Step 4.  Try trading with a fellow noter.  Don't wait for him to peruse
             his want-list, peruse his first.  Tell him what you have that
             he needs, and ask if by chance, he has an extra CC card laying
             around.  I've gotten quite a few of my CC cards this way
    	     myself.
    
    Step 5.  Buy a wax box.  The money is much better spent, and you may
             get a CC card anyway!
    
    Step 6.  Get nostalgiac.  Look at some really old cards.  Say to your-
    	     self "Geez, for that $30 they want for CC3, I can buy a nice
             1970 Yaz, or a couple of Topps 1964 Supers".
    
    Step 7.  Take your wife, girlfriend, mother, most disdaining friend
    	     along with you.  Someone whose very likely to scoff LOUDLY
    	     if they see you purchasing a piece of cardboard for $30.
    	     An ugly one at that.
    
    Step 8.  Give me your money.  I'll do better things with it than spend
    	     it on a CC card.
    
    Step 9.  Give me some MORE of your money.  This advice ain't cheap you know!
    
    Step X.  Begin smoking cigarettes.  That excess money you wanted to
    	     waste on a CC card will disappear so quick, you'll no longer
    	     even consider buying the cards.  Of course step X is a drastic
    	     step, and may require additional fees for our other seminar
    	     "how to quit smoking you foul-smelling thing you".
    
    Step XI. How many of you didn't think I could count to 11, much less
    	     come up with that many reasons?  Me neither.
    
    Step 12. Go to step 1.
    
    -rjk

    Gee, all I need now is a hug and I'll be able to wait until those 
    suckers drop to a couple of bucks.
    
    Thanks rjk. I'll keep my eyes peeled for an *affordable* Score Young
    Superstars set for you but its gonna be tough with Mr. I'm-too-darn-
    talented & pretty-to-play-for-Quebec in it.
    
    BTW, I've never spent more than $11 for a single card with the
    exceptions of '70 Gordie Howe($20) and a Gretzky rookie for $100
    (I had to haggle for a while and agree to buy an UD high # set for
    $30 too)

    
    
    
     Has anyone else gotten those NHL 75th Anniversry which ProSet handed
    out at the first game of the season? A friend got me a pack at the
    Sabres-Penguins game. He said there are a half a dozen cards with a mix
    of past and current players and a card with all the team emblems. He
    says they're OK (the price was right) but there nothing compared
    All-Rookie Team sheet Upper Deck handed out at the draft this summer.
    Anybody else get anything worth mentioning in one of the packs?
    
    
    								Bill    

    I noticed that series 2 is out. I picked up a couple of packs to see
    what they were like. As can be expexted, they  are identical to series
    1. They only thing worth commenting on is that I got a Pat Falloon
    regular card. I guess that they came to some arrangement because the
    big huff over series 1 was that they made a CC card of him without his
    permission. I wonder if they'll now release his CC in series 2.
    I haven't heard or seen what the deal is with CC cards for series 2
    or what the story is with Neidermeyer.
    
    Bill
    

    
    Series II (English and French) are both available now.
    
    270 card set (#346-615), with 5 additional CC cards (CC5-CC9).
    Unfortunately, CC3 and CC4 aren't part of this series.  Don't
    fret, the prices ARE dropping on them tho' ...
    
    The French edition is a numbered-case, 5,000 cases only
    production, with up to 80% of the product slated for Canadien
    dealers.  But remember, they supposedly only produced 8,000 cases
    of series I, and that eventually dropped to $8-12/box.
    
    Personally, I think series II French is going to be a little harder
    to find than other PS products.  I haven't seen it yet at a show,
    and BJ's only got one case.
    
    Distribution is good (I and my BIL opened an English box, he opened
    a French box).
    
    	English:  Both fell a couple cards (2 I blv) shy of one set,
    		  and about 10-15 shy of a second set.  3 CC cards in
    		  each box.
    
    	French:   Complete set, about 8-10 cards shy of a second set.
    		  2 CC cards.
    
    -rjk

    
    Oh yeah, the main reason I got into this note ... sheesh ...
    
    ProSet is coming out with yet ANOTHER hockey product this year.
    They've bought the rights to distribute a candy confection called
    "the puck".
    
    Each "puck" will have 3 "puck" hockey cards in it, with the set of
    "puck" cards consisting of 30 different cards.
    
    The cards look just like regular ProSet from this year, except they
    have the work "PUCK" in a batman type (zap! pow!  wham!) graphic
    in the upper-right corner.
    
    
    So let's see.  Hockey sets from PS in 1991-92:
    
    Pro Set Series I
    Pro Set Series II
    Pro Set Series I (French)
    Pro Set Series II (French)
    Pro Set Platinum I	(was there a french version of this?)
    Pro Set Platinum II
    Parkhurst I
    Parkhurst II
    Parkhurst I (French)
    Parkhurst II (French)
    "Puck"
    
    Anything else?  Are you listening John Ziegler?
    
    -rjk

    By the Way, I told the candy is really great.  My dealer, in W. Acton, got
    a case of "pucks" in last friday and they were all gone by mid-Sunday
    afternoon.  He is trying to get in several more cases of the stuff.  If 
    anyone is interested, I'll let you know when he gets it.
    
    Well, instead of gum to keep dentists in business, we continue to have 
    candy.
    
    This might be a great trivia question:
    
    How many different types of candy had cards in them?  By the way, I'm
    not sure of the answer.  
    
    Or how many candy bars have been named after famous athletes?
    
    Regards,
    Denny

    yes virginia, there is a hologram for proset hockey.
    
    Like last years stanley cup hologram, this year its of the 75th
    anniversary insignia over a hockey rink. The really neat thing about it
    is that it is RED. Yes, you heard me right.  I saw it this weekend and
    as much as I like holos, the $200 price tag brought me to my senses.
    I forgot to ask if it came in regular or platinum cards.
    
    Bill
    

    A dealer at the BGHS show this weekend told me that the ProSet
    hologram was in with the regular (not Platinum) Series II.
    

    Nobody's said nothing about THE PUCK ?!?
    
    	Proset's latest assult on our wallets, teeth and waistline is the
    PUCK. Its a round candy bar shaped like a puck (duh) and it comes with
    3 cards, similar to this years proset regular hockey cards. They are
    going for .75-->$1.00 and there are 30 cards in the set.
    
    I bought 3 pucks for the cards, ate one puck and knew right then and
    there this was one set I was going to have to live without.I can't get
    those things down with a gallon of milk or a garden hose.
    
    maybe I'll save 'em for halloween or something,
    Bill
    

    
    I thought I had mentioned Puck elsewhere.  Maybe it just got
    overlooked.
    
    I too have eaten my first, and believe me, my last "Puck".
    
    But I've met people who LOVE the things.  *Ugh*.
    
    There are 30 cards, but I'll bet before long, there are another
    30 (no telling if they'll also be numbered #1-30, but one would
    hope they'd be numbered 31-60).
    
    I would think that ProSet's intention here is to sell the candy.
    They already have enough card sets out there that I don't believe
    their main thrust is the cards.  The cards are being used to entice
    people into buying the candy bar.
    
    As such, I'm sure they don't care how many cards they produce.  I don't
    doubt that once this candy bar leaves the test markets and goes to
    national distribution that these cards will be every where.  As it is
    now, I've yet to see them in a store, only at card shows.
    
    I've seen complete sets for $15-20 Bill, so maybe that's the way
    to go.
    
    -rjk

    
    Boy, I can tell you guys are not candy lovers!!
    
    For those of us who really love candy (in all kinds and shapes) these
    Pucks are great!!!  But then again, we've had this conversation before,
    right Roy?
    
    This type of product is the whole reason for trading cards in the first
    place, so I'm told.  The manufacturers wanted to sell gum, so they
    cards as a way to sell more.
    
    Anyway, just thought I'd share an opposite point of view.
    
    Come on, Pucks Series II...
    
    Regards,
    Denny
    
    
    

Just got a mail msg from the mailing list on the internet that said
that at 3pm today, ProSet announced it was going Chapter 11.

Dan

    Not surprising ... While the Platinum products weren't bad and the
    Parkhurst set was the  best  hockey  set (IMHO), the rest of their
    stuff was pretty boring and they didn't do baseball cards.  I know
    Impel (now SkyBox) had  their  troubles (how many series of Marvel
    Comics can you do anyway) and their new football cards are nothing
    to write home about, although they do have the Quarterback Club in
    it. I wonder how many more companies will fold.
    
    John

       Does this mean my WLAF sets will be worth MILLIONS!!?
                                        Denny

    billions.

    Here's some confirmation from Dallas.  ProSet did infact declare
    Chapter 11 yesterday.  They have, or will be, laying off 50% of their
    work force.  I don't remember how many that was but it's mostly in
    their administrative offices.  Their printing operations have been
    reduced but not to the extent of admin.  The reasons they are giving
    are mis-management of assets and the extravagant nature of the founder.
    
    If I remember, I will dig out the article from yesterday's paper.
    
    joe

    I've vowed not to buy Pro-Set hockey cards any longer, not
    even Parkhurst. They still have a problem with chipping
    along their edges and that even includes their top of the
    line cards like Parkhurst. As far as I'm concerned, they
    make the worst set of all card makers......
    
    Fred
    

	Just how bad and over produced are the Pro Set cards...?

	A retail outlet store near my house is selling last
	years Football/Hockey packs 6/$1.

    
    	I have seen boxes of Pro Set football and Hockey at
    	the Keybee stores for $6 - $7, and they have tons
    	of them, they just sit there and they don't sell.