Conference school::sports_memorabilia

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                            * FYI *
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    If anyone is interested in pre-ordering Score Hockey cards
    the store in Hudson Mass, SMK is taking orders. Give them
    a call at 508-562-7898 to get the scoop on the price.
    
    Miguel 

    
    RE: .1
    
    	Yeah, I'd give them my business too, after the
    stunt they pulled with UD FB.
    
    	Go ahead, tell me "UD cut the orders", "lottery
    system", "lawsuit", etc.
    
    	Call SMK and ask them if they'll be getting UD
    FB in.  The answer is YES.
    
    	Then ask them if they are going to fill their
    pre-orders.  The answer is NO.
    
    	Scummy?  Understatement.
    
    						-rjk

    RE: .2
    
   First time shame on me OPC baseball.
    Second time shame on them UD FB.
     There will not be a third time.
    
    
    Something is rotten in Denmark.
     OPC cost is to high.
     UD FB is sold out.
     Score hockey's price has gone up.
    
    Ken

    Thanks guys, >.2 <     >.3 <
    I was just getting ready to call and  put my order in. 
    Is someone ( NOTER ) going to do any ordering from the factory,
    if so i'm interested for 3 boxes.............. John
    

    	I talked to Steve and SMK last night in Hudson, MA.  He
    	passed along the following information on the Score Hockey
    	cards for this year.  There will be three different versions
    	printed this year...
    
    	    USA - same as last year and will come in 1 series with
            a total of 440 cards.
    
    	    Canadian - the is the new addition as it will be in all
            english but it will have 660 cards and be distributed
            in Series I and Series II.
    
            Bi-Lingual - same as last year with both english/french
            printing.  This will also have 660 cards in 2 Series.
    
    	The pre-order forms are in from SMK and they have the following
    	prices setup.  As a note, Score has increased the retail price
    	of wax packs to $.55 this year.
    
    		All Wax Packs       $14.85  Box
                	           $285.00  Case (20 boxes)
    		USA Blister Packs  $120.00  Case (48 blisters)	
    
    		USA Set (440)       $14.40
                	           $330.00  Case (24 sets)
    
        	Canadian Set (660)  $21.50  
                	           $330.00  Case (16 sets)
    
    	The deadlines for pre-orders are Sept 6th for all wax packs
    	and blister packs.  The USA Sets deadline is Oct 11th.
    
    	Newc

    
    
    	There is an alternative to pre-ordering from SMK, you can do it from
    	Rotman's in Worcester. Here are the prices :
    
    	USA Factory Set		$ 13.99
    	Canadian Factory set	  19.95
    
    	Wax boxes		  13.99
    
    	The price is the same for all wax boxes, American or Canadian,
    	English or Bilingual, Series I or II.
    	 
	These prices are better than SMK, and with every order, you get
    	50 free Topps cards, you have about 4 different years to choose
    	from, but you have to ask for them, you don't get them automatically. 
    
	They also have Pro Line football boxes for $25.95. For non-sports
    	fans, they have STAR TREK wax boxes for $17, T2 boxes for $14

    
    	Forgot to mention that when I was at Rotman's yesterday, they also
    	had the new LINE DRIVE AA & LINE DRIVE AAA wax boxes, but don't
    	remember the prices, and I heard one of the girls talking to a
    	customer say that they will definitively have UD FOOTBALL next
    	week, but didn't know how much they will be selling it for.

    The 2500 Orr inserts... would those be in the american or canadian
    version?  Or both? 
    

    
      I read an ad in one of my comics that in the 440 cards to the US 
      set there will 4 bobby orr cards and 3 eric lindros cards there 
      is also a special very limited Orr & Lindros combined card both guys
      on it and X number (I think 1600) have been autographed by both
      people. 
    
      Does anyone know any more about this set or these special cards are
      they actually part of the regular set or are they really random
      inserts or are the autographed ones the random inserts ? 
    
      The ad also stated that you can by for $6. a special 40 card set of 
      stars and upcoming stars by mail order only.  
    
      When are SCORE expected to go on sale ? 
         
      Ron
    
    

    Hi, Noters
    
       Note 291.6 refrences the fact you can preorder 1991 Score Hockey
    Sets USA 440Card set for 14.40. I have been looking for Lindros Rookies
    and a few dealers have them for sale between 12-14 dollars.  I would
    rather pay 14.40 for a complete factory set if this is the set with
    that rookie card.  Could someone please give me advice on how to order
    through SMK, Phone number is what I am looking for.  Another noter
    mentioned Rotmans, for a better Price, but I live in N.H. do they take
    phone orders if so I would appreciate some advice.
    
                           Regards,
                             Don
        

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FRAGLE::GUTIERREZ "Who's on 1st.. What's on 2nd.."    7 lines  13-SEP-1991 09:35
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    	Yes, Rotman's in Worcester take phone orders as long as you use
    	a Credit Card.  I don't know if the pre-order price is still the
    	same, but you can call them at (508)791-6710.  I don't have the
    	SMK number with me now, but  I know it has already been posted
    	in another Note in this conference.

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    Don't get mixed up on Lindro's rookie card. His rookie card is in the
    1990 Score set and not the 1991 Score set. FYI....
    

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    Depends on whose definition of "rookie" you use.
    
    -rjk

    Does anyone know WHEN the 91 Score hockey cards are going to be out?
    Or are they already out in some places?

    Is it me and my terminal? These are fun to read, but over and over
    again?
    What was the 'test' for a couple of replys ago?
      
    
                                       -pj-

    Score Hockey is out up here in Canada...the "English" version.  I
    didn't think they played hockey in England ;^)
    
    THe Bobby Orr's are reasonably scarce (unsigned ones).  They are going
    for about $60-70 up here.  Early market, though.  There are 270,000 Orr
    cards of four different types, so they are fairly scarce.
    
    Bill

    
    The "english" version series I has filtered down to southern nh, 
    the dealer who had them was claiming the canadien/english version
    was the shortest print, factories would not be made of this version
    either, just the US (440) and bi-lingual (660) would be in the
    factory sets.  This was all a precursor to the price pitch: $20/box.
    
    jeff
    

    The Canadian edition in english is in Western NY too. Same price
    (.50-pk, $20-bx) and same packaging as last year. Picked up 5 packs +
    did pretty well (4 Gretzkys, 3 Hull, Fedorov, Lindros). All my packs
    came with several top prospect cards on top, several white trophy or
    special cards in the middle and several regular cards on the bottom.
    I hate these top prospect cards. I have never heard of any of these
    guys + I have a slew of these things from last year. Are any of them
    worth anything?
    Other than that they're not bad cards. Red is a new color for hockey
    cards.
    Since they came out a few days after Topps, I won't be tempted to buy
    any topps now.
    
    Bill 
    

>    The Canadian edition in english is in Western NY too. Same price
>    (.50-pk, $20-bx) and same packaging as last year. Picked up 5 packs +

Huh?  Do these boxes have more than 36 packs in them?  Most boxes have
36 packes in them...at .50/pack that would be umm....$18  So why $20/box?

>    I hate these top prospect cards. I have never heard of any of these
>    guys + I have a slew of these things from last year. Are any of them
>    worth anything?

You hate them...please send them to me...  I'll take 'em.

Some of lasts years Score "Top Prospect" cards include Mats Sundin, Jaromir 
Jagr, Mike Ricci, Wes Walz, etc...  If you haven't heard of any of these then 
you might not recognize many of the others (esp the newer ones).  Other 
players on some of the top prospect cards will take more time to become
commonly known names...

I picked up five packs of the new Topps hockey to get a look at them... and I
knew about every player... including their top prospects, plus a "future 
NHLer" card of a Soviet player drafted but not yet playing in the NHL.

Dan

    Yea, I caught the price discrepency too which is why I only picked up a
    few packs. None the less, that is what they are going for. How much are
    they asking in your neck of the woods?
    
    The cards you mentioned were top draft pick cards. There is a
    difference between those and top prosepect cards.
    
    You like this years topps cards and you got lucky with the packs you
    bought. so live it up.
    
    Bill

>    The cards you mentioned were top draft pick cards. There is a
>    difference between those and top prosepect cards.

Ah... you're right.    

>    You like this years topps cards and you got lucky with the packs you
>    bought. so live it up.

Thanks Bill :-)  Actually, I like the Topps better than last years!  But
I don't know yet if I'm gonna collect 'em...  We'll see...

Dan

    Dan,
     	What was that Soviet Top prospect Topps card you mentioned? Was it
    Kamensky or Bure? I've been hearing raves about both players.
    	I suppose in time I'll eat my words over those score top prospects
    but for the time being it's a bit annoying when you've never heard of
    1/3 of the players in a pack.
    
    Bill

    
    Kamensky broke his leg (I blv in the Canada Cup), and has yet to
    play a game.
    
    -rjk

>     	What was that Soviet Top prospect Topps card you mentioned? Was it
>    Kamensky or Bure? I've been hearing raves about both players.

Ya, lotsa raves about these two... but no, the card is "Future NHLer" Dimitri
Mironov...  Recently drafted ('91) in the 8th round by Toronto...played for 
the Red Army.  I hope they have Kamensky or Bure cards.

what else...  got a Coffey highlight card, two team jersey cards (Ottawa 
Senators and Tampa Bay Lightning), and a Top Prospect card of Tony 
Amonte (NYR, formerly BC).

Dan

    In the December BASEBALL CARDS magazine, some of the mail order firms
    announced the following for Score hockey prices.
    
    Item                                    Price Range
    
    USA                                     14.95 - 18.95
    CANADA Series I                         14.95 - 18.95
    CANADA Series II                        14.95 - 16.95
    CANADA Bi-Lingual Series I              14.95 - 18.95
    CANADA Bi-Lingual Series II             14.95 - 16.95
    
    There will be plenty of cards available. No short printing, no very
    rare, no only printed in downtown Montreal for an hour or so. No
    matter what dealers say, Score hockey will be in abundance.
    
    Fred
    

    
    
    I bought 2 boxes last night at $15.95 per box. Something is a little 
    crazy here,both boxes read [ENGLISH EDITION],when I look at the new
    Becketts,all the numbers are not under (91-92 American),their under
    (91-92 Canadian). I also noticed that there is no American Flag,on the
    back of all the cards there is a Canadian Flag,and all the lettering 
    on the card is in English. I also got 2 Bobby Orr cards,unfortunately
    there not signed,but who cares,I got 2 of them !
    
    John
    

    
    You did get the English edition John.  The *CANADIEN* English edition.
    
    There are three sets this year from Score:
    
    	(2) Canadien sets.
    
    	    (1) Bilingual edition -- 660 cards, 2 330-card series, and
    	        available in factory set (bonus cards included).  I am
    	        not sure what color borders this set will have.
    
    	    (1) English edition -- 660 cards, 2 330-card series, and NOT
    	        available in factory set (bonus cards NOT included).
    
    	        | This is the set that is available right now.  In red
    	        | wax-boxes, with red borders on the cards.
    
    	(1) American Set - 440 cards, released in 1 series, and available
    	    in factory set (bonus cards included).  I believe this set
    	    will have purple borders, and that this is the promo that
    	    everyone keeps seeing pictures of (like on the SCD cover).
    
    I also remember reading somewhere that Score promised that the top
    100 players will have different cards in all THREE sets.
    
    Good luck.
    
    -rjk

    
    
      Can someone answer this question, when you buy your wax boxes
    are they sealed.  Up here (Kanata. Ont) all wax boxes I've seen
    either at card shows or dealers are all unsealed boxes.  I'm
    beginning to believe that the dealers are opening the wax boxes
    and removing the good paks. No one I know have gott'en any Orr
    cards from score but the dealers seem to have hundreds already.
      do you think theres any truth to what I'm thinking, (I've been
    told that there is a code that the dealers know that will identify
    the good cards ) again any truth to this. thanks in advance for
    comments or help in this manner.
    
                               Frank
    
    

    The boxes I've seen are shrink wrapped in cellophane. I've found this
    to apply to all the boxes I've bought over past few years.
    Regarding the Orr cards, if the Orr card is included in the 15 cards
    then ya got me how they pull it off (maybe they know which pack in the
    boxes have these cards and crack open all the boxes, check those packs
    and replace those packs) however if the Orr card is the 16th card in a
    pack then maybe they do it like that guy in the Star Trek file finds
    the holograms by holding two packs together feeling for the one with
    the extra cards. Just my guesses.
    
    How's the distribution on the boxes (% of set in box)?
    
    Bill  \_.
    

    All the boxes I have seen so far are not wrapped in cellophane. I
    bought 2 boxes unwrapped and got a Bobby Orr card. A co-worker
    bought 2 unwrapped boxes and got 2 Bobby Orr cards. I did not
    detect tampering although I'm not an expert on tampering. Who
    knows, maybe some honest dealers do indeed exist.
    
    Fred
    

     
    
    		As far as I know Score does not shrinkwrap thier wax
    boxes, so any boxes that are wrapped were probably done by the
    dealer.

    
    I'VE YET TO BUY A BOX BECAUSE I WAS SUSPICIOUS ABOUT THE UNWRAPPED
    BOXES BUT A CO-WORKER OF MINE BOUGHT TWO BOXES AND IS NOW PUTTING
    TOGETHER HIS 3RD SET (NEEDS 40 CARDS) AND A 4TH SET NEEDING 101
    CARDS.  BUT HE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY OF THE SPECIAL ORR CARDS.
    
    THANKS FOR THE RESPONSE, I'M STILL UNSURE OF WHETHER I'LL
    BUY A BOX YET (UNTIL I FIND ONE WRAPPED).
    
    I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, HAS ANYONE FROM THE STATES TRADED OR SOLD
    CARDS WITH ANYONE FROM CANADA ? (KANATA) IF SO WHAT WAS THE BEST WAY OF
    SHIPPING, WAS THERE ANY PROBLEMS WITH DISTIBUTION OF CARDS, WAS
    CANADIAN MONEY TAKEN AT PAR. I HOPE TO BECOME AN ACTIVE TRADER
    SOON. I'VE BEEN READING FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND ENJOY
    THIS NOTE BIG TIME.
    
    JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THE ORR CARDS ARE GOING BETWEEN $80 - $100
    AND SOME DEALERS ARE REFUSING TO SELL THEIRS NOW. LEADING ME
    TO BELIEVE THAT THE PRICE MIGHT EVEN GO UP HIGHER. ARE ORR CARDS
    (ANY ORR CARDS) REALLY POPULAR (READ EXPENSIVE) IN BOSTON.
    ARE THEY PRICED MUCH HIGHER THAN BOOK VALUE (ANY BOOK). I'VE
    SEEN A BO JACKSON ,WILL CLARK NOTE WHERES THE ORR NOTE ( I'D START
    ONE BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW) I BELIEVE HIS CARDS ARE ABOUT TO 
    SKY ROCKET.  I DIDN'T THINK I'D GET THIS EXCITED ONCE I GOT
    RAMBLING BUT I BETTER SHUT UP
                                    FRANK
                                                           
    

    
    
            $80-$100 For the Orr cards ??
    
             I think that is way overpriced, they'll probably end up in
    the $10-$15 range. They are not going to be any rarer than last years
    Lindros cards.

    
    RE: .34
    
    	Please do not type in ALL UPPER-CASE.  It is considered SHOUTING,
    POOR NOTES ETIQUETTE, AND IS VERY HARD ON SOME PEOPLE'S EYES.
    
    	Thank you.
    
    -rjk

    
    I WAS SHOUTING -- I did say I was excited about this hobby
    and this note 
                anyways lesson learnt
                                        Frank
                                         

>            $80-$100 For the Orr cards ??

Ya, I'd heard a range of about $50-$100.  That's incredible considering
the number of these cards that there are...  For that money you could buy
his 3rd year card!

Dan

    The boxes that I purchased were not celo wrapped,and I did get lucky
    to get 2 bobby Orr cards,Hi Fred.
    
    John
    

    
    Rotman's in Worcester, Mass. has the Score Canadien/Bilingual
    wax boxes in (series I).
    
    Price: $16.99
    
    Or you can pre-order (yes, still Dan! 8^) a factory set of the
    same for $20.95, expected arrival is February 1992.
    
    Factory sets for the AMerican edition (440) cards are available
    through pre-order for $15.95, and are expected in this month
    (November).
    
    Supposedly the American edition is available in wax, but I saw
    none this weekend (I went on Sunday), or at Rotman's.  I find it
    hard to believe that the factory sets will be out until the wax
    product has had sufficient time to circulate through-out the
    hobby.
    
    -rjk

    I saw Score American(purple box) a week and a half ago for the first
    time. Didn't buy any or check the price though.
    I'm curious to see if anyone has bought any yet and can mention the
    differences between the sets.
    How many players have different cards for each set.? Any different
    subsets? Highlight cards? 
    All we need is for all the companies to adopt this several different
    sets strategy and it will be the end of western civilization as we know
    it today. In some ways they already do with their french + english
    editions.
    
    Bill  \_ . _/
    
    

    Score Young Superstars sets are out and dealers got STACKS of 'em.
    They're charging $7-$8 which isn't bad considering if you ordered 2
    months ago from the company you only saved yourself a buck and you're
    probably still waiting for them to arrive.
    In this neck of the woods last year, only a few dealers had them. They 
    were charging $8 at first then they realized if they sold the Lindros
    and Fedorov separately they could make twice that and sets rapidly
    went up to $12 then $15 and now they're currently $18. 
    The cards themselves are glossy with a tan border around the picture
    and the players included in the set are more or less the same as last
    year with a few good additions (Jagr, Belfour, Hodge Jr.) but its still
    a 40 card set.
    
    Bill
    

>    Score Young Superstars sets are out and dealers got STACKS of 'em.
>    They're charging $7-$8 which isn't bad considering if you ordered 2
>    months ago from the company you only saved yourself a buck and you're
>    probably still waiting for them to arrive.

Got my set in the mail from Score last week (day after Christmas).  Nice 
cards.  Not the greatest choices in my opinion though.  They left out a 
lot and included some not-so-young Young Superstars.  Off the top of my 
head, there was no Kevin Stevens, Petr Nedved, Pavel Bure, or Lidstrom.  But 
it included Sakic (who is a star - but no longer new news)...and a couple 
others who have been around more than a couple years.

Anyway, I still like the set and now wish I picked up the set last year.  Maybe
I still will - but I just hate paying a lot :-)

Dan

    Is this set still available through mailing to Score?
    Jon

    
    I believe so.  I haven't heard of anyone getting their check returned.
    
    Dealers have it in plentitude for around $5.75-$7.
    
    Probably quicker/cheaper/easier than dealing w/Score ... ;^)

    
    From yesterday's (1/7/92) USA Today (NHL sub-section of the Sports
    page).
    
    "THEIR HEROES.  Score's new Pinnacle hockey card issue has a subset
     of NHL stars depicted on the same card with their heroes.
    
     Most had predictable choices: Montreal's Patrick Roy picked Rogie
     Vachon, Los Angeles' Luc Robitaille is pictured with Marcel
     Dionne and Calgary's Gary Suter is with Bobby Orr.
    
     But some choices were unique: Buffalo's Clint Malachuk will appear
     on a card with Canadien rodeo star Coleman Robinson.  And St. Louis'
     Brett Hull wants to be pictured with his idol -- Jack Nicklaus --
     but the golfing legend hasn't given approval.
    
     Minnesota's Brian Bellows listed his three heroes as Ken Dryden,
     Vince Lombardio, and Chsitopher Columbus. 'We decided to use Dryden
     because it was easier to get a contract', Score spokesman Dean
     Golembeski said.
    
     Wrong. The Hall of Fame goalie asked for more money than what Score
     paid the other subjects, so the Bellows card was eliminated."
    
    -rjk

	Has anyone heard anything from Rotman's about arrival
	of American wax boxes or sets ?   I ordered in September
	and they keep saying stuff like "not yet", "they just loaded
	the truck and they're on the way", but as of 2 weeks ago,
	still nothing.

	Ken

    
    	For those who pre-ordered their factory sets, the USA factory
    	set is ready for pickup at Rotman's, I called them today, and
    	that's what they told me.

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	Thanks for the posting!   It's about time they're here.
	
	Ken

    The second series of the first set are out. Nothing big except they're
    blue. I'm really getting a kick out of the colors of these cards. So
    far we have red, purple, tan, blue and you know the rookie & traded set
    is going to be something like teal or magenta.
    
    Bill
    

    well, the score rookie & traded set is out and my crack in .52 about
    them being teal is not to far of base. They're a darkish green color.
    Not a bad set for $10-12 bucks. Alot rookies and san jose sharks. Of
    course there's a Lindros card (his mom would get mad if Score made a
    set without 1 of his cards) in Olympic attire.
    
    I guess all thats left for Score this season is the cryin' (and pinacle)
    
    
    Bill
    

    
    Has series II come out for the Canadien/English set yet (you know, the
    set that they're not producing a factory set for?)
    
    Don't forget Pinnacle comes in two flavors; English and French.
    
    RE: .-1	And what an UGLY green it is ...
    
    -rjk

    Yup, This is the blue set, in english, with the canadian flag on the
    back, right? (geez, its gettin' tough keep track of them all)
    
    I picked up 2 packs for a buck to see what they were like, got the
    Fedorov, considered myself lucky and called it quits for this set.
    
    been doing that alot lately,
    bill
    
    

    
    
    No, I think this is the "red" set.
    
    The blue set is the Canadien/Bilingual set, and is available in
    factory sets.
    
    The purple set is the American/English set, and is available in
    factory sets.
    
    The green set is the update set.
    
    -rjk

    What's (Red) on first!
    
    No, What's (Red) on second.  Who's (Purple) on first.
    
    Green's catching and I'm confused.....
    
    Good luck keeping all the colors straight!
    
    Glad I didn't get around to these starting these sets.
    
    Regards,
    Denny