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    on a serious tip.......
    
    if you get a Saints card, where the number on the back is
    in white lettering.....that's an error.    :*[
    
    GG

    Roy,when these cards hit the Dealers about 4 weeks ago,they said 
    Proset will not be giving them anymore because of the ERRORS.
    John was right about the numbers being different colors. Roy I'm
    sorry that your disappointed,but I had a question,and I wanted to get
    some answers from some of the serious collectors that we have 
    out there.
    
    Severly concerned in Littleton...
     

    Sorry,It was Glen and not John,about the color on the
    numbers............ John
    

    Just found one.
              Card #22 Super Bowl XXII, Jan 31 1989,should be 1988.
              
              Card #23 Super Bowl XXIII Jan 22 1989.
    
     Alot of the Rookie cards don't have the teams name that their
     going to.
                      
                                                 John
    

    Why don't the card companies hire the same dudes from SCD to look for
    errors before they print up all these cards, and then they won't have 
    all these error problems.  This is definitely a marketing tool to sell
    and introduce each companies new card product each year, and the first
    run of printed cards are loaded with errors, they all do it, and the 
    collectors are still falling for it.  What a shame.  When are you
    people going to wake up and smell the roses.

    Can anyone send me a XEROX of the list?  I'll return a RED SOX Team set
    (TOPPS) in exchange.  
    Mike Kelly
    55 Corning Street
    Beverly, Ma. 01915.

    Mike do you want the checklist for 1989,and 1990,I have 
    both.
                                       John
    

    >>> 149.11 <<<
    
    Their on the way............... John
    

    
    	Quick question,  I opened a box last night and got a card that
    didn't belong anywhere.  It's a superbowl XXIV card with no number on
    it.  It's NOT card 24 in the regular set or the Collectable set, I also
    have both of those.  Has anyone else gotten this card or know what it is.
    
    
    Thanks,
    Bob.....

    Bob,
    
    It is the 24th Super Bowl card to keep the Super Bowl
    set going from last year.  There is about one per box.
    
    GG

    The one card I found really strange in my box of 1990 Pro Set Football
    cards was a GOLF card... of Payne Stewart... Anybody have any clues?

    Pro Set errors as of June 22 from SCD

    # 15  Number on jersey on front is '87' - on back '86'
    #110  No name on top back of card

    re:.17
    
    Pro Set made a comemorative (sp?) Payne Stewart, because he loves
    football so much that when he plays in a tourny in an NFL town, he
    will wear the colors of the team.
    
    Green Bay in this ProSet card.
    
    GG
    

    re .20
    
    This note is getting too violent! Somebody alert the moderator.
    
    

    Went to the BB cardshow at the Sheraton in Andover yesterday. A
    gentleman walks in and starts talking to the man that runs the show
    if he is interested in any Jeff George cards. Needless to say he
    trades a Payne Stewart card for one. All the time I'm watching this
    guy and he has a black box in his hand with ear phones and he says
    to the guy do you have any Pro Set boxes. The dealer does not have
    any but one of his buddies does and this man say to him if this
    hand held metal detector goes off while scanning any of the boxes
    he will purchase the box for $36 twice ths sale price. Can you believe
    the extremes people will go thru for the Lombardi card that I guess
    has metal in it. The man then proceded to go to every table and
    scan the Pro Set boxes.
    

    Payne Stewart is endorsed by the NFL Properties to the tune of $300k
     a year. No wonder they put him on a card this year. 
    
    FYI
    Ken

    Why can't Upper Deck, Topps, Fleer, etc,etc use the Pro Set
    photographers for their baseball cards.
    
    Kudos to Pro Set...Great looking cards.
    
                         -pj-

    Did anybody hear about the Vince Lombardi Trophy Card that Pro Set
    has for 1990. It's seems as though they only printed 100 of them.
    They where suppose to be distrubuted 1 in every 60 boxes, and are
    selling for $500. There numbered (1 of 100, 2 of 100...). 

    Also card #338 doesn't exist. Pro set never printed a number 338.

    Mike

    Rumor has it that they printed 10,000  one to every 10 cases.
    
    
    kcw

    What also goes nice with the mint pictures is the team color is the
    color of the card. I love the Miami Dolphins turquoise and orange.
    Makes for a flashy card.
    
    
    
    John

    
      I think that Beckett's in error. For all that it is cracked up to 
    be, I hate this set. I buy a pack all I get is stars and none of the
    commons that I need. Way over rated I think. Maybe people are excited
    over the mix. I get p___ed everytime I see another Sanders card when 
    I have the damned things piled to the ceiling and can't find the hundred
    commons I need. I will keep them of course, but I would like to finish
    a set w/o having to buy 6 boxes. To top it off they are getting ready
    to Issue the 2nd series already....and that is another story.Talk
    about gottcha's. I know I will get attacked for this note so don't
    clutter the file w/ an opinion fight. Just send mail to me at 
    HATE::MAIL.

      I just must have the reverse Midas touch if you know what I mean.

    I just got a Lombardi card the other day (for only a quarter!!!)...Good
    thing I read this notes file....What I didn't realize was the going
    price...In the latest Tuff Stuff it list it for $650...I couldn't
    believe it (still don't)...I still think it is a typo:*)))...  Anyways
    on the back it says "collector Edition 6594 of 10M"...Could someone
    explain what this means...Someone earlier stated it was limited. 10m
    doesn't seem too limited to me...  
    
    
    Bob
                

	Anybody needing any common players (1-378), Speical cards (1-22), HOF
	inductees (23-29) or Pro bowl (334-378) to complete there sets, just
	let me know (I give you a great price). I have over a 1000 doubles of
	the series.

	Don't ask for Tagliabue or Stewart (there mine 8^))

	Send me your list. 

        Mike

    Does anyone know if there is a Tom Hodson card in either the Pro-Set or
    the Fleer football set???  Our secretary is from LSU and would love his
    card if it is out....
    
    Thanks,
    
    Bob

    
    	I just opened a box last night, and in ONE of the packs there were
    4, count'em 4 Payne Stewart cards all in a row.  And this pack actually
    had 19 cards in it, not the normal 15.  So the Stewarts were extras
    thrown in the pack.  Go figure...
    
    Bob.....

    Does anybody know what the Payne Stewart card is worth? Is it bringing
    the same cash value as the Tagliabue card? Are they as rare?

    I purchased two boxes over the weekend (1 for $18 and 1 for $13). The
    first box had three (3) Tagliabue cards valued at $12 apiece. 8^)

    My very first box (some two monthes ago) had two (2) Payne Stewart card 
    and I haven't seen any since. 8^(

    Bob, I'll buy that Lombardi Trophy from ya... If your not selling, I'll
    take two (2) from your friend, tell him I'll give him $.75  8^). Where 
    did you buy it?

    Mike 

	I haven't seen these variations list in SCD yet. 
	The following cards have the same variation.

	One card has a stripe on the bottom right, one Doesn't.
    
		Card #19 Andre Ware 
		Card #20 Mohammed Elewonbi 
		Card #21 Percy Snow
		Card #22 Anthony Thompson

	It seems that the first twenty or so cards could have this variation.

        Mike

    Mike,
    
    Every Saturday morning at 8:00 at CM's dugout in Amherst NH they let
    you open 18-20 packs of cards (the cards vary from week to week) and
    purchase whatever cards you would like for a quarter.  Whatever cards
    are left are put on the table for pickings over the next week with the
    price declining with each day....15 cents on Sunday, 10 on Monday, 7 on
    Tuesday, 5 on Wed., 3 on Thursday and 2 cents on Friday....It is
    obviously a good deal to get some great cards cheap (if you are lucky)
    and fill sets later in the week for only a few cents a card....
    
    It seems alot of cards shops are catching on to this way of getting
    customers....Usually there are about 50 people who show up on
    Saturday...  
    
    Bob

    
    	So it was you who got the Lombardi card saturday.  I was there, and
    got squat!!! while everyone around me was getting Jeff George cards. 
    There must have been 15 George cards in what was opened.  I'm surprised
    noone got any Stewarts
    
    Bob.....

    going back to the Lombardi card...
    
    what number is the card?
    
    are all versions of this card short-suited, or only certain
    ones with errors or something.
    
    how much is it really worth?
    
    In this week's Sports Illustrated, they talk about a a PRO card 
    (I'm assuming it's this same super bowl card) worth $1000! it goes
    on to say that dealers can detect whether a box has this card by
    using a metal detector which senses something on this special card.
    
    sounds pretty weird -dennis
    

   
    
   >> In this week's Sports Illustrated, they talk about a a PRO card 
   >> (I'm assuming it's this same super bowl card) worth $1000! it goes
   >> on to say that dealers can detect whether a box has this card by
   >> using a metal detector which senses something on this special card.
    
    So re-wrap your commons, toss in a few pennies, and sell them to the
    dealers for a "bargain" at $500.00 a box! 8^)
    
    John D.
    

    
    Wheaties is giving away 4 Proset cards per package in specially marked
    boxes.    - Jim
    

       
     What a great way to ruin a good box of Wheaties!!!

    I saw the Eric Dickerson Cards over the weekend (card #338).
    The dealer was selling it for $275. (What a treat!)

    I also saw Andre Ware (Blank Back) going for $300

    He was selling a error box for $72.

    
      Mike,
        Was this at the Marlboro show by any chance? I saw one guy there
    at a table near the door selling Ken Griffey Jr. blank backs for $8.00
    (They were cut from box tops) He was also selling blank backs from
    other sets as well. Same deal. Talk about "scumbags, I couldn't
    believe it for a while but it was true. He is probably going to
    write a book on how to screw your fellow man and not feel guilty
    someday.

	No, this was in Woodstock, NH. I was up there for the weekend.
	This was a true 'Blank Back' of Andre Ware. Also the Pro Set
	error box he was getting for $72. There was a Candy store about
	four buildings over selling Pro Set cards,,, guess what? They
	where selling from a error box... So I picked up 30 packs at
	@.55ea, got home last night and totaled them up, $87.50 Becketts
	price. I got at least 25 error cards from the 29 packs..

	FWIW	I figured out last night how many packs of Pro Set football
	cards I had purchased, boy was I alarmed, 159 packs (4� boxes).
	Needless to say, I can fill just about everyone's wantlist..
	(Sorry Don't ask for variations)

        Mike

    
     R U telling us that you are just a wee bit addicted to this set or
    R U trying to single handedly keep Pro set in business? 8^).

    Just wait til part 2 comes out...
    
    Any idea when, by the way?

>>>    Just wait til part 2 comes out...
>>>    
>>>    Any idea when, by the way?


    Walt-

    Around the last two weeks of October...

    Mike

	I ran across a vendor this weekend that had a couple of boxes of
the new SERIES II, they are wrapped in yellow plastic packs.  I was totally
pleased with the contents:

	The set starts at #379 thru #798 it has 24 Collectible cards of the
MVP's of each of the 24 Collectible SUPER BOWL cards from SERIES I. They
are artist's scetches of the players in uniform. Bart Starr, Len Dawson
Larry Csonka, Franco Harris,Lynn Swann,and many more.. really well done set.

	There is a NATIONAL LEAGUE PRO-BOWL series that continues right after
the AMERICAN LEAGUE set of SERIES I  starting at #379 thru #426.

#669 thru #724 are First and Second Round Draft . Jeff George, BLair Thomas
etc.

	

    I picked up 4 packs over the weekend too.  Already noticed 1 problem.
    Rod Bernstein is listed as a RB on the front and a TE on the back.
    The saga continues...
    
    

	I bought some more packs, over the weekend, and got a nice surprise
from the second pack that I opened.
	Looks like they are inserting a collectible card into some of the
packs I found me a SANTA CLAUS . HEAD COACH  1990.
	I had read something in the Becketts football guide about Santa
coming to town, but never expected to get one. I wonder how many got issued.
	
It has a cartoon SANTA wearing a NFL PRO SET hat, and he is placing cards
on a Christmas tree, in his hand you can see some cards and on top is a 
Montana.  On the tree there is a Brett HULL hockey, a M.C Hammer and a few
other assorted cards that I cant make out.  On the back of the card is a poem
PRO SET's version of 'TWAS THE NIGHT BEORE CHRISTMAS.

					fRED 

    
      Didn't they do this last year also?? I thought I read about it
    somewhere, but then I get confused easily with all the stuff that is
    coming out lately.

                     <<< Note 149.60 by WRKSYS::SCHWARTZ >>>

    
<< Didn't they do this last year also?? I thought I read about it>>
<< somewhere, but then I get confused easily with all the stuff that is>>
<< coming out lately.						      >>

	From what I had heard there was a big issue that arose from last years
Santa Claus collectible, it seems that they were sent out in Christmas cards
to the dealers only and those that didn't want to save them were trying to 
"HAWK" them for top dollar. None were issued in packs to the general public.


					Fred

	After reading note .59, I went home and checked my cards, to see
if I had this error, my card didn't have this error, but While going thru
the ones that I do have I found some other ERRORS!!

			FRONT		BACK
			-----		----
	#427  CASE       CB		 S
	#449  HAMPTON	 DT		DE
	#481  McKINNON   81		85
	#484  WALSH         TRADED STRIPE
	#627  BERNSTINE  RB		TE ( as mentioned in previous reply)
	#665  MAY	  G		G-T

	I don't know if that is the extent of the Early sets, as I don't have
all the cards in SERIES II yet .So much for proof reading a set before it gets
printed.


					Fred

    Since I collect only Chargers, I'd be interested in purchasing one of
    the Bernstine error cards from Fred or whomever.
    
    Glenn
    DTN 592-5611

    
     They are trying to compete with Donruss for the high quality
    market.8>)

    The NFL Pro Gazzette freebie I received was chock full of self-serving
    letters to Pro Set ("Gee, these are the greatest cards ever," "God
    bless you, Pro Set for these super cards," "I just love your cards,"
    etc.) I wonder if we'll ever see any of the letters asking why the hell
    they can't put out a set without errors.

    Some other Pro Set cards to watch for....

    Special Collectible.... CHRISTMAS.. 
    Special Collectible.... SUPERPRO... (Introducing a new nfl hero)
    #669 Jeff George... Without traded strip
    #785 Commissioner at Berlin Wall... NFL NEWSREEL
    #786 Raiders stay in L.A........... NFL NEWSREEL
    #787 Falcons are "back in black"... NFL NEWSREEL
    #788 NFL goes international........ NFL NEWSREEL
    #789 NFL'S oversea appeal.......... NFL NEWSREEL (Nice card men!)
    #79?-798 Twenty-second annual pro football hall of fame photo contest

    

 	SERIES II  ERROR UPDATE  (some have already been corrected)

				FRONT		BACK
				-----		----
	#427  CASE       	CB		 S
	#449  HAMPTON	 	DT		DE
	#481  McKINNON   	81		85
	#496  GLOVER		 C		C-G
	#483  STUBBS     	66 	    	96
	#627  BERNSTINE  	RB		TE
	#630  MILLER		WR-KR		WR 
	#632  O'NEAL		LB-DE		LB
	#633  RICHARDS		 G		G-T
	#643  SMERLAS		72		67
	#665  MAY	  	 G		G-T
	#704  OWENS         BLACK PLAYER   WHITE PLAYER
	#718  TERELL		37		41
	#723  BARNETT		72		73
	#742  HAVERDINK		70		74
	#743  BAILEY		22		46

					
	One more questionible card is PRO BOWL CARD #401
 Don MAJKOWSKI, if this is a PRO BOWL card why is he in Green Bay uniform.

	There should be a law against purposely creating errors 8*@

				Fred

    Montana is like that too.  I don't think they played due to injury,
    but were named to that team.
    
    -Walt

    How do you know if you have a Sanders promo card?  Does it say it
    is or anything like that.
    
    			Ben
    

    
     Does anybody know what the error is on the Art Shell card. I guess
    theres a (A) & (B) card how you distinguish the difference?
    
    
                                 Ted

    Ted
    
>>>     Does anybody know what the error is on the Art Shell card. I guess
>>>    theres a (A) & (B) card how you distinguish the difference?
    
    The error card has his birthday as 11/26/46....

    can anyone answer .70 I have two of these cards and want to know.
    
    		Ben
    

	FYI

	December Beckett's has the following prices on the big cards.

	CC2  Paul Tagliabue	  4.00	  7.50
	SP1  Payne Stewart 	  4.00	  7.50
	669A Jeff George	  5.00	  8.00
	xx   Lombardi Hologram	275.00	425.00
	SC   Super Pro		  7.50	 12.50
	SC2  Santa Claus	  7.50	 12.50
	SC3  Joe Robbie Mem	  7.50	 12.50

    I'm going to the mall this weekend.  I know there was a card last year,
    so how much would an autographed Santa Claus card go for?  I figure
    89 was the rookie...
    
    -Walt

	What's this new card that has popped up in the latest Beckett's?
	
	It's priced at $100. Has anyone heard anything on this card?

    
    	I am trying to finish out a set of my favorite two teams and
    	am wondering if I have them all...
    
    		                        Buffalo       NY Giants
    		Pro Set Series I         39-48         222-229
    		Pro Set Series II       435-445        591-600
    
    	Do these two lists include all of the players for each team or
    	did I somehow miss someone?  Also, I believe that there are 
    	5 Buffalo All Pros and 2 Giants All Pros?  Can anyone confirm
    	this?
    
    	Thanks in advance,
    	Newc

    
    	Can anyone who knows, please answer 149.70, I also got a SANDERS promo
        promo card from PROSET, and would like to know what the difference
    	is from the regular card if any.  Thanks
    
    						Juan
    	

    Why is the Lambardi Trophy card worth so much?

    How many are there?
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
                                      -pj-

    
    
    	Well, I thought I had a PROSET SANDERS Promo card, but yesterday
    	I ran into Mike Kelly, and he told me that the difference is this:
    	in the Promo card, the postage size picture on the reverse of the
    	card shows SANDERS holding the trophy over his head, and the regular
    	card just shows a regular picture of SANDERS.  Mike also told me that
    	PROSET would just send you the regular card when you send them your
    	name and address.  I was under the impression that PROSET was going
    	to send me a PROMO card, so when I went home and checked what I had,
	it was just the regular card.  Needless to say, I was disappointed.
    	Thank you Mike for the correct information.  I can't believe that
    	no one else that reads this Notesfile knew the difference, or 
    	didn't want to take the time to enlighten us.

	So what is the difference in price of the promo vs. the regular
	card?

>    Why is the Lambardi Trophy card worth so much?

Correct me if I'm wrong...but there were only(?) 10,000 made.  Aren't
they also hand numbered.

There are only 5000 hand numbered Stanley Cup (Pro-Set Hockey) Hologram cards...
Becketts has these listed for around $200-400

Dan

    re .79   Who can keep up with the wonders of ProSet?  Can you name
    the errors on this years Hockey set?  Zillions, and I have multiple
    Beckets didn't note.

    
    
       [ Ref. 149.82 ]
    
	According to the latest SPORTS CARDS TRADER magazine, here are the
    	prices:
    
    		1990 PROSET 
    	 #	FOOTBALL SERIES 1	BUY	SELL
    
    	1A	SANDERS (PROMO)		6.00	10.00
    	1B	SANDERS (REGULAR)	1.00	 2.00
    
							
                                        

    
      	Well, interested after reading .79, I went home to discover
    the "freebie" SANDERS card sent me was indeed the Promo card..
    showing him with his trophy in the small picture on the reverse..
    maybe they felt bad for not sending me the Hull card like was 
    originally advertised..but I'm happy.
    
    Rick J
    

    
    	Ref. 149.86
    
    
    	I am glad you mentioned that, I went back and re-read my original
    	note of 149.79, and realized that I had reversed the 2 cards, the
    	Promo card is supposed to have just the regular picture of SANDERS,
    	the regular card shows him with the Trophy over his head.
    
    	Sorry for the mistake, I must have been in a hurry when I wrote the
    	note, and didn't bother to proof read it.  Sorry to disappoint you,
    	but you also got the regular card just like I did.
    
    							Juan 

    Beckett's doesn't list 338-Dickerson.  What is it worth these days?

    
    
    	According to the latest SPORTS CARDS TRADER magazine:
    
    	PROSET Football		Buy	Sell
    	338 Dickerson		40.00	75.00
    
							Juan
       

    Just recieved my 1990 Final Update set from Proset so if anyone
    is waiting for them,their out. It has the Andre Rison card #134.
    
                                          John
    
    

	I'm still waiting to get my 1990 Proset Update set, but yesterday
	in the mail I did get two cards from Proset.  They look to be
	promo cards for their 1991 cards, and if you liked how the cards
	eliminated the side borders, then you will love these cards.  The
	pictures take up the whole card!  No borders whatsoever.  The two
	cards I got were of their 1990 Rookie Of The Year for offense
	(Emmit Smith) and defense (Mark Carrier).  They did have two color
	bars at the bottom on which was the name of the player and such.
	And in the upper left corner was the Pro Set logo.  The color is
	sharp and clear, and the cards really catch your eye.  Can't wait
	for the new set!

		-Pete

    They also have them as cards 800A & 800B in the update.
    
    _Walt

    
    
    	I bought a 1990 Final Update set, and opened it, and I found that
    	there was a duplicate card (#780), and a missing card (#768),
    	so if many of you who bought them are assuming that everything
    	that is supposed to be there is there, you may be in for a 
    	surprise.  You can't assume anything with the way these sets
    	are being put together these days, the same thing happened to
    	me with another Traded set I bought from another company, there
    	were 2 duplicates, and 2 other card numbers missing.  I wrote
    	to the company to try to get the missing cards, but haven't
    	heard anything yet.

    Nice black and white picture of the Rocket Ismail #1 draft card in
    the USA Today... too bad it won't see the light of day... There is
    a picture of a blank one with Maryland on it...

    I picked up my Charger team set of 1991 ProSet Football over the
    weekend.  I'll tell ya....a whole dollar!  Wow! ;-)
    
    From Colorado Springs......Glenn

    I picked up a few packs at the flea market Sunday.  They're kinda like
    the 90 set, with at least 25 WFL collectable cards, referees etc.  I
    think the set with both series will be bigger than last years.  Gonna
    need a truck for each set in a couple of years.
    
    Dick

    Seen at a show tonight, Silver Anniverary sets, retailed for $8 last
    year. Saw them for $2.50ea, another table had them for $3ea.

    I paid $16 for two sets last year...

    Oh well, guess I overpaid at $5... I'll live...