Conference school::sports_memorabilia

    I used to think 1990 Topps were ugly and cheap looking, until I
    saw the 1990 Donruss. Looks like somebody's idea of a joke to me.
    I give them my vote for "ugliest card of the year". Of course, I
    haven't seen Fleer or Upper Deck, but if they're even uglier this
    is going to be a lean year. I'm sticking to cards from yesteryear
    from now on.
    
    John D.
    

    I can vouch for the Upperdeck's......they are in true UD form!!
    
    Very classy cards!!!!!
    
    Glenn

    Donruss' first issue those in cases numbered under M9348 have over
    thirty errors which have now been corrected by Donruss.
    
    Number 10 DR Kingg has a reverse photo of a player in mininature
    on the front, Angels and #5 are backwards
    
    Number 33 Juan Gonzalez, photo on front is reversed
    
    Checklist card number 700 left off card number 716 on back,
    Ex-commissioners card
    
    All of the All Star cards  state on the back "Recent Majoe League
    Performance" , should read "Recent All Star Performance "
    
    Nolan Ryan Donruss King has the MVP back and the MVP has the DR
    King back
    
    I hear that the Ryans are selling for $30 and up, the AllStars for
    $3 each, Gonzalez for $15-20 and boxes for $65 ea.
    
    
    Has anyone seen these ? If so what are they selling for ?
    
    

    I bought a box of "error" Donruss at Double Play Cards in Lowell,
    MA for $16 last week. I went back yesterday and he had raised the
    price to $20 because of the errors.
    
    John G.

>>  Donruss' first issue (those in cases numbered under M9348) have over
>>  thirty errors which have now been corrected by Donruss.
    
    Someone explained to me that cases marked M9301 thru M9340 contain
    all error cards.  However, cases marked M9341 thru M9347 have a mix
    of error cards and corrected cards.  Be careful if buying error
    boxes.


>>  Number 10 DR Kingg has a reverse photo of a player in mininature
>>  on the front, Angels and #5 are backwards
    
    Diamond King #10 is of Brian Downing of the Angels.  The complete
    negetive is reversed, not just the miniature pose.


>>  I hear that the Ryans are selling for $30 and up, the All-Stars for
>>  $3 each, Gonzalez for $15-20 and boxes for $65 ea.
    
>>  Has anyone seen these ? If so what are they selling for ?

    I've gone to two card shows since the '90 Donruss cards have been
    out.  Every dealer at these shows had Donruss material in huge 
    quantities.  They are all asking the rediculous prices you mentioned
    but I don't know if they sell them for those prices.  Most of them
    should be willing to haggle...

    I heard that Rotman's was selling error boxes for $17.  Check 'um
    out...


    - Dan

    I went to a show in Manchester ,Connecticut this past Sunday, where
    error boxes were selling for $17-29 ea. I saw Ryan pairs for $27
    and All Stars for $3.
    
    Some dealers are telling people that the boxes wrapped in cellophane
    do not have errors, this is false.
    
    

    My last note header really was scrambled, as my system took same
    kind of a hit. It should have read "Show Feedback".
    
    I am going to a show in West Haven,Ct. this weekend, I'll see what
    the prices are there.
    
    I think that as these cards become scarce, that the prices will
    rise.

    I have tried every store you can think of,and I just can't find any
    Donruss wax packs.Well,my wife and I went shopping yesterday at B.J's
    in Salem N.H.,and they just got done putting them on the floor,and the
    people were scoffing them up as if they were giving them away for free.
    They were selling them for $12.98 a box,and there are 36 packs per.I
    talked to a couple of people that have there own Variety Stores,and
    they said it was almost impossible to get them from their
    Distributors,one guy purchased 40 boxes.If you want them you better
    get up there before there gone.I bought 4 boxes and came up with some
    real good cards...................... John
    
    
    
    
     

    Bart Giamatti card number 716 is hard to find, dealers are now up
    to $10 each for this card.
    
    The Baines All Star error is going for $30+ at the shows out West.
    This is the error with a black line thru the star.

        I also picked up 3 boxes of wax packs at B J's  in Westboro.  The 
    Bart Giamini card and the Ryan error cards were in the boxes.  One
    Bart, one Ryan with the DK front and two Ryan 5000K's cards.  Looks
    like I did O.K.  One of the price guides lists the Ryan errors
    @ $25.00 and the way he is going, the price can only go up.
    
    George

    I agree about what you and John have said about the error cards, ITS A
    BIG FAD!!  But it sure is nice to open a wax pack and find a card
    everyone says is an error card worth $25 bucks.  And it sure is fun to
    see all these collectors at card shows running around trying to find
    the cheapist box of error cards, so they can all run home, and spend
    the rest of the day opening waxes to find error cards.  If these so
    called collectors are that stupid to be paying money for cards of
    NOBODYS, to collect a bunch of error cards, variations, or what ever
    the card companies call them, I feel very sorry for these so called
    Baseball Card Collectors, because in 30 years, after collecting all
    those dam error cards, their kids someday are going to ask why would
    anyone want to collect error cards of players holding the bat in the 
    wrong hand, or a shortstop that fields with a glove on his right hand,
    or a Nolan Ryan card, with Tom Boltons stats on it, or a ball player
    with no logo on his hat?  It won't make much sense in 30 years, beleive
    me.  People should be collecting because they have a favorite player,
    or like a special team, or are collecting for the memories of when they
    saw this ball player play.  I'm sure glad they never screwed up any of
    my Mickey Mantle cards, because I sure don't want people putting his 
    card in with a bunch of error cards.  This is the biggist gimick since the 
    oil crisis, when we all had to wait in line to buy gas, because there
    was a supposedly shortage of oil in the world.  There was no shortage
    then, and it doesn't appear to be a shortage of error cards now. 
    Dealers won't buy them, unless you buy a pack of cards for .50, then
    they will take the card from you,  their are millions of them, and by
    the way, "Mr. Mint" will not buy or sell Error Cards, he has stated it
    in public, so investors be where!!

    Re .19
    
    Error cards and variations ARE valuable to collectors who are
    interested in them, whether they're old-time collectors of material 30
    years and older, or new collectors interested in Nolan Ryan wrong-back
    cards.  And it doesn't make sense to be contemptuous of any "segment"
    of the memorabilia collecting population, since your coveted Mickey
    Mantle cards would be worthless if people didn't want them.  Demand is
    what this hobby is all about.
    
    Some "variations" that people do collect include a few 1959 cards of
    players who were traded or optioned after the season started.  The
    common card contains a line that says "Optioned..." or whatever.  The
    variation does not have the legend.  The cards are currently valued at
    $80 in NM condition, where the more common cards with the legend are
    $2.50.
    
    Enjoy whatever you collect.
    
    michael

    Roy and John (and probably just about everybody else who reads this
    conference), I agree that the recent error-mania is ridiculous and that
    card companies that issue errors and are able to correct them so
    quickly certainly seem to have planned them.
    
    What I was commenting on was the comment that in 30 years these cards
    will be worthless and that our kids will wonder what we ever saw of
    value in them.  Historically, this is unlikely, tho the current prices
    may be way out of line.  In fact, short weeks (maybe months) later, the
    89 Ripken FF card dropped substantially from the $100 people were
    paying for it.
    
    Another point - any comments about the 1989 Upper Deck "mania"? 
    Weren't prices for packs, boxes, sets ridiculous?  And how many
    collectors who think collecting errors is silly bought these sets at
    near $100?  Want to buy a baseball autographed by Johnny Carson?  You
    can, you know.  Maybe Tony would like one if we all chipped in (insert
    smiley face here).
    
    I have no 1990 cards, thinking that they're all overproduced (anyone
    want to buy any of my 1988 Score sets?) so (thankfully) have resisted
    the "feeding frenzy" we've all seen about these error cards.
    
    It certainly makes one wonder.
    
    michael

      I would like to say something about the error cards. It gives the
    kids a thrill, so leave them alone! With what this hobby is becoming,
    it is about all that is left to them. They are the future and w/o
    them this hobby is doomed to die a slow death. Sure there are a few
    good cards to go after, but what then? Do many ever have the chance
    to own a Mantle or Williams? Not likely! Not with the overinflated
    prices that these cards bring. 
      If you want to gripe about something, go after the shop owner or show
    seller, He laughs at you every day on his way to the bank! He is the 
    one who helped set the price on these error cards in the first place.
    He does very little for the hobby. He pays you low prices for your
    cards and turns around and sells them to someone else for an above
    book price. The one at Hudmar in Marlboro gets my goat the most. He
    laughs at you right to your face! The one in Concord thinks that
    everybody is rich or stupid. I haven't figured out which yet. 
      I think overall that what has gone wrong with this hobby the most
    is that you no longer trade cards... You trade bankrolls! Even the
    kids are doing it now. No longer is it... "I can get xxx No. of
    cards for this one!" ...... Now it's...."Wow this guy's worth xxx Bucks!"
      But to get back to the main topic. Let the kids alone.. they are no
    threat to your collections! they are your future and if some marketing
    guy at Donrus is smart enough to see that and they throw some errors
    at the kids....so what? The kids didn't put a price tag on them. The
    shop owners did! The adults did!

      Rep .25
    
        Where in my note did I make any call to your note???? I was only
    summing up what has been said here and in other notes in general. Must
    be terrible at football games when they go into huddles and you think
    they are talking about you.

    Hey, everyone stay kool!
    I think what I was at least trying to say, was that there are more
    error cards being printed out there than straight ones.  Maybe, the
    card companies and the dealers will correct this,(self-correcting), as
    more error cards get printed, the straight cards,(no errors) will 
    eventually become the expensive, more desirable cards, and we'll all
    be back where we started from, (Pre B. Ripkin).  The greedy little
    card dealers and card companies will eventually kill the golden goose,
    that layed these golden eggs, (Error CArds).  Its a funny thing, I 
    never really heard much about error cards before the B. Ripkin card,
    yes, I knew they were there, but the P.R. was not like it is NOW.  I
    wonder why? MONEY, THE ALMIGHTY GREEEEN!
                                  Rick

    Anybody have an idea of the current value of the double-error 
    on the Harold Baines All-star card. It's the card that has "Recent
    Major League Performance" on the back and the black line running
    through the star on the front. I have one and am trying to trade 
    for another with my 9 year old son. :-) He's being a tough trader. ;-)
    Anyway my goal is to get his and trade it for an 87 Fleer Bo Jackson
    with one of his friends.
    
    Thanks
    

    The most recent Beckett's has them as the following:
    
    A)  A black line crosses the yellow star on the front of the card
        and the back has the title "Recent Major League Performance"
        above the stats......lo = 3.00  hi = 8.00
    
    B)  A black line crosses the yellow star, and the back has "All-Star
        Game Performance" above stats.......lo = 6.00  hi = 16.00
    
    C)  The black line goes behind the yellow star on the front, but the
        back still has the incorrect title "Recent Major League Perfor-
        mance"......lo = 6.00  hi = 16.00
    
    D)  The black line does not cross the yellow star, and the correct
        title "All-Star Game Performance" appears on the back........
        lo = .05  hi = .15
    
    Hope this helps.  pat.

    
    	I have two Juan Gonzalez, rated rookie error cards.  My friend
    got a price guide from the store and he said that it was worth $5.00
     I would like to know if anyone else out there has a price guide
    and if so is it really worth $5.00.
                     
        Thanks in advance
                      
             Ben 
    

    re .34 
    	
    	In the latest issue of Baseball Card Price Guide Monthly, it
    has an article called Hot Card Corner, in it they had the Juan Gonzalez
    error card.  In it they said that it was one of the hottest Donruss
    error cards.  They also said that the cards mint value is $10.00.
         
    		Ben 
    

    I saw the error front, corrected back.. $65.00!!!!! at a recent show
    in Leominster.
    
    Rick
    

    It is not true that the New England area only recieved the error cards.
    I am down here in Georgia....weather in the sixties and sunny
    today...and have gotten four of the Baines 16.00 cards and five of the
    Gonzales reverse image cards from two different sources..one a dealer
    that I bought two boxes from and the other two boxes from a membership
    wholesale warehouse...all contained some error cards.
                                                              

    Donruss wax paks are everywhere........we even have some at 
    a Ben Franklin furniture store in Colorado Springs.
    
    GG

    re: .42
     
     I am in the nineth grade and a guy I met just recently has all
    of the different kinds of Bains error cards.  And he tried to sell me
    the error card with the correct front and incorrect back for $16.00.
    So as far as I know it does exist.
    
    		Ben

    John I also have a couple of the Baines All Star card with correct front
    and error Back.  I would like to trade for a all error Baines.
    
    Dick
    

    OK, everyone run look at Your '90 Ruben Sierra DK cards.
    I have three of his DK cards and I found that two of them had a
    missing line,
                                          H <-----This one
    	    top of card ------------------------      
    
    Is this error card going to be worth anything?
    
    		Ben
    

    OK, I went and bought a pack of DR cards, opened them up, and got a
    Nolan Ryan Card.  I looked it over, and couldn't find anything wrong
    with it.  Does this mean that the card is worthless, because nothing is
    wrong with it.  Pretty soon, gum stained cards, and creases will make
    a card worth more if there in the right place.  I was sooooooo
    disappointed I didn't get a error card with something wrong with it.  

    Yes they do. 1 or 2 per pack, it varies.
    
    

    Well, I checked the local Walgreens, no sign of Upper Decks...
    They did have an AL set and NL set called 'Leagues Best players'
    Guys like Griffey, Boggs, Eck, etc. in AL and Sanderg, Strawberry,
    Gooden, etc. in NL.  They're blue (I guess from the picture) instead
    of red or green (rookies).  Any clue about how much this is worth?

    ref. .51
    
    	The American League and National League Best sets can be found at
    	BJ's in Westboro (rte. 9).  I bought mine there last week for less
    	than $10.

    I'm looking for a description of the Diamond King error of Nolan Ryan
    card number 665C, the description in Becketts read...

	665C Nolan Ryan KING NNO    $4

    What does the 'NNO' stand for?

    Thanks
    Mike

FWIW, yesterday's BLDG 19 circular has '90 Donruss waxboxes for 
$10/each.

daryll

    
    	These Mxxxx numbers on the box, where are they? I saw some
    	1990 boxes the other day but saw no M numbers.