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Title:GIGAswitch
Notice:GIGAswitch/FDDI Jan 97 BL3.1 914.0 documentation 412.1ion 412.1
Moderator:NPSS::MDLYONS
Created:Wed Jul 29 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:995
Total number of notes:4519

939.0. "Reliability Group ?" by TKOV51::KATSUBE (Taiji Katsube, NPB-J) Mon Feb 24 1997 23:56

I can't understand the Reliability Group, V3.1 new feature.
Release Notes states:
	Reliability Groups allow multiple physical ports to be connected
	to the same ring(or concentrator).  ... Whereas spanning tree
	failover is typically 30 to 50 seconds, failover to a standby
	Reliability Group member will be accomplished in 2 to 4 seconds.

It means that following configurations are allowed without spanning
tree blocking state ? If it's so, which port is active as bridge ?
After failover, does it take more time for communication due to the 
old bridge table information? (Waiting for aging or re-learning)

Config1:       GIGAswitch/FDDI
        |  FGL-2    | Another FGL|
        |   A   B   |    A   B   |
        +---*---*---+----*---*---+
            |   |        |   |    A      B   A      B
            |   +--------+   +-----|DAS1|-----|DAS2|---+
            +------------------------------------------+

Config2:
        |    FGL-4     | Another FGL-4|
        |  S  S  S  S  |  S  S  S  S  |
        +--*--*--*--*--+--*--*--*--*--+
           |              |
         +-*----*-----*---*-+ 
   ======| M  Concentratr M |========
       A +------------------+ B

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939.1Reliability Group!NPSS::SOLOWAYStu Soloway 226-7651Tue Feb 25 1997 09:247
    You could set up both of those configurations.  If one of the redundant
    links failed the other one would take over without any new learning,
    aging-out, or spanning tree learning/listening delays.  The way it
    works is that both links are made members of a single logical link, so
    that from the point of view of spanning tree the failure of a single
    physical link has no effect on the topology, as long as the other
    physical link remains up.
939.2NPSS::MDLYONSMichael D. Lyons DTN 226-6943Tue Feb 25 1997 09:5518
         Perhaps a slight clarification in terms - the reliability group is
    set up similarly to hunt groups.  When two ports are a member of a
    reliability group, they lose their identity as physical bridge ports,
    and the two ports form one "virtual" bridge port.  Only one of the
    physical ports is actually passing data.
    
        Thus, for a reliability group containing ports 5 and 12, defined as
    reliability group 42-   42:(5,12)   Ports 5 and 12 do not exist as
    spanning tree ports any more - only port 42 exists.  The FGLs on which
    the original ports 5 and 12 exist both have a copy of the same forwarding
    database.  The crossbar forwards frames to the active port, and does
    not forward frames to the inactive port(s).  The inactive port(s) do
    not forward frames from the ring.
    
        I believe the lower port number in the reliability group is
    normally the active one.
    
    MDL
939.3Yup.NPSS::SOLOWAYStu Soloway 226-7651Tue Feb 25 1997 11:135
    Thanks for the clarification, Michael.  
    
    The only minor correction I'd add is that whichever port is on the ring
    first is the active one.  In the case of a tie (as judged by the SCP),
    it's the lower one.
939.4How different it is from FDDI standby ?GIDDAY::KULHALLITue Feb 25 1997 19:0114
    
    I am trying to understand what is the difference between reliability
    groups and FDDI standby ( say 900EF whose A and B ports are connected to
    two different  M ports of two different  FGL4 line cards of the same
    Gigaswitch -  with B to M being active and A to M in standby).
    
    Failover in case of FDDI standby takes - up to 3 seconds ( I am be 
    wrong here ). Is there any improvement in failover time in case of 
    reliability groups.
    
    thanks
    
     /mohan
    
939.5GIDDAY::KULHALLITue Feb 25 1997 19:0610
    
    By the way - do you have plans to update the Special Features Guide
    with all these extra  features in 3.1 and of course the 3.2 with IP
    switching support. I belive the OBM guide may require update with
    SNMP sets etc. WEB based documentation ( PDF and PS ) will be quite
    useful to customers.
    
    thanks
    
    /mohan
939.6You don't have to relearn addressesNPSS::SOLOWAYStu Soloway 226-7651Wed Feb 26 1997 09:055
    The difference is that with the FDDI standby scheme all the addresses
    have to be re-learned by the GIGAswitch, a process that in some cases
    could take many minutes. While this is going on, some addresses may be
    unreachable and link throughput will suffer do to flooding of unlearned
    destination addresses.