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    Dragon Warrior IV has been released; I saw it in a rental store
    yesterday.  Sorry, I can't help with purchase locations.
    
    
    				-- edp

    it's been a while since the last reply! any comments on whether it's
    graphic's etc...(before x-mas please),are any good, or wothe the price?
    to get right down to it, is this game any better than the previous
    editions of dragon warrior?
    
    
    bob

    I've had DW IV for about 3-4 weeks. My son finished it in this time,
    I've gotten real close to the end. I had the game ordered thru a
    local video rental store in Salisbury. Cost + ship + tax = $54.65
    
    I'll give a review if someone can tell me how to get a text file
    into this note.
    
    I think this IV is better than III, III is better than II etc.
    There is some variation in the characters over III.
    
    There are 5 chapters #5 being the last and hardest, no instructions
    for chapter 5 in the book.
    
    John
    

          
 Dragon Warrior IV

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 note        We've had this game about 4 weeks, about 175-200 hours to finish
             this game. There are things that we've still not found.

 good stuff  Graphics are about the same even a little better. There are lots
             of nice new monsters, some are quite impressive.

             Story line is much better. Five, count em, five chapters. They
             also blend pretty well.

             Music is ever changing. (still drives the Wife up a wall)

             World travel is by legs, by wagon, by boat and by balloon. There
             are about 60 towns, castles or caves for your exploring enjoyment.

             Battle is the same as previous Dragon Warriors. Except for
             the last chapter. (I'll let you draw your own conclusions)

 new stuff   There is a casino in one of the castle areas. Roulette, Draw
             Poker with double up and Fight Betting are the games. There
             is a shop inside the casino withe unique items.

 bad stuff   Remember to hold the reset button in while you turn the game
             off. This game is to long to lose it in the middle. I even
             copy my data into 2 places just in case. Yes it has happened
             to my son. He threw a fit and quit for awhile. Of course it
             was the game, or a 15 year old that didn't follow instructions.

     There are hundreds of items to find and problems to be solved. I'll not
     give any details until asked. Don't want to spoil what I think is the
     best Dragon Warriors game to date. ( DW 5 is supposed to come out on
     Super NES, can't wait)

--------- THE STORY - in my own words ------------------------------------------

  c1. You are Ragner, Captain of the Royal Army. Monsters are abducting
      the children of Burland. You, as the hero, must stop this atrocity
      and return the children to their homes. When you've solved this and
      a couple other problems you'll go on a quest, searching for the
      legendary hero, still a child, who'll save the world from the
      ultimate evil.

  c2. You are the Princess Alena, your father is King of Santeem. You are with
      Cristo and Bray, your protectors. The King, your father, will get cursed
      and lose his voice, just one of several problems for Alena and party to
      solve. You'll finish this chapter by battling 4 fighters to release
      another King from a promise to wed his daughter to the winner of the
      tourney. Alena being female, the promise is null and void. Alena and
      party will then also search for the legendary hero.

  c3. You are now Taloon, an arms merchant. You an your family must buy and
      open your own weapons store. Talon must avert a war between two
      rival Kingdoms and get a Prince and Princess together. Then earn enough
      money to pay an Old Man $60,000 to finish his tunnel to the next town.
      This is the goal of Taloon and then he is off to search for a legendary
      sword.

  c4. You are sisters, Nara a fortune-teller and Mara a dancer. Their father
      has been brutally murdered, and the sisters are seeking revenge. The
      finish to this chapter is obtaining an item that will allow let you go
      to another town and search for the legendary hero.
      
  c5. You are the legendary HERO. (you'll name him or her at the beginning)
      The object is to go out into the hostile world kill monsters and find
      some allies to help you destroy the arch evil entity Necasaro, just
      before he destroys every living thing on the planet. (not an easy job)

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      There are 8 regular characters and 8 UC's (uncontrollled characters)

              Ragner                     Healie
              Alena                      Orin
              Cristo                     Laurent
              Bray                       Strom
              Taloon                     Hector
              Nara                       Panon
              Mara                       Lucia
              HERO                       Doran

    Speaking as a DW fan from way back I say thumbs up on this latest
    release.
    
    The first four chapters were very easy and only chapter five seems to
    hold any type of challenge.
    
    With chapter five comes the option of changing tactics. Without giving
    too much away I'll just say that you can change battle tactics to your
    liking (offensive, defensive, holding onto MP, etc.)
    
    There are some features which make this version more enjoyable like the
    casino and the fact that you can have ten characters walk around with
    you provided you have a wagon.
    
    There are very few hints and there is no hint book for chapter five
    unless you'd like to spend $$$$$$ to get one.
    
    I'd rate this game high for those players who love RPG games.
    
    Mike

I have breezed through most of DW IV with little or no problem but I have been
stuck at the same spot for several dyas now and need a hint. I am in search of
the SEED in the ICE CAVE south of the farming town of SORENTA (sp may be wrong).
I see passages to lower levels but can's seem to reach them regardless of which 
ICE SLIDE I take. Can someone give me the clue or hint necessary to find the 
SEED of which I search?

Joel

    The padequia seed:
    
    is in the lower level.  You can get there by:
    
    taking the slide that goes around the top of the cave, and then 
    walking to the right without getting on any more slides.  You'll see
    some stairs.  Once you get there:
    
    the chest in the middle is your goal.  Take various slides until you
    get to the left of the chest.  Move up or down (without hitting any
    slides) until you line up with the chest.  Move straight towards the
    chest - you;ll slide up, down and around a little, but you'll land on
    the chest.
    
    Oh by the way.  There are other goodies in here!  Don't miss 'em!

I appreciate the reply -.1 even though as happens so often I solved my own probem befor
reading the reply. I am now stuck again and need a helping hand.

I have made the king laugh or at least understood his proclamation and have
won the Zinthian Helm. I am now in search of the shield. Clues directed me to
the place surrounded by lava which needs the Magma Staff to melt. The staff
was hinted at being in Santeem Castle. The castle is occupied by monsters now
and there is a flame guarding the treasure. I can not get past the flame nor 
do I have a clue as to how to do that. Balzac is sitting on the kings throne
and I have engaged him several times using different parties and strategies
with no success. He takes a lot of hits and eventually kills my entier party 
off.

Can someone give me a clue as to how to proceed? My characters are all up to
level 21 or so. Am I too weak yet to face Balzack?

Thanks for the continued support.

Joel

    
    
    Keep going after Balzak....... 
    
    John
    

As is so often the case, I solved my own problem. A few tweeks in the members of the fighting party and the tactics employed and 
Balzac was dust. I am now up to level 31 or so on most players and seem to be 
wandering again. There is no clear clue as to hwt todo next. I have gotten all
the goodies from the cascade cave, and the cave behind the jail doors as well
as the one you had to use the boat for. I went down to the southern island and
found the old man who didn't say much of meaning. A clue as to whats next in
the sequence of events would be helpful.  I have all the Zinthian stuff except
for the sword, helm, sheild, and armor. I even have some metal babble armor and
sword which do some heavy work. I hav efound the flute of uncovering and know
what and where to do the flouting, and the rock that pushes back cascading water
and what to do with that, and another stone or something that let you roll back
a mistake, but have not used that yet. I have been collecting smaall medals but
don;t see how its possible to gather 20 for the big win. I have already cashed in 
6 or so.

Thanks once again.

Joel

    There are two things which have eluded me so far.
    
    The first is the key (jailer's key?) to open up the jail cell doors and
    the second is the gas cannister needed to get the air vessels into the
    sky.
    
    All I'm looking for is a town/castle spoiler with a small hint. I'll
    take it from there.
    
    I'm in Chapter 5 and my guys are all in the mid 20's for levels.
    
    I'm taking this game real slow 'cause I enjoy ENIX RPG games.
    
    Mike_who_loves_the_casino_in_Endor

To -.1

We have definitly taken things in different order. I have ound that msot of the
time, the clues in a given town will lead you to the next step. Given that kind
of logic, I am surprized that:

	- you have not found the jailers key, or final key as it is known

	- you even know about the canister for the floating device

	- you are only up to level 20 or so

I have a suggestion, especially since you (much like myself) enjoy the ENIX
RPGs so much. Go back to the first town that begins chapter 5 and start talking
to everyone, day and night, and marking down the clues. you will be able to move 
quickly but I am sure you will discover things missed.

Hints behind form feed












I am quite sure that it is the queen of gardenia that will give you the final key
after you prove your innocence by capturing the real theif of the bronze amulet.
In order to get to gardenia, you must defeat Balzack. In order to defeat Balzack,
your levels should be slightly higher than 20.  See my reply a few replies back.
Good luck.

joel

    I think I already defeated Balczak.
    
    I know that the cannister is somewhere in the Atemko Mine too.
    
    Here's another one Joel. There is a stairway that leads to the
    courtyard where the wedding is taking place. There is a door
    leading to that stairway but I can't find the "secret way" to that
    door....is it behind the throne?
    
    This is definitely a form-feed spoiler.
    
    And yes, my levels are all over 20.
    
    Mike

I have found many places that seem to be reachable but frustration set in befoe
I located the right path. Your assumptions on the location of the cannister is
correct.

Question of my own. I have explored the world tree and located Lucia who has 
joined my party. She has asked me to take her to Zinthian Castle and now that
I have all four Zinthian armaments, am willing to take her there. My problem is 
that I can't find it. I know clues say its up in the sky. A hint would be 
appreciated.

Joel
	 

    Necrosaro is no more.  Just finished last night...
    
    Reaching Zenithia is one of the last things you'll do.  Don't despair.
    
    If you don't have the canister, don't try.
    
    Actually, if you don't have what the canister is needed for, don't try.
    
    After you have the balloon, you'll need to check out all the islands in
    the sea.  It's pretty obvious after that what you need to do.
    
    =Chris

    SOme general questions:
    
       o The flute of Uncovering has been useful once so far. Is it useful
         in more than one place?
    
       o Is there any connection between the cannister and my previous
         question?
    
       o I'm assuming the balloon is in a village (forgot the name) that
         has shops and a graveyard separated by a small island. Am I close?
    
    All my levels are at or above 30 and I've gotten some Zenethian stuff
    and I just got the Staff of Transform from the Royal Crypt. I also have
    tons of other stuff including the Staff of Healing (very valuable in my
    estimation).
    
    I expect that I am closing in on the homestretch and acquiring the
    balloon and the cannister is an important step in that direction.
    
    Mike
         

 o The flute of Uncovering has been useful once so far. Is it useful
         in more than one place?

No  not that I found. It is used just that once. Why not drop it off in the vault 
in Endor

o Is there any connection between the cannister and my previous
         question?

No. When you find the cannister you....
o I'm assuming the balloon is in a village (forgot the name) that
         has shops and a graveyard separated by a small island. Am I close?
bring it to that town, very far south, up the creek or down it, near Collosus and
the Dire place. The merchant of whom you speak will give you your traveling
baloon.

BTW: we ended the game Sunday. Found it to be easily the best DW yet. The graphics
were great, the playability and structure well defined, but best of all was the
set up of the 5 chapters. 1-4 prepare you with the necessary skills and background
to handle the lack of direction in cahpter 5. There were some tense moments
in 5 but with very little help from  this notes file, we managed to complete.

On tho the next RPG   Any suggestions?

Joel

    Thanks Joel I'll give it a try.
    
    I've been stashing gold and small medals at the vault and I had close
    to 40K there. I made a withdrawal and purchased some high level armor
    and weaponry for my crew.
    
    I took Colossus for a walk and have been in Dire Palace. I'll go back 
    there to look for the balloon...the search for the cannister is driving
    me crazy.
    
    * * * *
    
    Re: Next RPG.
    
        Well if you stick with NES you may want to try one of the Ultima
        games (Quest of the Avatar?) I think they are available in 8-bit.
    
        Another one you might try is The Bard's Tale. 
    
        I haven't played these yet but they are on my list as potential 
        RPG's.
    
        Let me know what you decide on.
    
    Mike

    Joel,
    
    Without giving me a bigtime spoiler would you say that the cannister
    is located in the Atemko Mine and that I would need to search
    everywhere?
    
    Does the game offer a clue to where exactly the cannister may be? I say
    this because I often find something and then run into the clue
    afterwards.
    
    This happened to me with the Flute of Uncovering.....saw the dream
    sequence afterwards.
    
    thanks.
    
    Mike

Without giving me a bigtime spoiler would you say that the cannister
    is located in the Atemko Mine and that I would need to search
    everywhere?
    
This is the basic modis operandae of the game. Clues, when followed, give you what
you expect. There was a clue that the Cannister was in Akemko mine and I am sure
if you map the mine out, you will find it in there. The other game generality is
that if you have difficulty in exploring a place, go back to the last cave or
castle and do some monster bashing to bring the levels up. If done in sequesnce,
no task was diffiulct from the standpoint of bding unmatched against the
competition.

 Does the game offer a clue to where exactly the cannister may be? I say
    this because I often find something and then run into the clue
    afterwards.

Maybe you have not found the town by the river just north of Collosus. I am quite
sure that it was the merchant who will eventually give you the balloon that
tells you where to find the cannister. You enter the river from the north and sail
down the river south. At the point that you enter the village, the screen will
change. The town is not  evendent from the surroundings.

HJoel

    Hmmm, you're talking about Riverton. Okay I'll give it one more try.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Mike

    It's been a frustrating weekend. I went to Riverton and thought the
    "buried" clue indicated I'd find the cannister in the graveyard. I 
    searched in the town and in the mine...ALL OVER THE PLACE especially
    near the tombstones.
    
    I also went to Riverton (both at night and during the day) and not once
    did the merchant offer me the balloon...saying it wasn't ready
    yet...maybe because I didn't have the cannister.
    
    I'm sure my levels are high enough 'cause each character is up to 32 or
    better.
    
    I even tried the gunpowder jar 'cause it moves rocks but I exploded the
    jar near ALL THE ROCKS in the mine and nothing.
    
    Do you realize how long it takes to search that entire mine?
    
    I've got Soul Blazer, Mystical Ninja, and Mystic Quest waiting for me
    on SNES but I want to get through DWIV first.
    
    So I'll take a better clue or spoiler now regarding the cannister.
    
    Mike

    I wandered around a bit before I got this right, myself.  You are
    trying to do things out of sequence.
    
    More clues below.
    
    =Chris
    
    Has the giant statue walked?  
    
    Have you been to Dire Castle?  
    
    Have you used the staff of transformation instead of blitzkrieging the
    place?  
    
    You need to answer all the above 'yes' before you will find the
    canister.

    
    Chris
    
    Yep....did 'em all. I'll go back to Dire Palace again. I did use the
    Staff of Transformation while in DIre PAlace but I'll do it again.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Mike

    Yep, I could have done this weeks ago...and I almost did. My alter
    ego changed on me and I ended up fighting when I shouldn't have.
    
    Interestingly enough I had a much easier time with my levels in the
    mid-30's then I would have in the mid-20's.
    
    It took a few tries to get the balloon to fly.
    
    thanks,
    
    Mike_who_sees_the_end_of_the_tunnel