Conference rusure::nintendo

    I read in the file that it will be a 16-bit machine and it will be
    required to use the new LINK and SMB....

    I read the same info in one of the other notes and am curious also.
    
    I received my own NES yesterday (I've been using the neighbors)
    for my birthday and am wondering if I should open the box and set
    it up this weekend or take it back and wait for the new and improved
    system to hit the market.
    
    I prefer to play the adventure (Zelda, etc.) type games.  This
    may be a determining factor.
    
    Anyone know when it's due to hit the market?
    
    
    Thanks,
    Jodi-

    

    I think the new machine will be called the NES TURBO GRAPHIX. 
    As I understand it, it will have an 8 bit cpu for game play and
    a 16 bit cpu for graphics. This should make for more colors
    more flicker free graphics and of course more memory for game and
    graphics data. 
    
       It is called the pc engine in Japan. I believe that there is another
    note that explains some of the games and details about the machine.
     
       The article I read said it would be in the U.S. after August, but
    they did'nt say which year. You can bet they will not release it as
    long as everyone is running after this game system. They are not about
    to kill a good thing.
    
       The article also said that current Nintendo game packs will not play
    on the new system. Price around $199.95.

    �The article also said that current Nintendo game packs will not play on
    �the new system. 
    
    Hmpph, for all of Atari's other drawbacks, at least they allowed you to
    play games designed for the earlier systems on their latest models.

    	After doing some research on this topic this weekend, I think I've
    found the latest news on new game systems.  The following article which
    is reprinted without permission from the July 89 issue of Video Games
    and Computer Entertainment magazine features the TurboGrafx-16 from NEC
    not from Nintendo as reported in note 298.3.
     
    	"If you've been a regular reader of this magazine then you'll know
    this product by its Japanese name:  PC Engine.  Due to be released in
    the United States sometime in August, with a retail price of $199.99,
    the TurboGrafx-16 includes the same features that made the PC Engine a
    winner in Japan.  
    	At the time this article was written (mid-April) the Turbo-Grafx-16
    had captured 50% of current video-game console sales in Japan,
    outselling all other systems.  The total number of PC Engines sold
    through April was 1.5 million units, according to the NEC Corporation
    in Tokyo.
    	The TurboGrafx is part of a new wave in game machines, referred to
    as the 16-bit class.  Also in this 16-bit world is the new Sega
    Genesis, the awaited Super Famicon from Nintendo, a rumored game system
    from Atari (likely based on their ST computer) and a new entry, the
    Konix Multi System from England.
    	With a processor (the brain of the game machine) running four times
    faster than the one in Nintendo's NES, the TurboGrafx-16 can move
    graphics images on the screen up to eight times faster, with nearly ten
    times as many colors as the NES; the perceived resolution (clarity of
    pictres) is much greater.  The TurboGrafx uses an 8-bit chip, but with
    16-bit graphics.  NEC sites the greater number of colors as one of the
    TurboGrafx's greatest assets.
    	The NEC also boasts stereo output with far superior sound-effect
    and music-generating capabilities.  The difference between sound and music
    on the TurboGrafx, compared to the current game systems is like listening
    to an old 78 record, then listening to a compact disc.	
    	When asked to compare the Turbo-Grafx with another game system, we
    can't.  It's as far above the NES in graphics and sound as the NES was
    above the Atari 2600.  While Nintendo's stronghold is quality games
    with lasting value, the TurboGrafx continues in the same mold.  Indeed
    the names of many of the game companies also appear on PC Engine
    products in Japan.
    	What really impresses us, however, of the 35 cartridges for the
    TurboGrafx-16 we now own, is the consistent high quality of the games. 
    NEC is only looking to bring the best over to the U.S. the best of the
    best.  
    	Frankly, we can't wait."
    
    	My own assessment of the video game market is that the popularity
    of the NES has peaked.  NES will continue to sell well in the near
    future but true videophiles as well as loyal NES vidiots like myself are
    becoming painfully aware of the NES's shortcomings as game cartridges become
    more sophisticated.  The TurboGrafx-16 will give NES stiff competition
    immediately and eventually render the NES obsolete.  Nintendo's future
    in the home video game market will depend on how fast they respond to
    the new threat from the 16-bit class.  If they don't introduce their
    Super Famicom unit in the U.S. until sales of the current NES unit
    fades, other companies such as NEC will already have established
    themselves in this market and leave Nintendo in the dust.  All of the
    16-bit class units use credit card size game cartridges so Nintendo
    will not have the advantage of compatibility with their current
    cartridges.
    	I have already decided that I am going to refrain from purchasing
    any more new cartridges except for perhaps Teenage Mutant Ninja
    Turtles, if I can ever find it, until the TurboGrafx-16 unit comes out next
    month.  If it is as good as it is reported to be, my NES unit is going to
    collect dust.           
    	Comments?   
    
    
    	
    	

Hi,

There are few confusing.

I have said it 120.7 , 120.9 in this Notes.
               =====   =====

c.f.  U.S.             Japan        maker
      ========================================
      New NES      =   SUPERFAMICOM (NINTENDO)
      NES          =   FAMICOM     (NINTENDO)
      TGX16 nearly eq. PC-Engine   (NEC)
      GENESIS      =   MEGA DRIVE  (SEGA)



New powerful Nintendo is not TGX16,PC-Engine,Genesis(ofcourse).

 The new NES (called Supeer Famicom in Japan) is not out now.
 But the prototype has been made.I tell of Japanes_type.
 It has 16 bit cpu. and it has 6502 emulator ,too.
 But for prev games (old nes) there is an adapter to run it.
 I think the adapter is not need because the adapter is perfect same as NES.
 (if you have NES)

 Though, we can use Video output and same output cable to T.V.

 +==========+    Cable
 |  || old  |========+
 |  || game |    +===|===+
 +==========+    | +===+ |<=cart. for connect.
  NES adapter    | |===| |
                 |       |============================> to TV's Video input
                 +=======+
                Super Famicom

 

From SEGA, GENESIS with 16 bit(68000) cpu.

 Nowadays, many arcade game makers are making cartridge for it.

                                

From NEC, TGX with CD-ROM.

 TGX(TurboGrafx-16) is same PC-Engine but the casing and Game card
 is little modifyed.
 following is its option,

 CD-player; (CD graphics function is added old CD-ROM for PC-E.)
 Turbo Booster; (for Video out,Stereo sound)
 Turbo Tap; for 5 players game.(many games are available multi players game)
 Turbo Stick; rapid shooting stick


I have all/exclude=SUPERFAMICOM game machines.
After and after ,great game are onsale.
If you play new 16bit games,I think you will be surprised!!





P.S. We have been made a game notes for GENESIS(MEGA) and TGX16(PC-Engine).
     KBOV06::MEGA  if you like please see it!
 
I like all game machines ,because they have good point each other.
My game hobby is start at FAMICOM.I like it ofcouse.
I hope all machines are played in the world!!!!



TKTV05::SAKAI
Hiro

    Thanks Hiro for the info. It does get confusing. I was working from
    memory from an old article I had read some time ago. I do'nt know where
    I got the idea that the new system was from NES. I guess it was the
    simularity in names. 

    
      The article I had read,somewhere,mentioned the 16bit CPU that the
    Super Famicom was going to use was the 65816. If that # is correct
    isn't it the 16bit brother in the 65xx family. Would this not be
    similar to how AppleII software is quite compatible with the IIGS. The
    16bit chip can handle the 8bit opcode. The ???'s would be can the ROM
    based OS in the new unit handle the older graphics modes,sprites,color
    limitation,etc.....
                                                                 RONM
    

    re: 298.8  QBUS::MITCHAM
    
    I hear you.  Same happen to me with the Intellivision/INTV system
    and we know what happened there.  
    So don't sweat it.                     
    
    Just remember....
    
    Jack be nimble,
    Jack be quick,
    Jack never got use to the new joystick.
    
    I beat my son at the 30+ INTV games I own and he *clobbers* me on
    the NES.  
    You'll be glad to have the old slow game that you're still a master
    at.        
                
    richard       
    who_now_saying_"THAT_MY_BOY"_a_lot 

> The new NES (called Supeer Famicom in Japan) is not out now.
> But the prototype has been made.I tell of Japanes_type.
> It has 16 bit cpu. and it has 6502 emulator ,too.
> But for prev games (old nes) there is an adapter to run it.
> I think the adapter is not need because the adapter is perfect same as NES.
> (if you have NES)
>
> Though, we can use Video output and same output cable to T.V.
>
> +==========+    Cable
> |  || old  |========+
> |  || game |    +===|===+
> +==========+    | +===+ |<=cart. for connect.
>  NES adapter    | |===| |
>                 |       |============================> to TV's Video input
>                 +=======+
>                Super Famicom

My explane was not so good.
I would like to say;


<How to run game of Normal_NES on SUPERFAMICOM.>
SUPERFAMICOM has an adapter to run old (normal Famicom) games.
The adapter is almost same normal(old) Famicom.
The SPUERFAMICOM's cpu is not run then.(because use adapters 6502)  

Ofcourse, Super's game is run on 16bit CPU directly.

Hiro

    Hiro, this question is for you or any one else that has the answers:
    
    Okay, first let me see if I have my information correct.  
    
    *The Super Famicom unit that will soon be released by Nintendo will
    	allow the currently released NES games to be played on it via an 
    	adapter.
    
    
    Okay, now here are my questions:
    
    *If I buy the Super Famicom unit without the adapter, can I switch from
    	playing the Super Famicom games to the NES games without having to
    	disconnect the Super Famicom unit and vice versa?  In other words,
    	can I hook the units to the same TV at the same time?  
    
    *Is buying the adapter substantially cheaper than buying an NES unit
    	which sell for about $80?
    
    *What are the advantages, if any, for current NES owners like myself
    	that are interested in 16-bit units, to wait for Nintendo's Super 
    	Famicom unit instead of buying one of the other 16 bit units like NEC's
    	TGX-16?
    
    *When do you think the Super Famicom unit will be released in Japan and
    	in the United States?
    
    *What do you think will be the price of the Super Famicom unit?  
        

 I know Japanese type only ,and I think the name and cartridge will be change
 when release in U.S.
 Now Nintendo thinks next big market is in U.S.
 It will be sell!!     

>    *The Super Famicom unit that will soon be released by Nintendo will
>    	allow the currently released NES games to be played on it via an 
>    	adapter.

Yes, but I don,t know "soon" or so.
Super Mario 4,ZELDA 3 will run on it.
At first Nintendo desided to sell it more early time.But it wasn't....
for few reason ;at that time PC-Engine have just released,next time Mega...    
		cost of semi-conductor up......
 
>    *If I buy the Super Famicom unit without the adapter, can I switch from
>    	playing the Super Famicom games to the NES games without having to
>    	disconnect the Super Famicom unit and vice versa?  In other words,
>    	can I hook the units to the same TV at the same time?  

If you buy adapter it could,but if you don't buy it you had to reconnect
the cable to T.V.
The adapter send signal to T.V via Supers video output.
    
>    *Is buying the adapter substantially cheaper than buying an NES unit
>    	which sell for about $80?
 
>       *What are the advantages, if any, for current NES owners like myself
>    	that are interested in 16-bit units, to wait for Nintendo's Super 
>    	Famicom unit instead of buying one of the other 16 bit units like NEC's
>    	TGX-16?

(Good point)
New thing must have the best point to  sell well.
According to news,Superfamicom has many great function on graphics
and Sounds.    


>    *When do you think the Super Famicom unit will be released in Japan and
>    	in the United States?
    
I hope in this year.
but I don't know.

>    *What do you think will be the price of the Super Famicom unit?  
        
It is a top secret of Nintendo.
Then never say about that.

I think it is cheep(not so cheap) against for the price of MEGA,TGX.
Nintendo must sell many many number.
Nintendo earn its cartridge or license.

Thats all my opinion.
I inform it when I have it.


Hiro
                  

    
    re .13
    
    Hiro:
    
    	Thanks for the quick response.  I now have a better sense of how to
    approach a purchase of a 16-bit machine when they hit the market.

	Has anyone read about Nintendo's view on the market for their
new system?  Do they hope for all of their customers to upgrade or
is the machine aimed more at a market of presently non-game-owners?
	Do they plan to support both machines in terms of new cartridges?  (for 
instance, will Super Mario Brothers 3 be available in "Famicom" and "Super 
Famicom" versions?)  If the old NES is to be phased out, is the base price 
expected to drop?
	From the previous notes, PC-Engine seems to be winning in Japan.  What
are the advantages of this system?  Are the games themselves so much 
better than those of the other systems or is it that the hardware and graphics 
stand above the rest?  Or is it just a successful advertising campaign?

Thanks

    I'm pretty happy with the current NES. If the new one doesn't support
    the old games, I won't be buying one. If it does, and there is some
    kind of trade in policy, I'll buy one for sure.
    
    I'm just gonna wait this one out. I will admit though, that I'm
    reluctant to purchase new games at $60.00 (e.g. Ultima) if they're
    gonna announce a new system soon. I figure prices will drop.
    
    Jim

Hi,

Many new games coming for MEGA and PC now.
But nothing hot news of Superfamicom now from Nintendo now.

In otherhands,the number of NES in U.S. is over in Japan.
And Nintendo thinking Network system of NES in U.S.
According to news the scale is greater than Japanese one.
In Japan Famicom is used only stock by few people.(excl=game)
And no Game Net.

Now and I don't know Superfamicom will sell in U.S. soon.

Though other new may sell soon.

P.S. Superfamicom has no compati. only it.(need adapter that has 6809.)

Thanks,
Hiro

	I have heard rumors (about the networking) that Nintendo will
	offer an interface to the Sears Prodigy (sp?) do-everything-
	at-home network for 9.95.  Anyone can confirm/deny this?

thanks
ort1

    I gotta agree with -2 about waiting this one out.  BTW how much do the
    games for the 16-bit machines cost?

re. -1

The cost of 16bit games are around $30 <-> $40 in Japan.
In discount store ,about 20% <-> 30% off ,now.

Hiro

    The "new" game systems described in previous replies haven't appeared
    in New York (at least).
    
    Isn't about time for these to be in stock for Christmas?

       The Sega Genesis is available now in Mass. at K Bee and Toys R us
    ripping U off stores. The NEC tgx16 was susposed to have been released
    in August, but no show here yet. I would expect to see it any time now.
       If you do consider buying a Genesis system be warned, they put a 
    two player game in the box w/the system and then give you only one
    controller. Sort of a gotcha rip off if you ask me and wait until you
    see the prices they want for the games ____OUCH!!!!!!

    
     I spoke to soon!! went to Toys R Us ripping U off in Auburn Mass. last
    night and they had-----you guessed it! NEC's Turbografx 16 (the number
    one selling game system in Japan) on sale for the paltry price of
    $199.99 so I bought it!!! What a deal!! no games available yet, but am 
    told they will be here within a week or two at the most.
    
        To keep a long story short, It is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I now own both the Sega Genesis and the Turbografx 16 and my
    NES and all my games are for sale. Either one of these systems
    makes the NES look like an Atari 2600. Once you try one there is 
    no turning back. They just ruin the old thrill that you get
    from the NES.
    
       It is my hope that the moderator of this file might consider
    changing the notesfile name to something like Home_videogames.
    and include everyone and every system. Think of the fun for the 
    noters.
    
      Happy Gaming
             Bill-who-is-a-certified-video-game-addict

You say all of your NES games are for sale.  Does this mean that NES games are 
not compatible with the new Nintendo?  At least ATARI allowed you to run 2600 
games on the 7200 when it came out.

I don't care how good the graphics and action are.  I am not going to trash
several hundred dollars of games (some of which my children would kill me
if I got rid of them) or maintain two games systems.  Besides, Link just
got to the sixth palace.


Signed,
Steve (impersonating as Peter)

    Rep .24
    
     Steve look again!! my reply is talking about a system that is
    made by NEC corp. not Nintendo. The names are so alike that it is 
    very confusing at first,but they are different corperations and
    that is why there is no compatability. Sega is different, they do sell 
    an adaptor that will play all or most games from their old system.
    
      As far as I know Nintendo has not even released a 16 bit version
    in Japan yet and when they do it is usually a year at least before
    it come to the U.S.
      I also am not going to trash my old games either. I am also not
    going to let them collect dust if others can use them. I sell them
    for around $10 less than I paid for them and I call it the cost of
    using the game. My family has not even turned on the Nintendo (except
    to compare) since we moved up to 16 bit machines.
      Don't get me wrong here also. The nintendo is still a fine system
    and there are still some very exciting things to come out for it.
    the system should do well for a few more years. Also many will 
    not like the prices for the new systems and their games.

    Does anyone know if Nintendo is ever going to come out with some
    sort of expansion card or something to plug into the port on the
    bottom of the deck?  I've always wondered what that's for.
    
    Thanks for any replies.
    Glen.

    I've heard that the bottom connector port was for :
    
    	1: a keyboard
    	2: a diagnostic device
    	3: a graphics co-processor
    	4: connecting a "network"
    	5: making everyone wonder what it is
    
    I've always wanted it to be #4 but suspect the real answer is #5

    In Japan, a disk drive is available, to be connected to the Nintendo. 
    Once you have purchased the drive and some disks, you can get new games
    written onto a disk more cheaply than buying a cartridge.
    
    
    				-- edp

    I know someone with a Nintendo bought just after it came out.
    The thing came with a robot that moves around and plays against/with
    you, it might be for the robot . 
    
    When is the next generation of Nintendo due out?
    
    CaptainToenail

    This topic was started in 1989 - about two years ago.
    
    The Super NES is just out (what, about a month now?)
    
    I am the kind of person who does not tend to buy the latest high tech
    stuff, though am not 'afraid' of it, just don't want to put the money
    out because something new will obsolete it. thus I don't get anything.
    
    But now that SNES is out and quite a bit after the other 16-bitters,
    who won?  Was it better to buy the newer NEC and GENESIS, etc when it
    came out so you could have the enjoyment, or waity for the SNES -
    incompatibility and all?
    
    Thanks
    
    Randy