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    For those who don't know about Ultima-like games:
    
    o	Ultima is not like any previous Nintendo game.  It is sort
    	of like Adventure of Link in goals, but the means by which
    	those goals are achieved is different.
    
    o	Ultima is based on one of the series of Ultima games for
    	computers, Ultima III I think.  Early computer games did
    	not have much in the way of graphics, which has a lot to
    	do with the style of the game.
    
    o	You don't control the fighting directly.  That is, you don't
    	use the control pad to do the hacking and throwing yourself.
    	Your players and the enemies take turns.  On each turn, your
    	player can move a square, use a weapon in a given direction,
    	cast a spell, or use a tool.
    
    o	There are cities and dungeons.  In cities, you trade and
    	gather information.  In dungeons, you gain experience while
    	killing monsters and looking for treasure.
    
    o	The important difference between Ultima and other cartridges
    	is that Ultima is a game in the sense of sets of actions
    	with rules, while other cartridges are not games so much
    	as activities of sport.
    
    
    				-- edp

    You may notice odd changes on the screen while you move around cities.
    This is because the areas that you cannot see are blacked out.  E.g.,
    everything on the opposite side of a wall from you is black.  When you
    go around to that side of the wall, you'll be able to see what is
    there, but the original side will be black.
    
    
    				-- edp

    I purchased this game last Thursday night (23-MAR)...at Kay Bee
    Toys in the Auburn mall (Auburn, MA).  They had ten or so left at
    $54.95 each, a little steep but well worth the money.  This is an
    excellent game...even if I haven't gotten very far yet!!!
    
    Wendy

    Is anyone else playing this game??????????????  
    
    Wendy

	Does anybody know if the game Ultima Exodus is out yet?  I'm
	looking for it and it sounds pretty good.....................
	
	

    Re .5:
    
    There are five Ultima games for computers, numbered I through V and
    also with names.  I think the Nintendo Ultima is III.  Nintendo Exodus
    might be IV (or perhaps even III; magazines are not always accurate).
    In any case, Exodus has never been mentioned in Nintendo Power.  If it
    is a sequel to Ultima, it is probably a good way off.
    
    
    				-- edp 

    Re: .5

    Can I get the CPM version of these games -Ultima I-V - for my computer?
    And where would I get them?  An address and/or phone number if you
    have it would be great.

    The magazine that I saw the review for Ultima Exodus in is called
    Electronic Gaming Monthly which covers games for Nintendo, Sega and
    Atari.

    *Debbie*

    I have both the Nintendo "Ultima"  and "Ultima V" (for my IBM clone).
    Both are good games although I prefer the Nintendo version for the
    most part.  I believe the current NES "Ultima" is the game you are
    looking for (a few replies ago).  When you turn the game on it goes
    through the credits...then the screen you start from reads, "ULTIMA
    EXODUS".  The name on the box and the cartridge is just "Ultima".
    I have made quite a bit of headway in this game and would enjoy
    talking to someone else who's playing it...I still have a very long
    way to go!!!
    
    Wendy

    Re .7:
    
    You can find Ultima games in most software stores, although they may be
    out of stock on older versions.  The publisher is Origin Systems in
    Manchester, New Hampshire.  Actually, they moved a few thousand feet
    and are now in Londonderry.  I think they are on Harvey Road; the phone
    company can give you an address.
    
    
    				-- edp 

    Having just talked with Nintendo Customer Service I was told that
    Ultima for the NES is  the same as the Ultima games that are for the
    Commadore all rolled into one game.  So, I was just looking for the
    incorrect game title.  But it's still hard to find this.  Nintendo
    also told me that as soon as Ultima took off popularity wise Nintendo
    Power would do a feature with maps and hints in it.  The reason that it
    hasn't taken off, I was told was probably that everyone was still
    playing Link!!

	Thanks for all the help and to all who answered my questions,
	and for not making me feel any dumber than I already feel...

	    *Debbie*
    
	

    Hi!
    	Just wanted to know if anyone out there is playing Ultima. I
    just purchased the game (for $49, pretty steep), and would welcome
    some spoilers. The instruction book is rather intimidating.
    				Blues.

    I'm playing Ultima and think its great so far. I can bring my
    characters all to skill level 5 and survive above ground for a long
    time,however I'm not sure which of the caves to search out first as
    all my attempts below ground have ended badly. I am using 2 rangers
    a cleric and a wizzard. What are you using for characters?? I have
    managed an interesting boat ride and a warp (kind of)so far but
    both of these ended in death , I must not have been ready for where
    I went. This is not a spoiler as talking to a common non player
    character will yield this info...so... you must talk to the king
    more than once during the game to get your characters started in
    the right direction.
    
    	              I	hope this helps someone .
    
    		     I won't turn down any help myself.
    			Good Luck   Dwaine L
    

    I have been to EXODUS and survived.  I have maps of
    I have maps of the dungeons and Ambrosia and Exodus
    
    if you'd like some help send a All in one to 
    me at Odixie
    

    
        If anyone sees this game in any of the stores in the Northern
    Ma., Southern NH. area, could you post it here?  Tanx. My birthday
    is coming up soon, and I have to let my wife know where she might
    be able to find it.    ;^)

    -rick

    
       Well finally found the game in stock somewhere.  There were a
    few copies left at KayBee Toy at the Pheasant Lane Mall in Nashua
    NH. last night at the (over)price of 59.99 .  Think I'll wait a
    little longer.

    -rick    

    Trysoft finally got it in stock too... at least as of last Friday
    they had Ultima in stock, and I received it on Monday. I think the
    price was $50.00, still overpriced, but cheaper than $60.00.
    
    For anyone wanting to call, rather than making you look for the
    number, it's 800-877-6274.
    
    John

    Though this game seems steeply priced (I paid $54 for mine) I found
    it was worth the bucks.  Not many games hold my interest for a long
    time.  I gave up on LINK II after a few days.  I think is has someting
    to do with "structure".  I found ULTIMA a pretty structured, logical
    game which fit my style of play.  It has bee mention in the LEGACY
    OF THE WIZZARD note how unstructured that game is and I agree. 
    I started the game several times then gave up to let my son do it.
    He loves LEGACY but gave up on ULTIMA.  I guess it's not "like father
    like son".
    
    Now if you want me to explain how magic and wizzardry can be structured
    I haven't the fondest clue.  It's just how I see it.
    
    A weekend rental of this game might give you a fair idea if you'd
    like it but I don't believe an overnight rental would give you enough
    play time to fairly evaluate it.
    
    

    o.k., I admit I need help!!!
    
    1. I have the mark of the king and the mark of fire, but have not
    been able to find the other two in the other dungeons. Can anyone
    help???
    
    2. I have also been unable to locate the "dungeon" to talk to the
    prisoners as a townsperson suggests. Anyy help??
    
    3. One one trip by use of the moon gate (the black whirlpool) I
    landed in the area beyond the snake and in front of the second
    castle. After defeating the pirates, I got on the ship and was
    immediately attacked by two #@!!*&?#! against whom nothing worked.
    What gives?
    
    You can e-mail me at HOCUS::LANDRON or leave a spoiler here.
    
    
    Thanks a million!!!!
    
    			Mich

    Re .19:
    
    I found the mark of the flower.  It is:
    
    beyond the whirlpool.  If that's not enough of a clue, let me know.
    
    
    				-- edp

    So what's the deal on Ultima?  I've got my characters raised to levels
    12, 7, 6, and 6.  This isn't a great help -- all the monsters in the
    overworld get harder, thus cancelling out my increased power if not
    actually making things more difficult.
    
    I haven't found anything yet that increases my magic or willpower.
    Fighting monsters is tedious and there's not much money to gain.
    Perhaps I spent too much time building up my levels before I started
    exploring.  I'm looking around now to see if there's anything more
    interesting to find in the caves.
    
    
    				-- edp 

    	ULTIMA is a very frustrating and extrememly time-consuming game.
    You must chose your characters wisely in the beginning. Wisdom and
    intelligence are highly valued. You should know that the maximum
    power levels for the characters is 25, so you have a bit to go.
    Do go searching in the "overworld" as much as you can and do write
    down the clues the townspeople give you (at least the ones that
    are even remotely helpful). I found that some of the clues were
    forgotten until I actually got to the point where it was useful.
    
    	Good luck.
    
    					Blues

    Now I need some help--Jerry, are you out there?
    
    In the town with the greedy guards, I have been told that you can
    give them a "gift" as a result of a second-screen prompt. While
    I have added the "Pray" prompt by going to the "Circle of Light",
    I can not seem to find out what I have to do to get the "gift" 
    (or is it "bribe") prompt to avoid fighting all those guards in
    that town.
    
    HELP!!!!!!!
    
    			Mich

    Bribing a guard to LEAVE his post!  What a dastardly thing to do.

    Actually, Jerry, not really to leave his (or her) post, just have
    their attention temporarily distracted.
    
    As the wascally wabbit would say, "Despicable!"
    
    Mich
    

    These guards (he or she) have been know to take the money and leave
    town.  Your right "Despiable!"

    Strategy for accumulating points and dollars:
    
    Don't visit the King.  That way, your characters remain at level one
    and you continue to encounter monsters which can be defeated with Repel
    or Undead.  You can explore a lot this way as long as you do not go
    down in the caves.  (You can take a peek at their first levels.)
    
    Eventually, you'll need a ship.  You might want to hold off until you
    have 20,000 pieces of gold.  FCI tells me you need 5,000 per character
    to raise their skills (at the right places).  Unfortunately, I don't
    know if that is per level or total. 
    
    
    				-- edp 

    I don't know what FCI is referring to when they say 5000 GP's are
    needed to increase your powers because you'll find that it takes
    100 GP's to increase 1 point in strength, dexterity, wisdom or
    intelligence.  Keep in mind that it is not a  1-to-1 ratio of
    increasing your MMP (Maximum Magic Power) with some characters.
    
    I'll provide hints to interested parties either here or via mail.
    
    I have been to EXODUS and SURVIVED.

    Re .28:
    
    Well then 5000 gold pieces would increase a skill by 50 points, so I
    think the counselor must have been indicating the total needed to bring
    your character to the maximums in some categories.
    
    Last night, I built up 10,000 gold for my party.  I'll do another
    10,000 tonight and then go to Ambrosia.
    
    By the way, do you know how the character attributes work?  The
    instruction book lists numbers for the various races, but it doesn't
    say what those numbers are.  Are they the maximums the skills can be
    raised to? 
    
    
    				-- edp 

    Yes, on the maximum skill levels.
    
    I would make the same assumption about the game counslers info.
     I.E when your setting up a character the most of anyone skill you
    can give is 25 and 50 more would be the max. for several characters.
     Except for WIZZARDS and CLERICS.  ( I like DEATH and DESTROY magic
    power).
    
    Good journey.

	Greetings, all -
	I just started playing ULTIMA and have a few questions...

	1.  When you find the gold pick, who can use it and where?  Is
	    it only useful in getting the armor?  Is the place to 'dig'
	    where the little girl says "Dig here""Dig here"?
	    
	 2.  I am curious as to what other people have used for their
	     'party members' and who/what was successful/good idea to
	     have along in the party.

	3.  Just about anything that has to do with starting the game.  I
	    should say how/where you begin in this game.  Do what first, go
	    where first, etc. and so on...

			Thanks for any and all help,
					*D* 

    My strategy so far has been not to talk to the King and not to touch
    the Mark of the Kings.  Doing those causes worse monsters to appear. By
    avoiding them and keeping my characters at level one or two, I've
    accumulated more than 2500 experience points for each of them, over
    5000 for one character.  Yet I've built up my magic power and acquired
    the Mark of Force and Mark of Fire.  I'm also saving up cash to buy
    more strength and dexterity.  (The game is a definite pain in the
    amount of work it makes you do to acquire enough cash.) 
                                                           
    I'm planning to go on this way as long as possible.  When I'm ready,
    all I have to do is touch the Mark of the Kings and talk to the King,
    and all my characters will be raised to level 25. 

    However, there are some things I'm wondering about.  I don't know what
    the Time Lord is referring to -- caves, places, destinations of moon
    gates, what?  How do you give money to the guards on the island?  Where
    is the Mark of the Snake?  Do I need anything besides that and the
    silver horn to win the game?  If so, where do I get them? 

    By the way, my strategy for caves is to buy a lot of gems and powder,
    use magic to descend to level 8 without moving horizontally at all, use
    the gems on level 8 to see where I am, and then either move to
    interesting places carefully or use Ascend and Descend to change my
    location.  (Ascend and Descend accomplishes the same effect as Trans.) 


				-- edp

    reply to .31
    
    I haven't found any characters that couldn't use the gold pick.
    It's only use I've found is to get the mystic armour.  It can be
    passed from character to character so all can get the armour (hope
    that doesn't constitute a spoiler).  I didn't tell you where to
    get it.  I'll try to think of a good clue for the location.
    
    I solve this with a Cleric, Wizard, Lark and Ranger.  I had only
    made those characters because I like their looks and skills but
    really didn't know what I was doing.  I believe you can solve this
    adventure with any set of characters but will have to employ different
    strategies depending on their abilities.
    
    DREAM TEAM
    
    Based on my style of play, I've put together a *dream team* of a
    Fuzzy Wizard, Bobbit Cleric, Dwarf Cleric, and Elf Wizard.
    
    As a said in a prior not *death* and *destroy* are awesome weapons.
    
    Basic starting senerios I use are kill a few enemies and stock up
    on food so you don't have to worry about it latter.  Explore the
    caves to get the needed treasures (Marks,Money,Tools).
    
    
    reply to .32
    
    The *Moon Gates* transport you to some difficult to reach points
    in the game.  They open up like black whirlpools in the ground
    according to the waxing and the waning of the moon.
    
    Giving money to dishonest guards is not really difficult but there
    is a law against it.  I think it's called *Bribe*ry
    
    The mark of the snake is in the cave of moon but you'll need more
    than that to win. 
    
    If you want specifics send me mail at Odixie::Witman
    
    EXODUS awaits you!!!  Few have survived!!
    

    ooopppsss......
    
    The Mark of Snake is not in the Cave of Moon.   The correction follows
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    The Mark of Snake is in the Cave of SOl (level 8)
    

    It's me again - my next question is, how do you acquire the different
    magic spells like ascend, descend, tras.?

    Do you have to be a certain character before these become available to
    you?  When I asked about who can use the gold pick, I did so because
   once I got the gold pick and  I had selected that tool to use, I got
    the message "Can't use it."  Is this because the place I was trying to
    dig in was incorrect or what????

    Also, is it possible to fight and WIN the guards - the ones who catch you
    when you you steal from the guild shop?  Is THIEF the best guy to do the
    stealing?  I guess what I mean is, who is the sneakiest and able to get away
    with stealing goods from shops?

    Thanks for the help and advice,
    *D*    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    The Mark of Snake is in the Cave of SOl (level 8)
    

    Re .35:
    
    To get the advanced spells, you need a character with either clerical
    magic or wizardry, and you need to accumulate a lot of cash and visit
    one or more of the shrines.  You can do this with a character that has
    both clerical magic and wizardry, but that requires more cash and
    prevents you from reaching some of the highest spells.
    
    You can beat the guards, but there's not much point to it.  I took on
    the King once; I think he may be unbeatable.  600 hit points didn't
    phase him.
    
    
    				-- edp 

    If my responses are viewed as *spoilers* let me know and I'll learn
    how to hide them behind linefeeds.  I'll try to keep my hints cryptic
    enough to be helpful but not outright *spoilers* (in my view).
    
    reply to .35
    
    The magic spells a character can acquire vary by the characters
    profession.  You increase a characters MMP (Maximum Magic Power)
    by donating GP's at the *SHRINES*.
    
    I'll have to check the "can't use it".  I believe your correct in
    that the item you were trying to find wasn't there.
    
    Beating the guards is both possible and profitable (15 experience
    points per guard) but you better be very experienced or have much
    magic, a blowgun helps, also.
    
    I didn't find much use in stealing.  I'd rather destroy for my GP's.
    The only thing you really need to steal from the shops is the pick.
    

    reply .36
    
    I tried to kill the king without success.  I had characters that
    had 2550 MHP's, strength at 99 and blowguns.  The king wore me down
    until I just hit reset and gave up.
    
    i can see your point that killing the guards is fruitless but if
    you steal you'd better be prepared to do battle with them.  There
    seems to be easier ways to get GP's than stealing.
    

    To anybody:  I'm looking for outright, total spoilers.
    
    I played Dragon Warrior a little yesterday and have decided I want to
    get Ultima over with so I can go on to better games (Golvellius, King's
    Quest, and Penguin Land on the Sega, and Dragon Warrior on the
    Nintendo).
    
    So for Ultima, I just want to know what to do.  I've raised the
    strength of three of my characters to the maximum and raised the magic
    of all of them a lot, and they all have enough experience points to
    bring them to the maximum level.  I've got the marks of Fire and Force
    and the flower.  Can I just waltz into the Cave of Sol and get the Mark
    of the Snake?
    
    Where do I get the pick or the mystic sword?  What do I need from the
    Cave of Moon or the Cave of Death?  How do I get the command needed to
    bribe the guards?
    
    (Reasons I like Dragon Warrior better than Ultima:  It's bigger and
    more varied, they don't make you work endlessly at the same tasks to
    earn points, all your abilities go up with your level, and it is more
    interesting to explore.  Naturally, you do have to do some work to
    raise your level, but it pays off immediately in increased abilities,
    which also lets you go a bit further to explore new territory.  Also,
    the fighting does use the same hit/be-hit scheme that Ultima uses, but
    it doesn't go into the fight scene the way Ultima does, and the fights
    aren't long and drawn out as in Ultima.  You spend more time looking
    around instead of fighting repeatedly.  In Ultima, I had a complete map
    very quickly, and most of what I've done since then is build up my
    points and check the map locations for items.) 
    
    
    				-- edp

    .-1  I couldn't get an mail message to you.  Call me latter to day
    or tomorrow/or send me mail and I'll answer it.   DTN 353-6377 
     jerry
    

    I need some help in figuring out how/when/why to use the tent.

    In one town the folks there told me that the tent was used when hit
    points were low but I have not been able to use the tent.  What do
    I need to do/have before I can use it?
    
	*D*    

    Re .41:
    
    You have to be outside and not in a battle.  When you are in the middle
    of a battle, you don't pitch a tent and go to sleep. 
    
    
    				-- edp 

	Where can I find the Mark of Power, Mark of the Flower and
	the four marks of the King?  I assume they are in a cave somewhere.

	Will I be unable to meet/fight the pirates until I am at the 5th
	level experience?  Do all of my characters have to be at the 5th level
	or just the leader?  

	Are the brigards or brigands pirates or just nastys to beat?  Once
	when I was fighting them, they stole something from Lark, I don't
	know what 'cause just after I was notified that Lark had been robbed
	Lark (the last surviving member of my party) was killed.  

	This game seems good.  Too much time is needed to acquire gold to 
	do/buy stuff - does anybody else feel the same way?  I seem to
	spend hours just acquiring enough gold to buy some armor only to
	have every member of my party poisoned so that I need to spend the
	just acquired gold on getting everyone cured.  Oh well....

	Any help is sure appreciated...
		
        *D*_frustrated_Ultima_player_who's_characters_are_still_level_1

    Re .44:
    
    You only need one Mark of the Kings (it can be gotten separately for
    each player at one location), and it can be found in several places,
    the easiest of which is on the first level of the cave northeast of the
    royal city.
    
    I'm not sure about exactly how the levels affect the enemies that
    appear, including the pirates, but one character at level five with the
    Mark of the Kings might be enough.  I very much recommend keeping your
    characters at level one or two until you have earned a great deal of
    money.  If you do not advance your levels, you can keep fighting the
    easy monsters.  The more advanced monsters are just pains without being
    worth all that much more in points and nothing more in gold.
                                      
    
    				-- edp

	How do I get the level of my characters raised?  The instruction
	booklet did not make several things clear to me, this was one of
	them.  

	Also, on the pirates, do I have to have the mark of the king before
	they will appear?  And where do I dig with the gold pick?  When
	I tried digging where the girl (in same city that I got the pick
	in) said "dig here. dig here" I got the message "Can't use it"
	after selecting the gold pick on the tool screen...

	Thanks for the help and understanding...

		*D*

    *******SPOILERS TO FOLLOW***********
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    *****CAVES AND THEIR TREASURES*******
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Cave of Gold - Level 8 - Mark of King
    
    Cave of Sol  - Level 8 - Mark of Snake
    
    Cave of Fire - Level 8 - Mark of Force
                           - Mark of Fire
    
    Cave of Moon - Level 8 - Mark of Fire
    			   - Mark of King
    
    Cave of Death- Level 8 - Silver Pick
    			   - Mark of King
    
    Cave of Fool - nothing
    
    Cave of Madness - nothing
    

    Re .46:
    
    I don't know exactly when the ship appears.  Also, the way I played the
    game, I used some characters for a while, captured the ship, and had
    explored a bit.  Then I decided I wanted different characters, so I
    created new ones and formed a new party.  The resulting party had all
    low-level characters, so I got the easy monsters, but my captured ship
    was still available for use.
    
    The King raises your level as high as five if you have enough
    experience points, or to levels beyond five if you have points and the
    Mark of the Kings.  I would expect pirate ships to appear by the time
    you reach level five and have the Mark of the Kings. 
    
    The Marks of Fire and Force can be found:
    
    on level 8 of the Cave of Fire, among other places.  They are in
    different parts of that level, so you'll need to move around with Move
    or go up and down in different places.
    
    You dig on one of the islands -- a two block island east of the city of
    Fawn.
    
    
    				-- edp

	I need some help/hints/advice on how to kil Manes, Brigands(or Brig-
	ards), Griffins, Demons, and other monsters found in the caves.
	My guys(in the party)are all level 1 but I have enough experience
	points to go up more levels but do not want to do so at this point.

	I have a cleric, druid, paladin, and a lark.  So far I'm doing
	o.k.  This game is a pain in that you need to gather enough gold
	in order to buy things that you need such as food, weapons, armor.
	and in opening the chests to get the gold, often times are poisoned
	catch a cold or even die!!  I end up spending just about all the gold
	that I find on curing poisonings or colds!!

	Is there a way to detect traps and/or poison and/or colds?

	Thanks for all the help...
		*D*

	I forgot to ask this question in my previous note - where is
	the city of Fawn located and do I get to it?  This city was mentioned
	in note .48 - I know where Dawn is but have not come across a city
	by the name of Fawn, yet.  There are a couple of cities that I have
	been unable to reach - yet - so probably one of them is Fawn?

	Thanks,
	*D*

    Re .49, .50:
    
    Killing the more difficult monsters while on level one is difficult.
    Basically, you need great magic.  When I did the caves, I avoided most
    monsters by traveling as quickly as possible to level 8, looking around
    with gems, and getting out.
    
    To get magic, you need a lot of gold (100 pieces per hit point, so 5000
    or more pieces to get the best spells) and you need the boat.  I don't
    think you can get the boat with only level one characters.  I got it
    because I played with some characters, advanced their levels, got the
    boat, and then created new characters to form a new party.  The new
    characters were at level one but they still had the boat. 
    
    I think you need the boat before you can get to Fawn.
    
    When you use magic or gems to get a map of the caves, traps appear as
    question marks on the map, but so do treasures and other things you
    want.
     
    
    				-- edp

    re .49
    
    I suggest that you at least visit the kind (without any marks) to
    get up to level 5. You'll run into some of the larger monsters on
    the surface after that, but at least you'll have 550 instead of
    150 hit points!  Also, the guild shop has some things of use (other
    than gems) for the large monsters.  Not only will these save you
    from being beat up upon by the larger monsters, you can save your
    cleric magic for getting treasures much more safely!
    
    Regards,
    john
    

    Mildest of spoilers, concerning opening chests:
    
    Only use the cleric command OPEN rather than the usual open command
    that anyone can do.  If you don't have enough points to do the open at
    the moment, walk around a bit and come back to it.  The cleric spell
    OPEN will let you open trapped chests without getting hit by the traps.
    
    							Ned
    

    O.K. now I'm cooking - I think.  Last night by 1 a.m. I had gotten the
    mark of fire and the pray command and the silver horn and had iron
    swords for the 2 members of my party that could use them and had raised
    my levels of everyone in the party to 5 - what I need now is the boat to
    go to Ambrosia - any hints/help/answers on where to look for these
    pirates that are supposed to be on this ship?  I'm really into this game
    now that things are starting to happen for me.  I could use some more
    help in how to get the "bribe" command - how,where do I get this important
    command?  Should I get the mark of the king for all 4 members and then
    visit the king or will that make the monsters HARDER even still to defeat?
    Those sands/powder and gems are real handy!!!!

    Thanks for helping me...
	*D*    

    Jerry, are you out there?
    
    Thanks for all your help--I'll call you soon, but I still need an
    outright spoiler to get the "bribe" prompt. I'm almost ready to
    go to Exodus, but have to spend inordinate amounts of time getting
    GP to advance my levels in Ambrosia.
    
    Does anyone have a map of Exodus or any spoilers?
    
    Mich

    .-1
    
    If you're *ready to go to EXODUS* you don't need the *BRIBE* prompt.
    
    This game is obviously for the paitient person.
    
    Yes, I have a map of EXODUS, but a map won't help when the *FLOOR*
    attacks.
    
    You do have the *CARDS* to place on the alter?  Consider this: They
    have to be placed in the correct order.  I think the fun has yet
    to begin.
    

    Jerry,
    	I have been to Exodus and been attacked by the Floors--pretty
    wild I must say. Since it was rather late and I was tired I did
    not fight my way completely out of the area and just shut it off.
    
    My gosh, you have to put the cards somewhere IN A CERTAIN ORDER?
    This is getting to be a bit much!!! 
    
    			Mich

    There is a very valuable clue about the card order given in one
    of the caves, eighth level, corner. Sorry. I can't remember which
    cave. I do remember that it was very difficult to get to the ladders,
    like going down a level to find an up-stairs in order to get to
    the right down-stairs.  There may have been a series of up & down
    stairs on the same screens that gave a quick way down. My maps are
    gone. Wish I could help more.

	About these cards...will I come across them later or do I need them 
	now?  All members of my party are at level 5, have the mark of fire,
	pray command, silver horn, and gold pick.  Reading through these
	last few notes has given me something ELSE to worry about...
	Thanks for any help and answers about these cards.

	*D*

    In case the following constitutes a *spoiler* I'll put it behind
    some LF's.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    The clue to the cards is *place the cards on the alter*.
    
    Directions to the *alter* follows.
    
    
    
    
    
    *spoiler*
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Enter EXODUS.
    
    For reference purposes: as you view the screen of the TV moving to the
    top I will call NORTH, moving to the left I will call WEST, moving to
    theright I will call EAST and moving to the bottom I will call SOUTH.
    
    Move north to the wall then cross over the fire to the east.  Take
    the path east to the wall, go north to the wall, go east to the wall,
    go north to the wall, go west to the wall, go north to the wall,
    go east to the fire, go north (two moves) and take the path to the
    west (three moves west), go north to the wall, go west to the wall
    then north across the *force* field.  Three moves past the *force*
    field go west to the wall, go south to the wall, (your getting reall
    close now), go west to the first path north. The altar is about
    ten moves north but *somebody* did warn you about the *floor*, didn't
    they?

    The hint about the order of the cards can be found in the CAVE OF MOON.
    [The name contains a hint about how to get there].
    
    Another useful hint comes from a townsperson - PRAY AT THE SHRINES.
    
    John         

    Re .59:
    
    You need the ship.  You may need to advance beyond level five.  Once
    the conditions are right, you will see pirates ships at various places
    on the water.  When you do, attack one of them.
    
    
    				-- edp 

    ref .61
    
    I don't recall a hint about the *order* of the cards.  Though I
    didn't have much trouble solving it (I was successful on my 3rd
    attempt).
    
    Please send me *mail* or post the clue and the level it was find
    on.
    
    I'm just curious.
    

    I'm looking for the silver pick.  I understand that it is in the
    Cave of Death on the 8th level.  Can somebody point me in the direction
    of it's location in relation to the Mark of Kings?  I've found the
    mystic armor and think that with the magic/mystic sword my party
    will be as armed as possible, is this a correct assumption?  Once you
    go to Ambrosia, how do you get back to Sosaria?  When I was there
    last, I couldn't find a pirate ship in the ocean that I could get to
    in order to fight the pirates and take their ship.

    Thanks for any and all help,

    P.S.  I now know HOW to get the *cards* and where to get them, I'm
    presently working on a theory I had...

    *D*    

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Mild *spoilers* follow    
    
    
    
    
    
    

    
    
    
    
    
        
    
    There is a path in Ambrosia that leads to the sea you arrive on.
    Look just south of where you found the flower (you did find the
    flower?).
    You will find a pirates ship (of coarse you'll have to defeat them
    to get the ship).  This sea also leads to the Shrine of Wisdom.

    Jerry,
    	Sorry to disagree, but the sea you will be on after you defeat
    the pirate ship in Ambrosia (when attemting to go back to Sosaria)
    leads to the Shrine of Dexterity. I agree that there does not seem
    to be much gained by getting a lot of dexterity.
    
    	To all the noters out there, I would publicly like to thank
    Jerry for all his help--to say it was invaluable would be an
    understatement. I have been playing Ultima for about four months
    until last Friday when Exodus was destroyed!!!!! I have been to
    Exodus and survived!!!!
    
    	I personally thought the ending was quite appropriate.
    
    			Mich

    Your right about the Shrine of Dexterity.  I don't know what I was
    thinking about.  Must of had a *memory parity error*.
    
    Send me your impression of the *victory* over EXODUS.
    

    This is in reply (sort of) to .61 that I wrote.  I found and got the silver
    pick and I know where to dig with it to get the mystic/magic sword, I know
    where to dig with the gold pick to get the mystic armor but I have a 
    question for you pros out there - will just getting/touching the Mark
    of Kings make the monsters in the overworld harder to fight?  I like the
    monsters that I can use repel and undead spells on in order to do away
    with them.  Should I get all the items(you know which ones I mean) from
    the caves while still at level 1 or should I go to level 5 and get them
    and then to Ambrosia, etc.?  I was gonna stay at level 1 for awhile till
    I had amassed enough gold, food, sands, gems and other goodies needed
    since it's much harder to fight monsters and get gold much less get back
    to Dawn when I'm level 5 -

    This is part of a theory that I'm working on...

    Thanks for all the help and hints/clues/pointers

	*D*    

    Well, I guess it really depends upon your philosophical approach
    to conquering this game. First of all, it would seem to be easier
    to steal gold from treasure chests even though you "get caught".
    There are several areas on the game board where you will find a
    lot of treasure chests. Getting gold there seems to me to be easier
    than fighting a lot of creatures and getting only a little at a
    time. 
    
    Related to this is the fact that in order to get to those areas
    in which there are a lot of treasure chests, you do have to be at
    higher levels. While it is true that more difficult monsters appear
    at higher levels, you are missing out on some of the crucial experience
    you will need later on to solve/win this game. Please note that
    the maximum level for a character is 25.
    
    The next related point is that getting to Ambrosia is absolutely
    critical. You will have to go there many times in order to do all
    that you have to do before you can even think of entering Exodus.
    Not only does this mean that you will have to raise your experience
    level, it also means that yopu will have to do extensive exploring,
    talking to townspeople, and experimenting. Many of the things you
    have to do are logical in themselves. Some are only logical after
    you talk to townspeople, but remember some townspeople lie.
    
    Pay attention to your screens and try to remember what happens,
    when and where it happens and what to do to recover. Don't be afraid!!!
    
    You can only have 9,999 gold points at one time. Believe me you
    will need to get much more than that to win this game.
    
    If you need some specific pointers, send me mail and I'll be happy
    to answer.
    
    							Mich

    I call the *Cave of Death* my perosnal *PIGGY BANK* since level
    three has 17 chest of gold in an easy pattern to find.  There's
    even a *Delicious Fountain* nearby in case you are badly injured.
    
    As .-1 says your style of plan will determine the methods you want
    to use to attain more gold.
    
    Good Luck
    

    Oh, yeah, using certain caves is almost essential to letting you
    proceed smoothly through to the end game. By familiarizing yourself
    with these caves, you can avoid using magic, re-build your strength,
    and get rich. 
    
    To all of you out there, enjoy exploring!!!!
    
    Mich

	Las night when playing ULTIMA, I decided to explore Exodus' lair
	before I turned the NES off for the night.  I came upon 2
	dragons and could NOT use my powder!!  How can one kill off these
	bad guys without the use of powder?  Also, how does one go about
	getting the rot and death spells?  I'm playing with a cleric, a	
	druid, a lark, and a ranger.  My party's levels are 23, 17,19 and 11
	though I don't remember whose level is what.

	Thanks for any and all help,
		*D*

    I'll give just a few general comments:
    
    The level strengths of your party members are not high enough yet.Keep
    building them up.
    
    Nothing works in Exodus except your fighting ability and magic.
    
    GOLD, GOLD, GOLD!!!!
    
    Visit Ambrosia frequently, but pay (pun) attention to how you spend
    your money.
    
    Do you have the Mystic Sword and the Mystic Armor?
    
    Don't despair--beating them final dragons (there are a heck of a
    lot more than 2) is relatively easy once you figure out how to best
    use what you have in your arsenal.
    
    If you need any more direct spoilers, send me mail.
    
    Mich

    Love this game.
    
    As the person in .64 was wondering......Can someone give me some
    help finding the silver pick on level 8?
    
    I have the gold pick, my characters are still at level one, and
    each of them has over 9,000 GPs.
    
    Should I visit Ambrosia?
    
    What to do....what to do!  Any and all help appreciated.
    
    Linda
    

    The silver pick is at the bottom of one of the dungeons.  I believe a
    previous note has a spoiler.
    
    If you want specific help or spoilers send mail to ODIXIE::WITMAN.
    

    

   < Can someone give me some help finding the silver pick on level 8?>
	
    *Deffinite spoiler on location of silver pick*	
    
     In the Death Cave, level 8 and **spoiler**
     in a room in the northwest corner...

     I'd go to Ambrosia and raise the levels of your characters.  Of course,
     you can't raise them all - you'll need many, many etc. more gold
     pieces to do that.  Be sure to get the flower in Ambrosia - and give
     them to Sherry in the Royal City - she'll give you something that's
     really good to have.  And you can go back and get this flower (for
     each member of your party) as often as needed)  There's more to
     going to Ambrosia than just raising your levels, so think about
     the clues the townspeople told you...

     Now, I have a question - when I was in Ambrosia I went to the Shrine of
     Dexterity (sp?) and couldn't find a priest!!  Shouldn't there be one
     here?  I need something from this shrine as well as making Cleric more
     dexterious (sp?).  Was this just a fluke, or is this something that
     I need to solve?

     This game is great.  Only problem is, there aren't enough hours in the 
     day/night for me to play this game and still get a decent nights sleep.
     Oh well, Zelda and Link were just as addicting and I managed to survive...

     All help will be appreciated...
     *D*   

    In reading note .77 I have a question . How does one give the flower
    I've been to the right person but couldnt give the flower. I also need
    help in finding the bribe command. I have all marks and have maxed 
    abilities but no bribe command and no silver horn. Any hints will be
    of great help.
    		Thanks in advance for any help.
    						Dwaine L
    Dneast::lachance_dwa

    responses to .-1  
    
    possible *spoilers*
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I wouldn't worry about the *bribe* command it's really not necessary to
    the solution.  There are rear entrances.
    
    
    If your talking to Sherry you should be able to *GIVE* her the flower.
    
    

	More info on the bribe command - *spoiler*
	you'll need to talk to a girl in a hospital in one of the cities -
	*spoiler*
	
	the city I'm talking about is Devil Guard.  As for the silver horn,
	you need to get the *pray* command and use it - it can be obtained
	in the city of *spoiler*
	Yew, have you found Yew?  
	If you need any more help, let me know and I'll try to answer
	your questions -
	
	*D*

	This is a p.s. to my previous note, re. the silver horn -
	once you get the *pray* command you will need to use this command
	in order to obtain the silver horn - one of the townfolk somewhere
	mentioned something about this pray command - you'll need the
	Mark of Fire in order to get this command, also...

		*D*

    i need to know where the mistic armor is.  any spoilers??  
    
    
    
     

    spoiler for mystic armor----
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    If you were to dig with a *gold pick* on an island.  If you haven't
    found the mystic weapon, it also is buried on an island but you'll need
    a different pick.
    

    Need spoiler for gold pick - in which guild shop should I look?
    
    ..........steve
    

>    Need spoiler for gold pick - in which guild shop should I look?
    
spoiler coming up!

   


You need to get into dawn and then steal something that doesnt really
belong to you.

- George

I have read through all the replies but can't determine how to get
the "PRAY" command. I've been to the 'circle of light' and I have
the 'mark of fire'. What else do I need to do?
Also, I have bought some horses but, can't use them because evidently
I need to get the 'horse' command. Where do I get this?

- George

P.S. I agree that this is a great game but, it requires too much
money collecting. I also love the humor that the creator(s) put in.
i.e. one character asks "Do you know who I am?" then replies..
"I created Ultima" and "believe it or not, I'm Richard Garrity".

    ref .-1 PRAY command
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Possible Spoiler to follow-------
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Before one can pray you must be instucted by a Holy Man.  Look
    somewhere north of the Circle of Light.
    

    re .85:
    
    Thanks - that's just what I suspected, so last night I spent lots of
    time trying to find Dawn, with no success.  Now I need another spoiler!
    In one town (Death Gulch?) I got the clue that (spoiler)
    
    "Dawn appears when two new moons", and another clue said that Dawn
    appears in the forest.  I guess that means the forest west of Montor
    West - is that right?  Well, I spent hundreds of foods waiting and
    checking each square of that forest, with no luck.  So, where is
    Dawn??  There? In which portion?
    
    Or maybe I just need help with interpreting the moons ... ?
    
    Thanks for the help.
    
    ..........steve
    

    Location of Dawn  *spoiler*
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Dawn is located in the forest south  of the castle.  Enter the forest
    and travel south until you get to the mountain range then go to your
    right to the edge of the mountain range.  Dawn will appear about three
    in the area about three sqaures north of the edge of the range.  I
    believe when two full moons are showing.
    
    Have fun.

re: .88 .89

I believe that the people lie about when DAWN appears. The town seems
to appear when there are NO moons showing, unless I am misinterpreting
the waxing and waning of the moons. Which could be the case because I am
having big trouble trying to get through this game.

- George

Re: .87

Reply to spoiler (which mentions the spoiler).


>   Before one can pray you must be instucted by a Holy Man.  Look
>    somewhere north of the Circle of Light.
    
I found the Holy men, one asked if i wanted to meditate or revive a
player the other told me to pray and I would hear the voice of truth.
Now I did just about everything I could think of but, alas, no success.
How does one meditate with the holy man? How can I pray without the PRAY
command? Yes, I even went as far as pausing at the HOLY man pretending to
meditate and then went to the Circle of Light and of course, "nothing!".

This is getting frustrating as all $@#%$##^

help....

I also found the hint about the hospital in the town of devils guard.
I couldn't find the hospital in that town. Maybe I have it wrong but,
I believe that Devils guard is the town where the guards expect to be
bribed.

- George

    ref. .-1
    
    If the Holy Man told you to PRAY then that option should now show in
    the second options window.
    
    I've loaned out the game so I can't confirm the moons but I do have a
    map that will remind me exactly where Dawn is.  I'll reply tomorrow.
    
    If you send me mail we can take this discussion there so we don't give
    away too many secrets.
    
    

    re: .89
    Thanks - got it! Don't know why it was missed the first time.
    
    re: .90
    The new moon IS when its dark -
    a full moon is when its light.
    
    ..........steve
    

>    re: .90
>    The new moon IS when its dark -
>    a full moon is when its light.
    
Well hot dang Steve! I guess its true that you learn something new everyday (-:

- George

P.S. I apologize to those townfolk who I accused of lieing.
    

    I JUST started this game last night.  After my very first battle
    or two, all of my characters are down to 35 - 50 hit points.  I
    never was a good fighter.
    
    Is there somewhere I can go to get my hit points back up to 150?
    How do I get my HP up?
    
    I die a LOT!!!
    
    Sandie

>    Is there somewhere I can go to get my hit points back up to 150?
>    How do I get my HP up?
    
>    I die a LOT!!!
    
Welcome to one of the best (IMO) games so far, it is frustrating at times 
however. To answer your question, YES there are places (fountains) that will
replenish your hit points. Caution thou, there are some that will take away 
hit points. If you have a "cleric" or "wizard" as a member of your party 
they will have "heal" power/magic which selectively restore hit points to
any member of the party. Also, if you accumulate enough GPs you can buy
"tents" at a guild shop which restores hit  points to all members of the
party.

- Good Luck
 george

    Can someone give me a hint on how to find the "horn" or "bugle".  I
    assume that it's not in a cave because it wasn't listed in an earlier
    note on caves and their treasures.  If its in one of the chests in the
    second row of some locations, how do you get to the chests?  I have a
    ship and have been to ambrosia.  I'm slowly obtaining more power.  I
    have all four marks as well.
    
    Hints are appreciated.
    
    Wayne Bentley
    

If you pray hard enough it will be given to you....

- George

     It is also important where your pray.
    
    Mich

    OK, OK
    
    I read through the replies more and I'm sure I must have the "pray"
    command now, so I can get the "horn".  Just to save me potential
    aggravation when I get home tonight...how do I get to the "second"
    command menu?  It must be simple, right?
    
    Wayne Bentley

Use 'select' & A button while first menu is displayed, I think. Its been awhile.

- george

    Just 'select' is good enough.  Use the 'A' button to pick the option
    off the second menu, as usual.
    
    - Chris

    
    I just (finally) got the game for the kids... for Christmas....
    
    As a beginner - what is the best choosing for charaters?
    
    (the furtherest I've got so far is "reading" the instructions....)
    
    thx
    Dan
    

    Best characters:
    
    I find it very handy to have 
    
    a) lots of clerical magic. Used to heal damaged people and to open
    treasure chests painlessly.
    b) projectile weapons.
    c) at least one "tank" to keep the unarmored mages and projectile slingers 
    from going hand to hand with nasty monsters
    d) a mage who can be upgraded to maximum magic points.  
    
    So, I'm currently running:
    
    An elf fighter.  This is my "tank".  He gets the heaviest armor I can
    afford (or find), and the biggest hand-to-hand weapon.
    
    A fuzzy mage.  After this guy is upgraded to maximum dex and maximum
    magic points, he's hell on wheels.  Don't get in his way, unless you're
    a couple of dragons.
    
    A bobbit cleric.  Maximum healing power, and lots of treasure-chest
    opening capability.
    
    A bobbit paladin.  Supplies supplemental healing power, opens chests,
    and also can handle any weapon, so she stands back and bangs opponents
    at range with the heaviest projectile weapon I can buy.
    
    I considered but rejected getting a thief.  Basically, they offer
    projectile power, but no magic.  Supposedly they can open chests
    without damage - but my limited experience with a member of this
    profession did not bear out this theory.  So I trashed the character
    and took the paladin.  She opens chests nicely using magic, she can
    wear armor, she helps heal people who would otherwise wait for poison
    to kill them, and she can use projectile weapons - although the low dex
    potential is a definite disadvantage.
    
    - Chris

    Don't know if there's a problem with the one I just bought or..
    maybe I'm doing something wrong...
    
    I'm not able to get past assigning the ability points when attempting
    to make my own team.  Per the instructions, once I've assigned the
    points, I'm supposed to hit button A.   I did and nothing happened - 
    I reset the game a bunch of times and got the same results.  Per
    the instructions, once button A is pushed, OK and cancel will appear on
    the screen - but nothing is happening.....
    
    Am I doing something wrong??
    
    thx
    Dan

    
    You guys are driving me crazy. I've been reading through all the 
    replies and I cannot figure out how you guys are succeeding.
    
    As a veteran Link and Zelda player I am amazed at my incapacity to 
    get anywhere!
    
    It seems I am always spending more money and time running off to 
    the hospital than I make by fighting and openining chests! I always 
    have a cleric and a wizard in my retinue. Please help!!!!!!!
    
    I have not made it more than an hour without my whole party dying!
    
    Barbara
    

    Re:-.1
    
    Do you have FOOD?  Without it your hit points decrease with each move. 
    You should not get poisoned opening chests with the CLERIC OPEN
    command.  BTW you can share food and swap gold with commands on the
    second command screen.  I agree that this games does take a different
    mindset than the Link adventures.  
    
    Hope this helps some.
    
    Wayne B.

    I also had a LOT of trouble starting this game.  Now, I have been
    all over the overworld but I CAN'T get the hang of the caves.  Why
    did they do it 3 dimensional.  I guess I'm just not a Spacial
    person.  I have GIVEN UP on Ultima.......unless someone can explain
    what the he!! I'm an looking at in the caves, and how I know where
    I'm going and where I have been..
    
    Sandie

    Need a spoiler.........
    
    I have horses - but I don't know how to 'command' them.......
    
    thx
    
    Dan

    Just get to the second screen....
    
    then use horse
    
    grizz

    The HORSE command is on the second menu screen.  Press 'A' to bring up
    the command menu, then press 'SELECT'.
    
    Of course, I have to add spoilers:
    
    Having trouble in the caves?  Would a map be helpful?
    
    Then use the gypsies gem, and have a pad of paper handy!
    
    Caves are difficult, even if you know where you are going.  You might
    want to smell the roses in Ambrosia, and go courting before you enter
    the caves in any serious fashion.
    
    Use wisdom when opening chests.  I mean this explicitly.  But if I
    haven't said it plainly enough, the OPEN spell is the ONLY way to make
    a profit.
    
    Well, enough for now.  Have fun!
    
    - Chris

      One of the hints I have read regarding this game suggested seeing
    the King only after the experience point level has reached 500. Does
    this apply for only one member of your party or all 4 members?  In
    other words, should I wait for all 4 members to get their experience
    points up to 500?  Will both HP and MP increase when I do this?  I 
    know that the enemies will get stronger after I see the King.  

       This is a very involving game.  Plenty of variables to keep you
   thinking and planning ahead.  So far I like it!  I think the doctor
   charges too much for his cures though. Hmmm. Just like in real life.
   ;^)

-rick
    

    ref .-1
    
    The recommendation should apply to all members of the *CURRENT* team. 
    The reasoning is that as the experience level goes up the difficulty of
    the opponents increases.  Prior to talking to the King you can defeat
    much easier opponents and increase your GP's much easier.  
    

    re:  .110
         thx for the info........  no problem now..
    
    Have the same question as -.2 concerning  MP.   Right now I seem to
    be locked on a maximum of 25...... and I realize there is alot of
    stuff that costs a heck of alot more.  Is it level dependent? or......
    If it's level dependent I've tried levels greater/= level 7 (one was
    an un-saved level 14) - and still didn't see MP increasing......
    
    thx 
    
    Dan
      

    Nope - it's not level dependent.  This isn't AD&D...
    
    - Chris
    
    Get rich first, then find the shrines.  
    
    Can't find the shrines?  Here's a hint:
    
    It will really make your head spin to get there!

    re: -.1
    
    
    I think I know what you mean.........    If it's via the water.....
    I really got slottered when I got there......  
    
    Dan

    HELP!!!!  How do I obtain the 'Mark of Fire' once I've found it?
    I located the Mark but couldn't seem to get it without damage.
    Do I have to use a special command?  How do I know if I've gotten it?
    
    SPOILERS WELCOME!!!
    
    -BW-
    

>    HELP!!!!  How do I obtain the 'Mark of Fire' once I've found it?
>    I located the Mark but couldn't seem to get it without damage.
>    Do I have to use a special command?  How do I know if I've gotten it?
    
You can't get it without damage! it costs 50 whatevers for each member that
obtains it. This is true for each of the four marks. You can check to see
which members have the marks via the status screen.

- George    

    re:118
    
    Thanks, George.  I'll check the characters' status when I get home
    tonight.  Hopefully, I saved the game at the right point and will be
    able to see if I got the 'mark' as planned.  If not, I'll have to go
    thru the whole gruelling ordeal again!  Oh well...(heavy sigh)...
    that's what Nintendo's all about...
    
    Regards,
      BW
    

	I have been 'working' on ULTIMA for a little over a week and just went
    through this topic today.  I have a number of suggestions to new players,
    some of them have been confirmed by other notes in this topic.  For those
    that want no help what-so-ever I will throw in a <FF> before the discussion
    but if you didn't want any help, what'ch doing reading this in the first 
    place?

	The one item that was not clear from the instruction book was how to
    get to the second command screen.  I think Left/Right on the pad would have
    been much more logical than SELECT, but I only play the game.  In general,
    go poking buttons until you find out what works where.



	First, you have space for 20 characters in each 'file'.  USE THEM.  I
    even when to far as creating a set of characters I call the Swiss accounts.
    They are characters with digits for names.  I used human rangers with
    S=0, D=10, I=20, W=20.  None of them are ever going to talk to the king.
    Their job is to collect money and provide a monotonous repetitive activity
    to take my mind off other problems.  They only have had one battle above 
    ground where any of them took any hits at all!  Very boring but very 
    profitable.  

	They also make wonderful repositories for supplies like powders and 
    gems and tents and everything else you want to have on hand.  If you have
    a dead'un you are about to discard, let the Swiss strip him/her first.  
    (That reminds me - a corpse is a good place to stash supplies. I haven't run
    into any limit on supplies yet, but there probably is one.)  It is 
    inconvenient having to transfer one torch or whatever at a time, but that is
    just about the same as transferring the money, going to the shops and buying
    one item at a time.  Transfers involve getting a party together containing
    the character making the deposit or withdrawal and the appropriate account.
    Once the party is formed and activated, do the transfers right there in the
    inn and save the results.

	If you want to get real low, create a character, strip him/her and 
    discard the hulk.  You could even feed the Swiss this way if you keep them
    starved enough.  I think it is easier to get rich by wandering around and
    casting a few spells.  Think of it as army patrols or police walking a beat.



Notes on previous notes -

	You don't need the king mark to get a ship.  A single 5th level 
    character is enough to attract pirates.  It may be that they will show up
    for lower levels than that;  I didn't keep that close track.

Dishonest guards -

	The brown guards are honest.  They disappear when you pay them to.  The
    blue guards are less honest.  They will accept your gratuity with thanks
    and do nothing.

Fights -

	The further off you can kill an enemy, the better - buy and use a 
    blowgun.  Magic is also very useful at low levels.  A limited multi-magic 
    character like a ranger, is better than a full function single magic 
    character like a wizard at low levels.  If you get into a fight where the 
    characters inherent magic is not enough, like a fight with the guards or 
    below ground, it helps if you have a generous supply of powder.  It is
    hardly chivalrous, but it works!

Dexterity -

	I have not played with enough different characters yet, but dexterity
    may have an impact on how often you miss, either in magic or in a fight.

Maps -

	Trying to get the game to hold still long enough to draw an accurate
    map is well nigh impossible.  If you have a VCR, record the game and go
    back over the tape after the session.  You will get much better results
    for much less aggravation.

    1)	Is it possible to change weapons while on the battle board?

    2)	Wizards have a comment in the documentation about dexterity.  Has any
    body figured out what it means?  What is the implication about not having
    any dexterity in the comments on some of the other character types?

    3)  Is there any way to get on/over the counters?

    4)	Has anybody else noticed that you can sometimes see through closed
    doors or walls if you get at just the right angle to the end of a wall
    or doorway?  Do you occasionally see people/things moving in the dark?

      What is good about this game is that there are numerous strategies
    that are available to move ahead in the game.  I'll put mine behind
    the formfeed as it is very different from .120's .



      I have used just one party which consists of 2 Dwarf Rangers
    that occupy the first two positions, a Fuzzy Wizard, and bringing
    up the rear, a Dwarf Paladin.  With this combination I have two
    strong characters for battle on the front lines which I can arm
    to the teeth and coat with the strongest armour. The Rangers also
    have both cleric and wizard spells.  The Wizard provides me with
    all the nice spells I need to navigate the caves and the Paladin
    is not only strong in battle but can open all the treasure chests
    without worrying about the booby traps.  Nobody gets poisoned or
    damaged and the character gathering the money is in the rear where
    there is little fear of enemies robbing her.

      I also use the save feature extensively.  If I tire of fighting
    the battles to gather gold, I'll save my position, and send my 
    party out to investigate new things like caves, Ambrosia, or test
    out the new enemies.  I don't worry about the characters perishing
    with these forays, since I'll reset anyway and go back to where
    the game was saved.  The advantage with this strategy is, that I
    can find out what I'll need for weapons, tools etc. in order to
    proceed to the next stage without losing anything or anybody. 
    Reviving a dead party member can be expensive and I want to keep
    the gold gathering fights to a minimum.  

      I've only been playing for a week and have been able to get the
    Mark of Fire and powered all characters to level 5. I noticed that
    some of the weaker enemies can still be found for some easy gold
    gathering and with the hit points jacked up to 550 for all characters,
    even the tougher enemies can be be beaten.  The Paladin also has the
    heal spell which I use quite a bit.  There may be a point in time
    where I'll have to use a different character but until then, I'm 
    going to stick to my original four.

       Some of the complaints I have about the game are concerning the
    fights.  There is no way to switch weapons during a battle. The gold
    rewarded after a fight is purely random.  I feel the gold value should
    somehow be related to the number of enemies and strength of the enemies
    you defeat, like Dragon Warrior does.  And you can't run away from
    a fight like you can in Dragon Warrior.  But overall, Ultima is a great
    game and I'm enjoying it.

-rick
    

    re: -.1
    
    How do you save the game at the "position" your at?
    
    I thought you could only "save' at the available Inns.....
    
    
    thx
    Dan

    
    Dan,
    
       Yup, that's where I've been saving.  Because the Ultima map is
    not that extensive, you are always fairly close to the inn to go
    in and save.
    
    -rick

    
    re: -.1
    
    Thanks - thats what I thought..........   A question..... Are there
    more than two Inns?  
    
    thx
    Dan

	I have found three inns so far.  LBs, Dawn, Ambrosia.  Don't ask me
    how I got to Ambrosia; I should NOT have been there with the Swiss and
    got trounced but good!

	How do I get the altar in Exodus' lair and how do I put the 
	cards on it??

	I explored a bit and that floor is WILD!!  You can't see what
	it is you're fighting but it sure hits hard!!!  I lost my Cleric
	(luckily I'd saved the game prior to going to Exodus) but
	these questions are running through my mind tonight as I try to
	figure a new approach for tomorrow nights quest...
	
	I'd appreciate any and all help and advice and whatever else
	anyone may want to throw my way.  That first question should
	read "how do I get to the altar in Exodus' lair and how do I
	put the cards on it once I reach it???

	Thanks, 

	*D*

    How do you tip the bartender or bribe a guard?  If I select gold, it
    only allows me to transfer among the player characters.
    
    -Brian

    re: .-1
    
    If you don't think 10 gold is a good tip for a drink, you must find it
    fairly expensive to get plastered!  Keep drinking - the bartenders know
    you're taking care of them.
    
    Bribing guards requires the bribe command.  I'll have to admit that I
    don't know how I got that one - something I did turned it on, but I'm
    not sure what.  

	Re: .-2
	To get the bribe command you must talk to someone.  If you want to	
	know more, *spoiler * follows form feed:
	You must go to the city of Devil Guard, which is accessable
	only through the moon gates, and talk to, *spoiler*
	the girl at the hospital who does not move around at all.  After
	talking to her, look at the command list and you'll see that
	*bribe* has been added.

	*D*

	
	I have found what I suspect to be where the altar is, but I
	have NO idea how to place the cards on it.  I am aware that they
	must placed in a certain order, but the question that kept me up
	till the wee hours of the morning is HOW do you place the cards
	on the altar??  What command do you use??  Did I make a big
	boo-boo when I got each card for each party member?  Should I
	have gotten 1 card for 1 party member and then put the party
	in the order that the cards are supposed to be placed on the
	altar and THEN once in the correct place, something magical
	happens.  I hope someone replies real soon as my sanity and
	my families depends on my finishing this game.  I'm sooooooo
	close that I can taste it...

	Any and all help, spoilers, hints more than welcome!
	*D*

    Spoiler to follow.
    
    
    
    To place the cards on the altar you must defeat the *FLOOR* then move
    one square forward.  You will be intructed to place the cards on the
    altar and given the oppourtunity to select the order.  I don't believe
    all characters have to have the cards but I haven't tested this theory. 
    When I *SEALED* EXODUS each of my characters had the cards.
    
    I still like this game.

Re .122:

	I have not used the entire strategy I outlined yet, but what I have 
    used has been very successful.

	I enjoy finding the effects of the character system almost as much fun
    as actually running the characters.


	I only use two parties so far.  The first consists of two rangers, a
    wizard and a paladin.  The second party is all rangers and form the Swiss
    account.  They have collected a very impressive number of experience points.
    Two are well over 7000, has the mark of the king but is still 1st level.
    The mark of the king is only useful/effective if you are going to talk to 
    the king.

	A further refinement - If you bring in a new character, send him/her
    out with the foraging party and let him/her do most of the killing.  This
    boosts his/her experience points quickly to the point where he/she can 
    safely join the main party.

	When building a new character, don't be afraid to leave some of the
    attributes at zero, but make sure that any disbursements are effective.
    For example, you could build a ranger S=0, D=0, I=25, W=25 but that only
    gives you 12 MMP.  You get new spells at 10 and 15 MP so the extra 2 MP
    is wasted until you can buy more I & W.  That leaves 10 points to spread
    between S & D.  I stuck them in D to see if it reduced the MISSED rate but
    they might have been more effective in S where they increase the damage in
    hand to hand combat.  Since I avoid close order combat as much as possible,
    I haven't noticed the effect very much.

    Re: -.2
    
    Concerning the laying of cards at the alter...
    
    What do you do when you get to an alter?
    If you want a more direct hint, continue...
    
    PRAY at the edge of the water facing the north, don't choose the wrong
    card though or suffer the major consequences.
    
    Wayne B.

	Tonight, I defeated Exodus!!  I had two (count 'em) members of my
	party left when I did so.  I want to offer my thanks and gratitude
	to all of those who gave help to me when I needed it.  Now, it's
	on to Faxanadu.  If I could only find the second fountain...
	Oh, well that's another notes conference.  Thanks once again for 
	all the help that everyone gave to me.

	*D*

    
    	Reading through the replies, I came to the conclusion that this
    game is sort of like Bard's Tale (a computer game) or Dungeons and
    Dragons. So, could any of you tell me if it's like either of these
    games or not, because my local video store doesn't have it.
    
    
    	thanks,
    
    		Ad

    I've played Bards Tale III and would say the similarities are generic.
    I.E. Classes of characters that use *POWERS* to defeat enemies.  Ultima
    seems easier to play.  Bards Tale is more complex.  I finished Ultima
    (after a couple months of play), I quit playing Bards Tale after one
    evening.  I might pick it up again but doubt I'll ever play it to
    solution.
    
    My *GAME* philosophy is that games have to be challenging enough to
    hold your interest, difficult enough to make you keep *trying* but not
    so difficult that you *give-up*.
    
    When I get my ULTIMA cartriage back (it's been on lone to a friend of
    my sons) I'll probably play it again.

       Have been playing this game for a few weeks now and am almost done, 
     and have to say it is a good one.  Dragon Warrior did a few things 
     better, especially with the experience levels/points and fight scenes, 
     but Ultima has a lot of nice surprises and touches that have kept me 
     interested. The 3D dungeon scenes were a change of pace, the destroy and 
     death spells are fun, and keeping up with all the attributes of the 4 
     characters in your party is a challenge. I started out with 4 characters
     and have only had to replace one of them so far.

       I'd rate it a solid 8.5-9.0  with Legend of Zelda again being the 
     one to match at a 10.  

-rick

Mild gold gathering hint behind the <ff>

       There have been some complaints about the building up of gold being
     tedious and time-consuming.  Well, once you reach level 5 and are able
     to go for a boat ride, getting "rich" isn't that hard to do and is 
     reasonably quick.  There exists a cache of treasure chests in one of
     the towns, that if you have a character that has the "open" spell,
     you can get 1500-2000 gold each and every time.  Make sure at least one 
     of your party has the compass heart to get you back to the King's castle 
     in case you get in a fight scene with the guards. I mix this technique
     with fighting enemies and trips to Ambrosia so the game doesn't get too
     tedious.  Don't hang out at level 1 for too long, getting gold
     by battling Orcs,Goblins,Skeletons and Ghouls ! The game will bore
     you to tears. Be adventurous and Ultima will reward you.
    

    O.K., O.K.  I'm giving this game another try.
    
    Even though I've raised the level of my characters, I still have a way
    to go.  However..................I still have been unable to get the
    silver pick.  I'll explain what I've been doing after a formfeed.
    
    
    
    Upon arrival on level 8 (using Descend magic) I travelled to the NW
    corner.  I found the Mark of the King, but nothing else.  I used *GET*
    after each step.  What am I doing wrong?  Major spoilers -- PLEASE!
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    Linda

    
    A week ago I finished............ (via all the help I received...).
    
    One thing....   My team was all level 14-ers.  Was wondering what the
    average team level is used for the finish and..... what the lowest has
    been.
    
    thx
    
    Dan
    

    So tell me.......Does this game get your heart pounding like in LINK?
    You know....like when you have very little life power left and if you 
    hit the enemy one more time he dies, but if you get hit you die! Is it
    worth the money? I really did not like Dragon Warrior, how does it
    compare?
    
    SLAM
    
    

    If you didn't like Dragon Warrior you probably won't like
    Ultima.  I liked Dragon Warrior a little bit more myself.
    
    In ultima you always recieve the same reward even with harder
    type enemies as opposed to DW.  You also spend a little to much
    time fighting and going up and down dungeons to collect money.
    
    greg

    I didn't like Dragon Warrior but I LOVE Ultima.  I loaned it out but
    can't wait till I get it back to play some more.
    
    
    (mumble mumble)  If only I could beat my daughter at TETRIS.

    I purchased Ultima a few nights ago and, having logged about an
    hour so far, confess its a hard one for me. Dragon Warrior I found
    easier and won that game in 8 days. I could use a mentor, either
    someone who has been to Exodus or someone involved in the game now
    but ahead of my starting point. I would like to establish an ongoing
    mail connection at least until I can "see through the woods".
    
    Any takers?   Reply CSS::JAFFE
    
    Gracias   Joel

Somebody mentioned a heart compass? what is this thing,
where might one find it (clues please, no spoilers)
and what does it do? 

Also, I've managed to go through the vortex (whirlpool
at sea) and poke around there (useful if you have
money, less so if not). question is how do I get
back from there (never seen a moon gate or a whirlpool)
I usually have the same problem with the moon gates, 
I go through but I don't return. Maybe I don't live
long enough for the moons to get to the correct 
phase again?

			Thanks,
			Keith

    re: .-1
    
    The heart compass always orients one towards the greatest love in the
    game.  (or self-love, anyway.)
    
    Flowers can help you obtain the heart compass.
    
    You have not explored Ambrosia very well.  Stop and look around a bit
    before you charge out across the countryside, however.  You might find
    that you have missed a very important clue.
    
    If worst comes to worst, draw a map of Ambrosia.  Leave no stone
    unturned.

One thing, where/what is ambrosia? Probably a
city/town but I don't remember one by that name,
Also I haven't run into Devil Guard though
allegedly this is where the information about 
bribing comes from. I have opened a door near
the king (and come to think of it I don't 
now the name of that, though it's neighbor is 
the Royal City)and found a gypsy. I've been wandering 
about, have a ship and have been trying to get the mark of
Kings (had it once, but was to weak and out of magic
and got clobbered on the way out, now I can't find
the thing again (wasn't mapping that time, it was early
in the game and pure dumb luck)). It is an interesting 
game, but I just don't have the pure time it takes of
late so I haven't used it much since christmas.

				Thanks,
				Keith

    RE: Ambrosia
    
    From your comments so far, I know you've been there.  Take your time,
    and talk to people that you see standing around in the open.  
    
    If you still don't know what I mean, talk to the monk at the other end
    of the whirlpool.

    I've been playing Ultima for a few weeks now and I think it's great! 
    One thing I need help with, though, after <FF> ...
    
    I need a hint about where the Shrine of Strength is, and how to get
    there.  I've found all the other Shrines, so those can be used as
    reference points.  Appreciate any "pointers"!   Thanks!
    

    Ultima is a primarily a mapping adventure, you know.  Perhaps you
    should draw one.
    
    - Chris
    
    
    
    But since you've decided to peek:
    
    
    
    It's south of the lake in the north part of Ambrosia.  You'll have to
    travel a long way west and south through narrow mountain passes before
    you find it.  (And there's a false trail or two, as well.)
    

    Re .150
    
    Thanks for the directions!  I did draw a map but I must have made
    a mistake because I did not find the shrine in the area you
    mentioned.  Actually I couldn't find the Shrine of Dexterity either
    until I did complete my map.
    

Ok, I've beat myself to death with this one...

Where, EXACTLY, is Dawn?  Can anybody help?  I've
tried the suggestions here, even contacted some of
the contributors off-line, but still can't find the
place!

THanks!
\john

    I can't give you the precise location until I go home and consult my
    map, but I may be able to steer you in the right direction.  Try this
    ...
    
    Start in West Montor (you know where that is, right?  JIC it's SSW of
    LB Castle).  Head west until you come to the eastern edge of a mountain
    range.  Find the northeastern-most block.  That's the general area. 
    Want more?  
    
    Dawn will appear when both moons are new, four squares north of that block.

re: .-1 (MFGMEM::BENOIT)

Thanks!!!  You were RIGHT on target.

\john

    Well, I finally sealed Exodus last night.  I was disappointed with the
    ending, but all in all I thought this was a good game!  I'd be happy to
    help anyone who needs assistance.
    
    Back to Legacy of the Wizard and The Guardian Legend.  Seems like I've
    been working on those games forever!
    
    Mary
    

    re: .155
    
    Congrats!  I might be able to help on Legacy.
    
    I could use some technical help, no spoilers needed.
    
    Every other adventure/rpg game I have played provided a method
    of renewing hit points.  I haven't figured out how to do this.
    (I don't have an instruction book, bought the game used)
    I just started last night, and have already died several times,
    which is discouraging.
    
    Is there a way to renew hit points when they get low?
    
    Joel
    

    
    There are 4 different ways to renew hit points after the form-feed.
    
    1) Just walking around (as long as no one is poisoned AND you have
       food) will restore hit points very slowly.
    
    2) If you have someone in your party with cleric magic, the spell HEAL
       will restore a random amount of hit points one player at a time. 
       You use HEAL, walk around some more to restore MP then HEAL again.
    
    3) Tents can be purchased at the guild shops for 100 GPs.  I believe
       these will restore 100 HPs for each player.
    
    4) The best way to renew HPs that I found was to find a "delicious"
       fountain in the caves.  Fountain spoiler follows form-feed.
    
    The easiest-to-reach delicious fountain is in the cave of Death (N of
    LB Castle), 3rd level, SE corner.  Caves are difficult though.  Arm
    yourself before entering.
    
    Hope this helps you!
    Mary
    

    [spoiler advice on collecting gold]
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I've been following the advice or earlier notes about getting
    a group for the sole purpose of collecting gold, and then transferring
    the gold to your main party.  It is excellent advice!
    
    My own opinion on the makeup of the party you use is: get two
    wizards and two clerics.  If you keep the party at level one,
    the only monsters you will meet are monsters that can be 
    defeated by either repel or undead magic.  I pick up thousands
    of gold pieces in a farily short time this way.  I also use
    the party to perform chores that require cross-country travel,
    including buy items from the guild shops.
    
    It works great for me!
    
    [spoiler question]
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I found my instruction book.  The book lists spells (magic and
    willpower systems) that I do not have.  I have a cleric and
    a wizard in my party (both chosen by the race most efficient
    for those occupations) and have raised their intelligence and
    their wisdom levels to the max.
    
    I still don't have the maximum spells, though, and I'm wondering
    what you need to do to get those killer spells.  Do you have to
    raise strenght and/or dexterity as well?  Or find some item?
    
    I'm at level 25 with all characters, compass heart, silver horn.
    Would appreciate advice on how to get the toughest spells.
    
    Joel
    

    
    Joel,
    
       Did you push the B button (I believe) to see the second screen of
     spells?
    
    Rick

    re: .159
    
    Good grief!  Is it that easy?  I've been running around for umpteen
    hours - have raised and spent about 40,000 gold - and after I got
    the `99' magic power it was that easy?
    
    My friend, you don't know how much time you've saved me.  When
    you're in the Seattle area, stop by to pick up the lunch I
    know owe you!  :-)
    
    Joel
    

>SANFAN::GRANT_JO "Don't Say 'Shank'"                 12 lines  30-JUN-1990 13:24
    
>    My friend, you don't know how much time you've saved me.  When
>    you're in the Seattle area, stop by to pick up the lunch I
>    know owe you!  :-)
    
        How about a round of golf instead? And I won't say Sh*nk!  ;^)
    
    -rick    
    

    It's a deal.
    
    You may not say it, but you'll see it!
    
    Joel
    

    A tip I'd like to add on healing and regaining MP
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Press the "B" button when Outside or
    Press the right or left pad when in the dungeon.
    
    This will renew your HP and MP without worrying about monsters. I use
    the later in caves so I can use the high level spells or to open
    chests.
    
    

How do you get the ship out of the castle? My son seems to be stuck on this 
part of the game and was hoping for help. This game looks like alot of fun, 
but between my son and wife I can't get near the thing. any help would be
appreciated.

Thanks,
Earl

    RE: .164
    
    You mean the one that sails around the castle?  No spoiler
    this: it stays in the moat.  Just have him talk to the
    people he would otherwise be unable to talk with, get
    back on land, and stroll away!
    
    Joel
    

Thanks, you made his day.

Earl

    Here is a good party combo (with starting attributes):
    		|Fight|Dexte|Intel|Wisdo|
    DwarfPaladin|  20 |  15 |     |  15 |
    HumanRanger |  15 |  15 |  10 |  10 |
    BobitCleric |  10 |  15 |     |  25 |
    FuzzyWizard |  05 |  20 |  25 |     |
    
    Benjamin

    I searched the 8th floor from the Cave of Death, but cannot find the
    silver pick.  Where is it?!
    
    Benjamin

    Au contraire.  Nintendo's Ultima: Exodus is a spin-off from the Ultima
    III game.  The Ultima I and II from the complete series are rather
    limited games, and I guess Lord British didn't think they would have
    enough commercial appeal on NES.  
    
    I'm sorry, but I don't recall where the silver pick is.  
    
    - Chris

    Hi,
    
    	If I remember right, the silver pick is inside a treasure chest
    somewhere in the bottom left part of the dungeon.
    
    						Damon
    

I have forgotten where the mystic armor is, and it is driving my brother insane.
I put what I remembered behind the formfeed, can someone clear up the remain
details?

I remembered that 
	- I needed the gold pick (or silver, one was the sword, other the armor)
	- I entered a town that was deserted
	- there were clues about it being near a shop, buried by a tree
	- I found it in something like an alleyway between two buildings
	  with a monster guarding it, near a tree symbol.

My brother cannot find the town, and has me wondering if I am confusing hints
between dragon warrior and ultima.

All I have found from the notesfile was that the armor is on a island.

Can anyone identify exactly where the armor is.  This issue has hung my brother
up for weeks now, and I want him to finish so I can sell the cartridge :)

thanks,
ed

    You are confusing Ultima and Dragon Warrior.
    
    
    The mystic armor in Ultima is on one of the small, two square islands. 
    Find the right island, dig with the right implement, and you'll feel
    much safer soon.
    
    - Chris

    re: .-3:  Thanks.  Yesterday I found the pick and got the MYSTIC SWORD
    at the place specified in .-1 as the location for the Mystic ARMOR. 
    Does anyone know where the Mystic Armor is?
    Also, does anyone know an easy way to get to a Mark of Fire and a Mark
    of Force?
    Furthermore, does anyone know directions to the Mark of Snake?
    
    Thanx
    Benjamin

    
    
    
    What do inn's look like? I am right at the start and trying to build
    experience? Where is there one near Lord B's castle? or are they in the
    castle or towns and I'm just confused?
    
    tom
    

    There is an inn in Lord British's castle (the first left turn after you
    pass through the gates).  There is also one in the village of Dawn, but
    you probably won't get there for a while.
    
    Benjamin

    The actual name of the Nintendo game is Ultima Exodus, the sequel is
    named Ultima Quest of the Avatar.

    You are wrong on the name. You must have missed it on the box. It says
    right above the ULTIMA part, Exodus.

    How do you get the pray command, the bribe command, the silver horn,
    and iron swords?
    

    Spoiler:
    The pray command can be found by talking to a priest in the village of
    Yew.  Praying in an area south of where you receive the pray command
    (but still in Yew) gives you the silver horn.  Talk to a girl in Devil
    Guard (accessable only via the Moongates) to get the bribe command. 
    Any weapon as strong or stonger  than a Hand Axe (including the Iron
    Sword) will only be found at Dawn's weapon shop.  The village of Dawn
    may be found 7 west and 36 south of Castle Brittania when both moons
    are new.
    
    Benjamin

    
    I've wandered around a bit in a couple of caves. I'm not ready to take
    them on yet. I haven't seen any names on them but they are mentioned in
    here. Am I missing something?
    
    

    Moderator: redirect if appropriate....
    
    I just purchased a new RPG for the GAME BOY, Ultima ???. Its a takeoff
    on the NES AVATAR game. Seems LORD BRITTISH has lost the symbols of
    avatarhood and needs a champion to find them. You get to select 1 of 4
    types of characters, mage, ranger, bowman, fighter. The map of the
    world is similar to AVATAR. Game is battery backed up.
    
    I have a coast to coast flight this weekend and this is the inflight
    entertainment. Ill post an update and opinion next week.
    
    Joel

    
    WOW ! That's great ! More info's, please....
    
    Markus_happy :-)
    

    
    Yeah ! ULTIMA is great ! I bought it on Thurstay !
    But now i have a problem :
    
    I've found the wand of fireballs but i can't get it.
    I see the key to get into the room but i can't reach it..
    
    Who can help me...
    
    Markus_ULTIMAholic
    

    I don't recall any wand of fireballs in Ultima Exodus.  There may be
    one in Ultima Avatar, but there's a separate note for that.

    
    Sorry, i forgot to say, this is a GAMEBOY-version.
    It is not Ultima Exodus, it's
    
    		ULTIMA Runes of virtue
    
    and it's a very great game. :-)
    Btw. i got the "Wand of fireballs" by another way..
    
    Markus
    

    Markus,
    	
    	I have been playing the Ultima series for years, mostly on an Amiga
     	system.
    
    	I have been considering purchasing ULTIMA for GAMEBOY, but I have
    	been unsure of it's playability on such a limitted medium.
    
    	Could you comment on the quality of the graphics and the game in
    	general?
    
    	A review would be great if you have the time.
    
    thanks,
    
    Paul
    

               
    ULTIMA "Runes of virue" for the GAMEBOY is great !
    
    The graphics are like ULTIMA V (Birdseye 2D with smoooth scrolling).
    You must find 8 runes to defeat the black knight who has stolen them.
    He has hide them in 8 dungeons which has a lot of monsters, skeletons
    and other nice features :-) 
    In the dungeons you can find better weapons, armors, gold, food or
    potions to build up your "equipment".
    In "Britannia" ;-) are a lot of shops where you can buy the same
    things. But you can't buy magic armors or magic weapons :-)
    Many persons give you tips where you can find better weapons or
    which way the best to find the rune (in the dungeon).
    Your party is only one person but to the beginning of the game you
    can selected between four persons with different qualitys.
    
    The game s a 1meg game with battery backup. That mean you can switch 
    off your GAMEBOY where ever you want. If you turn on your GAMEBOY 
    you are at the same place where you switched off you machine. 
    You don't need the SAVE-Button or something else..
    
    How i said : I like the game very, very much !!!!
    
    Markus
    
    P.S Creative Direktor is Richard Garriott !!
    

    Thanks Markus!  That's what I wanted to hear.
    
    Will be picking this up this weekend.
    
    Any hints or spoilors to get started would be great!
    
    thanks again,
    Paul

    
    
    I need a bit better clue to find the flower. I have been wandering
    around Ambrosia. I found 2 shrines and the pirates so I could return
    home. No flower. Help!!
    
    

    Spoiler:
    When you reach Ambrosia, follow the mountain range north on the west
    side when there is a break is the range with no woods, keep heading
    north.  When the range resumes, continue to follow it north, the west
    into the forest, then south.  There, you will find the flower.  Give
    the flower to Sherry in Royal City.  She'll give you the Compass Heart.
    
    Benjamin       

    Re. .189
    
    Hi Paul !
    I forgot to say that the conversation is like ULTIMA III !
    You go to a person and the person say you something. You CAN'T
    talk to the person like ULTIMA IV,V,etc. That means, you can't
    ask questions !
    I think, that's the price you must pay to play ULTIMA on an GAMEBOY !
    But..
    
    			I LOVE THE GAME !!!
    
    
    Markus_who_found_5_runes_till_today
    

    Hi Markus,
    
    	This game is very fun to play!  It carries the flavor of other
    Ultimas ver well.
    	
    	So far I have found three runes, the fireball wnad, and the fife.
    
    What is your best magic item?
    
    Paul
    

    
    Hi Paul !
    My favourit magic (at this time) is the "Lightning Amulet".
    It kills the "Black Knight" in front of the dungeon "Pride".
    
    Now i have 7 runes and another problem :
    I can't reach the "Isle of Avatar". One person said, the entrance
    is "beneath the sea". A tunnel would lead to the island.
    But I don't find any entrance. Now i am back in the dungeon
    PRIDE to find the magic sword.
    Maybe i need this weapon to go to the isle.
    
    If not, who has a hint for me...
    
    Markus_the_"Ultima"_warrior
                                 

    
    It's done !
    
    Today i finished 
    
    		"ULTIMA  Runes of virtue"  (GameBoy)
    
    If anyone have some question, please ask...
    
    Markus_with_eight_runes
    

    
    I'm ready to tackle exodus (I think) except for one minor problem. I
    haven't got the cards. Where are they? I thought I have been everywhere
    but I must be missing something.
    
    

    
    
    ARRRRRGHHHHHH!!!! I can't find the altar!! Is it invisible in the big
    picture and you have to walk over it or what??
    
    
    tom
    

    Looking for some help in locating the following:
    
    Circle of Light to get the pray command
    
    Where exactly DAWN is? ive tried with the instructions in previous
    notes, but to no avail... I find a Swirl that appears south east of
    LB's castle when it is a full moon, but all it does continually
    is bring you back to that exact spot..it does not transfer you to
    anywhere? 
    if I go south from LB castle and then west to the mountain range
    i find no swirl to transport to Dawn?
    
    any help would be appreciated it... 

    
    
    You're in the right area. There is no moon gate (swirl) to transport
    you. After you go wet to the mountains, go due north 3 or for spaces
    and it just appears when both moons are full.
    
    tom
    

    ok thanks I finally found dawn and yew and got the "pray" command...
    but havnt got a clue as to where this circle of light is?????
    need help getting the silver horn? thanks for Dawn info
    
                         bob