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Title:Mathematics at DEC
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Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
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2024.0. "Polygon names" by IOSG::BURTON (Builders do it ..... someday) Tue Jan 16 1996 16:06

    
    Can anyone please tell me the names of 11-sided and 20-sided polygons. 
    (as in Pentagon, Hexagon, Heptagon, Octogon etc.)
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    Martin.
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2024.1An answer and a guessCHEFS::STRANGEWAYSAndy Strangeways@REO DTN 830-3216Wed Jan 17 1996 07:405
    11 sides is an enneagon. I don't know a word for a 20-gon, but I guess
    icosagon by analogy with icosahedron. Eikosi is Greek for twenty, at
    any rate.
    
    Andy.
2024.2ThanksIOSG::BURTONBuilders do it ..... somedayThu Jan 18 1996 02:523
    Thanks Andy.
    
    Martin.
2024.3but what about enneagram that seems to be about NINE, not ELEVEN ?HANNAH::OSMANsee HANNAH::IGLOO$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240Thu Jan 18 1996 09:5527
I'm a bit confused.  You suggested enneagon for ELEVEN-sided frob, but
here's another usage of the "ennea" prefix that seems to refer to NINE.

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and Work

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different personality types and their relationships, are
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Publisher: HarperCollins
An order for this book can be placed <a
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              Entered May 26/95 by Les Stockley
                 [email protected]
2024.4WIBBIN::NOYCEEV5 issues 4 instructions per meterFri Jan 19 1996 17:156
Greek numbers... Something like (phonetically, modern pronunciation):

Enna, Thio, Tria, Tessera, Pende, Exi, Ekta, Okta, Ennea, Deka, Endeka, Dodeka
  1     2     3      4       5     6     7     8     9     10     11      12

Perhaps an Endecagon?
2024.5"hendecagon" -- from http://forum.swarthmore.edu/dr.math/problems/naming.polygons.htmlEVMS::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireMon Jan 22 1996 09:11247
   From:       "John Conway" <[email protected]>
   Subject:    Re: 11-gon
   Date:       Mon, 24 Oct 94 20:10:39 EDT

   I have obviously missed an interesting discussion on names for polygons!

   Anyway, I'll throw in what I know, since such things have always interested me.

      1) For the "numerical" part of the name, one should use the Greek
   prefixes:

       mono, di, tri, tetra, penta, hexa, hepta, octa, ennea,

        deca, hendeca, dodeca, trideca, etc, icosa, triaconta, hecta ..

         10      11      12      13            20       30      100

   A 24-gon would thus officially be an icositetragon.

       There are variations in spelling and formation

        (eg   dekagon, endecagon, triskaidecagon,...)

   (the "kai" here means "and")

      The "gon" has an interesting etymology : it is ultimately
   derived from the Greek word "gonu" for "knee", which they
   transferred to "angle".

      This word goes straight back to the Indo-European, and is
   essentially the same in lots of languages:

                       gonu    (greek)
                       genu    (latin)
                       k nee   (english)

   French is similar to Latin here, and German to English  (except
   that the "K" is still pronounced.

      3)  The "hedron" in "polyhedron" is also an Indo-European
   word, meaning "seat".  A "cathedral" church is one that contains
   a seat from which a bishop hands down authoritative opinions
   (cata = down,  hedron = seat).

       In accordance with Grimm's law, the "h" is  Greek
   correesponds to "s" in English, while "d" may soften to "t"
   and "p" or "b" to  "f" or "v".  So look:

              penta
              five       hexa
                         six       hepta
                                   seven      hedr
                                              seat    ped
                                                     foot

      4)  In summary, a "polygon" is a thing with many knees,
         and a "polyhedron" a thing with many seats.

      I mentioned "ped" because it happens in that curious
   word "parallelepiped", which should really be pronounced
    parallel-epi-ped.  Until about the middle of the 19th century
   this word was even longer - "parallelepipedon".  It splits
   into parts thus

               para - allele - epi - ped - on

              beside   other  upon    ground

   (memo - "pedon", meaning the ground, is what you put your foot on)

   Two things are "parallel" if one is beside the other - this was
   already used as a single word very early on.  What the name
   means is that there's always a face that's parallel to the one
   upon the ground.

      The term "allele" in modern biological use, is one of the
   "alternatives" that goes in a certain place along a chromosome.

        5)  The word "trapezium" has an interesting history.  A
   Greek word for "table" was  "tetrapedon" or "tetrapes", meaning
   "four legs".  This then was used for "table-shaped", meaning
   quadrilateral.  The particular kind of quadrilateral has changed
   around a bit over the years.  Originally, it was used only for
   rectangles, but later for arbitrary quadrilaterals, and it is only
   quite recently that is has been specialized to those with two
   parallel sides.  So in some scientific uses, "trapezoidal"
   refers to things with arbitrary quadrilateral faces, not just
   to those whose faces are trapeziums in the modern sense.

      By the way, of course the circus "trapeze" is just a
   trapezium, in the sense of "rectangle".

       I hope that someone else out there finds this nearly as
   interesting as I do.

                   John Conway
   ______________________________________________

   From:       "John Conway" <[email protected]>
   Subject:    Re: 11-gon
   Date:       Mon, 24 Oct 94 21:16:16 EDT

   I see someone asked about the 24-gon, 48-gon, 96-gon. The
   "official" names are

        icositetragon

        tetracontaoctagon

        enneacontahexagon

   if anyone cares.   A "myriagon" would be a polygon with 10000 sides.

   The word "macaronic" is usually used for a word made of pieces
   from several languages - one doesn't need "linguistic heteromorph"!

                    John Conway
   ______________________________________________

   From:       "John Conway" <[email protected]>
   Subject:    Re: 11-gon
   Date:       Mon, 24 Oct 94 21:21:28 EDT

   By the way, "icositetrahedron" appears in some dictionaries.

     The dual of the rhombicuboctahedron has been called either
   a trapezoidal or tetragonal icositetrahedron, while the dual
   of the snub cube is a pentagonal icositetrahedron.

      I saw the word "tetrakaidecahedron" in a recent "press release"
   from the Minneapolis Geometry Center, so you can see that people
   DO occasionally use such words.

               John Conway
   ______________________________________________

   From:       "John Conway" <[email protected]>
   Subject:    Re: 11-gon
   Date:       Mon, 24 Oct 94 21:35:08 EDT

   I'm working my way back through all this email.  I see that
   "undecagon" and "duodecagon" have been rearing their ugly
   heads again.  The full set is

   monogon, digon, trigon, tetragon, pentagon, hexagon, heptagon, octagon

   (of which monogon and digon can only be used in rather special circumstances;

   it's digon not "bigon"; and trigon and tetragon are alternatives to "triangle"
   and "quadrilateral" - the adjectival forms "trigonal" and "tetragonal"
   being more common), then

   enneagon, decagon, hendecagon, dodecagon, triskaidecagon, tetrakaidecagon,...

   not

   nonagon            undecagon   duodecagon

   but                                        tridecagon  and tetradecagon (&c)
   are OK.

      The (synonymous) words "triskaidecaphobia" and "tridecaphobia"
   appear in dictionaries (occasionally spelled with a "k" instead
   of that "c").  I was reminded of them in O'Hare airport yesterday,
   as I passed gates 10,11,12,14,15,...  !

                  John Conway

   ______________________________________________

   Craig Roberts                                    Dec. 6, 1994
   Geometry - Period Three
   Dover-Sherborn High School
   [email protected]

   Below is my first attempt to name the polygons with 3 sides up to 50 sides.
    I made this attempt after reading the recent conversation on
   geometry.pre.college.

   Feedback is welcome. ([email protected])

   NAMES OF THE POLYGONS

   3               TRIANGLE
   4               QUADRILATERAL
   5               PENTAGON
   6               HEXAGON
   7               SEPTAGON
   8               OCTAGON
   9               ENNEAGON
   10              DECAGON
   11              HENDECAGON
   12              DODECAGON
   13              TRIDECAGON
   14              QUADECAGON
   15              PENDECAGON
   16              HEXDECAGON
   17              SEPTDECAGON
   18              OCTDECAGON
   19              ENNEADECAGON
   20              ICOSAGON
   21              ICOSITEMONOGON
   22              ICOSITEDIGON
   23              ICOSITETRIGON
   24              ICOSITETRAGON
   25              ICOSITEPENTAGON
   26              ICOSITEHEXAGON
   27              ICOSITESEPTAGON
   28              ICOSITEOCTAGON
   29              ICOSITENONAGON
   30              TRIACONTAGON
   31              TRICONTAMONAGON
   32              TRICONTADIGON
   33              TRICONTATRIGON
   34              TRICONTATETRAGON
   35              TRICONTAPENTAGON
   36              TRICONTAHEXAGON
   37              TRICONTASEPTAGON
   38              TRICONTAOCTAGON
   39              TRICONTAENNEAGON
   40              TETRACONTAGON
   41              TETRACONTAMONOGON
   42              TETRACONTADIGON
   43              TETRACONTATRIAGON
   44              TETRACONTATETRAGON
   45              TETRACONTAPENTAGON
   46              TETRACONTAHEXAGON
   47              TETRACONTASEPTAGON
   48              TETRACONTAOCTAGON
   49              TETRACONTAENNEAGON
   50              PENTACONTAGON

   _______________________________________


   There is an "official" set of names for polygons, uniformly derived
   from the Greek after 4 sides, and you have some of them wrong.

      "septa" is Latin, not Greek - the official version is "hepta"

   The typical  twenty-something is  (eg) "icositetra"

   and the typical thirty-something is (eg)  "tricontapenta"

   (which would also tell you what the typical forty-something would be.)

   JHConway
2024.6another solutionFLOYD::YODERMFYMon Jan 22 1996 10:293
For polygons with 9 and 11 sides respectively, I'm comfortable with using 9-gon
and 11-gon.  Advantage: clarity.  Disadvantage: you don't get to show off
esoteric erudition.  But I understand why others might choose differently.   :-)
2024.7UndecagonIOSG::BURTONBuilders do it ..... somedayTue Jan 23 1996 10:587
    Thanks everybody.
    
    My teacher told us that the correct word for an 11 sided polygon is
    Undecagon, although Endecagon is also acceptable.
    
    Adam (aged 12)
    son of Martin.
2024.8Between John Conway and a high school teacher, I choose ConwayEVMS::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireWed Jan 24 1996 10:427
>   My teacher told us that the correct word for an 11 sided polygon is
>   Undecagon, although Endecagon is also acceptable.
    
    Good! This gives you a chance to tell your teacher (s)he's dead wrong.
    Fear not, this happens a lot in American schools.
    
      John
2024.9Red faceCHEFS::STRANGEWAYSAndy Strangeways@REO DTN 830-3216Thu Jan 25 1996 04:419
    Re .1: Martin, Adam, my humble apologies. I hope the incorrect answer
    didn't make it back into school. I could have sworn I typed
    "Endecagon" when replying to your note - I'd recently been asked for
    names of polygons with 5 to 12 sides by my daughter Jenny, and
    fortunately I gave her the correct answers. In future, I think I'll
    employ the services of an independant checker before entering any
    replies in this conference.
    
    Andy.