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2012.1 | Some related information can be found in note 52 | EVMS::HALLYB | Fish have no concept of fire | Wed Nov 08 1995 15:25 | 0 |
2012.2 | a proof | JOBURG::BUCHANAN | | Thu Nov 09 1995 05:30 | 33 |
| The idea is simple, but takes a few lines to express. Suppose if
possible that S = sum(m=<i=<n)1/i is an integer. This is equivalent to:
sum(m=<i=<n) n!/((m-1)!i) == 0 mod n!/(m-1)!
which implies:
(*) sum(m=<i=<n) n!/((m-1)!i) == 0 mod 2^A
where arity(2,n!/(m-1)!) = A. (That is to say that A is the largest natural
number such that 2^A divides n!/(m-1)!)
If A = 0, then n=m & the only solution is with n=m=S=1. Otherwise, A>=1.
Let a = max(arity(2,l) | l drawn from {m,...,n}). Note that A >= a >= 1. Define:
f(i) = n!/((m-1)!i)/(2^(A-a))
Now, f(i) is an integer. Further, f(i) is odd <=> arity(2,i) = a. So,
by the definition of a, there is at least one j in {m,...,n} such that f(j) is
odd. But (*) is just:
sum(m=<i=<n) f(i) == 0 mod 2^a
So by parity, there is another number j' (<> j) in {m,...,n} such that
f(j') is odd. Now, wlog we take j' is "as close as possible" to j. Formally, if
j = 2^a(2z+1), say, then wlog we can take j' such that j' = 2^a(2z'+1), where
|z-z'| = 1.
Consider k = (j+j')/2. k certainly lies in {m,...,n}. The trick is that
arity(2,k) > a, contradicting the definition of a. So no solution, apart from
the trivial n=m=1.
Andy.
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2012.3 | | HANNAH::OSMAN | see HANNAH::IGLOO$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240 | Thu Nov 09 1995 09:32 | 4 |
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what's arity? looks like parity without the p ...
/Eric
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2012.4 | how about leaving out a middle term. Can it be an integer then ? | HANNAH::OSMAN | see HANNAH::IGLOO$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240 | Thu Nov 09 1995 09:58 | 19 |
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o.k. so 1/a + 1/(a+1) ... + 1/(a+n) is never an integer.
How about leaving out one of the terms ? When is that an integer ? If
never, then we have a stronger statement. If sometimes, then when ?
Obviously, we can't get an integer by leaving out either of the end terms,
since the remaining sum satisfies the original theorem.
Leaving out a middle term gives us:
1/a + 1/(a+1) ... + 1/k + 1/(k+2) ... + 1/n
We left out 1/(k+1). By the original theorem, neither the stuff to the left
(ending with 1/k) nor the stuff to the right (starting with 1/(k+2)) is an
integer. But maybe they add to an integer.
/Eric
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2012.5 | Re: .2 | FLOYD::YODER | MFY | Thu Nov 09 1995 10:24 | 9 |
| I thought there might be a solution that used a smaller hammer than the one I
did. My proof has 2 cases:
(1) 2m>n: the sum is between 0 and 1, hence not an integer, unless m=n=1.
(2) 2m<=n: n>1, so there is a prime p such that n/2<p<=n; then 1/p appears in
the sum but 1/kp doesn't for k>1. The sum without the 1/p term, in lowest
terms, doesn't have p in the denominator, so cannot equal (rp-1)/p for any r.
Therefore adding 1/p won't make it an integer.
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2012.6 | Unsolved Stantalizer | JOBURG::BUCHANAN | | Fri Nov 10 1995 10:05 | 3 |
| & what of 1315.4?
Andy
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2012.7 | another reference to sums of reciprocals | HANNAH::OSMAN | see HANNAH::IGLOO$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240 | Fri Nov 10 1995 16:47 | 4 |
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Please see my note 1547 for previous dabbling in this area.
/Eric
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2012.8 | beat that Harmonic Series to death | AUSSIE::GARSON | achtentachtig kacheltjes | Tue Nov 21 1995 01:44 | 23 |
| re .5
>(1) 2m>n: the sum is between 0 and 1, hence not an integer, unless m=n=1.
Define S(n) = sigma(i=n+1,2n) 1/i
It is possible to show that S(n) is strictly monotonically increasing
and, by comparision with sigma 1/i�, that it is bounded above and hence
that limit(n->oo) S(n) exists.
Questions:
1. Is there an easier demonstration that 0 < S(n) < 1 ?
2. What is a "closed" form expression for the above limit, if any?
Personally I find this fascinating (Yeah, I guess small things amuse
small minds...) i.e. that even though H(n) diverges, the second half of
the series only ever contributes at most 1 (in fact, at most some
number that is the answer to Q2 and can be readily seen to be a little less
than 1).
Is this a property of more general series?
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2012.9 | Our friend ln(2) likes playing the harmonica | EVMS::HALLYB | Fish have no concept of fire | Tue Nov 21 1995 09:10 | 21 |
| > Define S(n) = sigma(i=n+1,2n) 1/i
> It is possible to show that S(n) is strictly monotonically increasing
> and, by comparision with sigma 1/i�, that it is bounded above and hence
> that limit(n->oo) S(n) exists.
I don't quite see the comparison with sigma 1/i�, but I'm sure it's there.
> 2. What is a "closed" form expression for the above limit, if any?
ln(2)
> Personally I find this fascinating (Yeah, I guess small things amuse
> small minds...) i.e. that even though H(n) diverges, the second half of
> the series only ever contributes at most [ln(2)]
It's an interesting way of putting it. But is this observation
fundamentally any different from the standard divergence proof
where huge collections are necessary to form a partial sum of � ?
John
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2012.10 | | AUSSIE::GARSON | achtentachtig kacheltjes | Tue Nov 21 1995 17:21 | 13 |
| re .9
>> 2. What is a "closed" form expression for the above limit, if any?
>
> ln(2)
Is this obvious? Can you prove it?
> It's an interesting way of putting it. But is this observation
> fundamentally any different from the standard divergence proof
> where huge collections are necessary to form a partial sum of � ?
No, I guess not.
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2012.11 | | CSC32::D_DERAMO | Dan D'Eramo, Customer Support Center | Tue Nov 21 1995 19:19 | 16 |
| re .10
>>> re .9
>>>
>>> >> 2. What is a "closed" form expression for the above limit, if any?
>>> >
>>> > ln(2)
>>>
>>> Is this obvious? Can you prove it?
It is H(2n) - H(n) and for large k H(k) is approximately ln k + c
where c is Euler's constant. Then just use
(ln(2n) + c) - (ln(n) + c) = ln 2
Dan
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2012.12 | | AUSSIE::GARSON | achtentachtig kacheltjes | Wed Nov 29 1995 21:16 | 58 |
| re .11
That makes it obvious provided that H(n) -> ln n + c is obvious. Is it?
A more first principles demonstration is embedded below.
re .9
> I don't quite see the comparison with sigma 1/i�, but I'm sure it's there.
S(n) = sigma(i=n+1,2n) 1/i
So S(n+1) - S(n)
= sigma(i=n+2,2n+2) 1/i - sigma(i=n+1,2n) 1/i
= 1/(2n+2) + 1/(2n+1) - 1/(n+1)
2n+1 + 2n+2 - 2(2n+1)
= ---------------------
2(n+1)(2n+1)
1
= ------------
2(n+1)(2n+1)
This establishes that S(n) is strictly monotonically increasing (which in
turn given a limit less than one would establish that S(n) < 1 for all n
as required).
Hence S(n) = sigma(i=1,n) 1/(2i(2i-1)) checking initial condition
[DIGRESSION:
To establish quickly that the limit is less than 1 i.e. without
actually finding it, showing where the comparison with sigma 1/i�
comes in. It is immediately obvious but one just needs to be careful
with range of summation.
S(n)
= 1/2 sigma(i=1,n) 1/(i(2i-1))
= 1/2 ( 1 + sigma(i=2,n) 1/(i(2i-1)) )
< 1/2 ( 1 + sigma(i=2,n) 1/(i(2i-2)) )
< 1/2 ( 1 + 1/2 sigma(i=2,n) 1/((i-1)(i-1)) )
< 1/2 ( 1 + 1/2 sigma(i=1,n) 1/(i*i) )
< 1/2 ( 1 + 1/2 pi*pi / 6 )
which is around 0.91
END DIGRESSION]
However there is a more direct way.
S(n)
= sigma(i=1,n) 1/(2i-1) - 1/(2i)
= sigma(i=1,2n) (-)^(i+1) 1/i
i.e. the alternating harmonic sum.
It is relatively straightforward then to show that S(n) -> ln 2.
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2012.13 | S(n) -> ln 2, a direct proof | FLOYD::YODER | MFY | Thu Nov 30 1995 17:16 | 4 |
| If f(x)=1/x, then H(2n)-H(n) = sum(i in n+1..2n)1/i
= (1/n)sum(i in n+1..2n)f(i/n) -> integral(1..2)f(x)dx.
But the latter is ln(2)-ln(1) = ln 2.
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2012.14 | Re: .8 | FLOYD::YODER | MFY | Fri Dec 01 1995 09:52 | 4 |
| > 1. Is there an easier demonstration that 0 < S(n) < 1 ?
Yes, if n>0: clearly S(n) > 0, and S(n)<= n*1/(n+1) since every term is <=
1/(n+1).
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