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Title:Mathematics at DEC
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Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
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1876.0. "Culling a surd from a polynomial function" by RTL::GILBERT () Wed May 25 1994 18:00

    P(x) is a polynomial in x.  Then P(a + b*sqrt(s)) can be expressed as:
    
    	P(a + b*sqrt(s)) = Q(a,b,s) + sqrt(s)*R(a,b,s)
    
    where Q and R are polynomials of their parameters (e.g, the sqrt(s) has
    been 'separated' from the rest of the stuff).  The problem is to express
    Q(a,b,s) and R(a,b,s) in terms of P.

    
[   FWIW, this is a 'real' problem.  I don't have a solution, but I suspect    ]
[   Q is something like: Q(a,b,s) = P(a + b*sqrt(s)) - P(a - b*sqrt(s)).       ]
    
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1876.1AUSSIE::GARSONachtentachtig kacheltjesThu May 26 1994 07:5118
re .0
    
>The problem is to express Q(a,b,s) and R(a,b,s) in terms of P.
>[FWIW, this is a 'real' problem.  I don't have a solution, but I suspect]
>[Q is something like: Q(a,b,s) = P(a + b*sqrt(s)) - P(a - b*sqrt(s)).]
    
    It seems that
    
    Q(a,b,s) = � [ P(a+b*sqrt(s)) + P(a-b*sqrt(s)) ]
    
    and
    
    R(a,b,s) = �[ P(a+b*sqrt(s)) - P(a-b*sqrt(s)) ]
    
    but I don't see that this buys anything.

    {I suppose that you intend that a, b and s are rational and that sqrt(s)
     is irrational.}
1876.2RTL::GILBERTThu May 26 1994 21:4712
Right; thanks!

If P(x) is a polynomial, then

    P(a+b*sqrt(s)) = Q(a,b,s) + sqrt(s)*R(a,b,s)
where
    Q(a,b,s) = � [ P(a+b*sqrt(s)) + P(a-b*sqrt(s)) ]
and
    R(a,b,s) = � [ P(a+b*sqrt(s)) - P(a-b*sqrt(s)) ]/sqrt(s)

are polynomials in a, b, and s.

1876.3AUSSIE::GARSONachtentachtig kacheltjesFri May 27 1994 04:294
    re .2
    
    Blush. Sorry about the factor of sqrt(s) in R(a,b,s).
    Just checking whether you were awake. (-: