Conference rusure::math

        I thought releasing the node::name's on the notes was
        considered to be a network security concern.
        
        Dan

    Personally I do -not- support the hiding of notes just so ex-DECcies
    can continue to receive extracts.  The moderators cannot be available
    to supply hidden material on demand and hiding notes can break up the
    continuity of a stream.
    
    Send 'em to rec.math...
    
      John

    Furthermore, there is a problem with the lack of the consent of the
    authors in this activities.  If notes are going to be selectively
    forwarded (even if the final selection is 99%) -- if there is going to
    be some intelligence applied to deciding whether or not something
    should be forwarded -- then *perhaps* a case could be made that
    forwarding would not require the permission of the poster.  But it has
    been argued that even crossposting a note within the company without
    the author's permission is questionable.

    Have you considered that there is no strict requirement to mark
    material which may be of advantage to our competetors as "proprietary?"
    If you miss even one such note and it gets into the wrong hnads that
    the original poster would probably be told to be more carefull in the
    future (since they were posting only to employees and people with a
    legitimate access to the ENet) but that you as the forwarder could lose
    your job over it?  If you have not read and evaluated each thing which
    you forward outside the company you really are creating a security breach.

    I am sympathetic with the ex-employee but I find this whole enterprise
    rather questionable.  Before you dismantle a valuable resource any
    further why don't you bring the issue up in the moderators' conference?

				    Topher

    Re .2:
    
    This isn't for continuing transmission of extracts; there's only a
    request on the table for notes now.
    
    
    Re .3:
    
    As far as I know, there is a policy against posting mail without
    permission, but not notes.  I believe that policy was motivated by
    management's distaste for seeing their missives widely distributed. 
    Mail is prima facie intended for a particular audience, whereas notes
    are more open.
    
    Proprietary notes are supposed to be marked "proprietary" or
    "confidential"; that's how we are supposed to know they are
    confidential.  If Digital blames me for allowing (somebody else will
    actually be sending the notes) the transmission of confidential
    material that was not marked confidential, I'm willing to fight that
    battle.
    
    As moderator, I would prefer this conference not have confidential
    material in it.  I don't like information to be kept secret without
    good reason, and the few notes I have seen that are marked as
    confidential seem to have little cause for it.
    
    This conference is intended to disseminate mathematical information and
    promote interest in and knowledge of mathematics.  That goal is
    enhanced by sharing the information.  I'll check the moderator
    conference for other opinions, but what I need to stop this is a good
    reason not to share what we have.
    
    
    				-- edp

    I know he's working books of every math problem ever published...

    - Jim

    Re .6:
    
    I don't understand why you think there's a "members only" issue.  Could
    you clarify?
    
    
    				-- edp

    There's a topic in the moderators' conference about sending notes
    outside the company.  Discussion is mixed.  There does not seem to be a
    set policy against it.
    
    I'm a bit surprised; I expected a more receptive response to sharing
    our notes.  Does anybody specifically object to forwarding their own
    notes?
    
    
    				-- edp

    I do not object to my notes being forwarded now that I have been asked,
    but I would object to them being forwarded without my permission.  I do
    think that there is a serious security problem with any kind of mass
    forwarding of notes without a case by case evaluation of each note as
    to whether or not its forwarding would create a problem.  Such a
    procedure might endanger the continued existance of this conference as
    well as other non-work related conferences (not to mention your own
    valued continued presence).

				    Topher

    Although the letter of the following exerpt from the company policies
    "orangebook" is directed at reposting of notes to other conferences I
    feel that the "spirit" here is quite clear -- an author's permission is
    needed before they are "copied" outside the context in which they
    originally posted.  Note that much of the discussion on this and
    related issues in the moderators' predates this policy being made
    explicit.

				    Topher

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    I object to my notes being forwarded without my permission.
    
      John

    re .0

    I would think that before people give carte blanche for extraction you
    should indicate what this ex-DECcie intends to do with the information
    e.g. publish, use for commercial gain, ...

    I second .1. If I knew and agreed with the purpose of the extraction
    then my permission would be conditional on the removal of all
    identifying information *before* transmission outside Digital.

    Regarding the inclusion of confidential information in this conference, it
    seems to me better to discourage it. By and large this conference is
    employee interest. I propose the following procedure in the situation that,
    for example, someone requests code or an algorithm to perform some
    computation and the reply would contain company confidential material. If
    the need is work related then the material should be emailed and a reply to
    the note posted to that effect. If the need is not work related (e.g. for
    home PC use) then the material should not be made available. Comments?

    Derek (whose 2� is late as he has just returned from holidays)