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Conference rusure::math

Title:Mathematics at DEC
Moderator:RUSURE::EDP
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2083
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1630.0. "Triangle Problem" by CSC32::A_DEBRITO () Thu Jun 18 1992 03:26

     We have had several discussions here on this problem concerning the 
     relationship of angle c and b. Any ideas???  -art-

     Given a right triangle, a, b, e^a, with c being the angle opposite b.
     What are the values of a and b in real numbers, when b equals the magnitude 
     of c (measured in radians.)

     added info: 
       e^a cos(b)=a 
       e^a sin(b)=b
       ln((a^2 + b^2)^1/2)=a
       arctan(b/a)=b
    
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		                    / c   |
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1630.1i dont understand your diagramSTAR::ABBASIi^(-i) = SQRT(exp(PI))Thu Jun 18 1992 05:1725
    
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    iam missing something,
    why e^a ?? 
    
      let c= 1 (radian)
    
      then e^2a sin(1)= a
    
      i.e. .8414 e^2a = a
           true for all a, then let a=1
           then e^2= 1.18
      
           i.e. e= 1.090135  ???
    
    /nasser
    
1630.2e^1 = 2.718281828CSC32::COLTERThu Jun 18 1992 07:184
    
    	e^1 = 2.718281828
	
    
1630.3BEING::EDPAlways mount a scratch monkey.Thu Jun 18 1992 09:2319
    Re .0:
    
    I think I understand what you are asking, but your phrasing is not
    quite clear, so let me restate the problem to be sure.  Let's label the
    triangle XYZ, where segment XZ is the hypoteneuse and angle XYZ is the
    right angle.
    
    Now the length of segment XY is a, the length of segment XZ is e^a, and
    the length of segment YZ is b, correct?  And the measure of angle YXZ
    in radians is also b?  These match the equations you have given.
    
    Observe that from arctan(b/a)=b, we can write a = b/tan(b).  Then we
    can substitute that into e^a cos(b) = a to get an expression containing
    only b.  Plotting that expression shows it has a solution at b=pi/2 and
    no other solutions between 0 and pi.  Pi/2 cannot be a solution because
    that makes a right angle.  So there are no solutions to your problem.
    
    
    				-- edp
1630.4e^(b/tan b)*sin b - b = 0 should do it!CSC32::COLTERMon Jun 29 1992 06:549
    You are correct when you state the key to the problem is a=b/tan b.
    Using that information, we obtain the following formula:
    
    e^(b/tan b)*sin b - b = 0.
    
    From this point we plug the equation into a computer and vary b until
    we obtain something near 0.
    
    The answer for b is 1.3xxxxxx the proof is left to the reader.