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1547.1 | related recprocals question | HANNAH::OSMAN | see HANNAH::IGLOO$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240 | Fri Jan 24 1992 11:33 | 8 |
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If we abort the infinite series
1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 . . .
anywhere, can the partial sum ever be an integer ?
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1547.2 | | ZFC::deramo | Dan D'Eramo, zfc::deramo | Fri Jan 24 1992 12:48 | 32 |
| > One set of numbers that reveals solutions are the perfect numbers,
> namely those the sum of whose factors adds to the number. For example,
> 6=1+2+3 and 28=1+2+4+7+14. Note, by the way that 6 in binary is 110
> and 28 is 11100. One can prove that similarly, 1111000 is perfect,
> as is 111110000 etc. etc.
6 = 3 * 2 = (2^2 - 1)(2^(2 - 1)) 110 in binary is perfect
28 = 7 * 4 = (2^3 - 1)(2^(3 - 1)) 11100 in binary is perfect
but
120 = 15 * 8 = (2^4 - 1)(2^(4 - 1)) 1111000 in binary is not perfect
It's divisors are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 20, 24, 30, 40, 60,
and 120 which sum to 360, not 240, so 120 is not perfect. However, the
sum of the reciprocals of those numbers is 3.
n = (2^p - 1)(2^(p - 1)) is a perfect number if and only if 2^p - 1
is prime. Where 2^p - 1 is the prime q, the sum of the divisors of
n is (1 + q)(1 + 2 + 4 + ... + 2^(p - 1)) = (1 + q)(2^p - 1) = 2^p (2^p - 1)
= 2n. Dividing through by n means the sum of the reciprocals of the
divisors is 2. The sets you gave sum to 1 because you left out the
term 1/1.
For n = (2^m - 1)(2^(m - 1)) where 2^m - 1 is not prime, the sum of the
divisors is (sum of divisors of 2^m - 1) * (1 + 2 + ... + 2^(m - 1))
= (sum of divisors of 2^m - 1) * (2^m - 1). For m = 4 and n = 120, you
luck out that (sum of divisors of 2^m - 1) is a multiple of 2^(m - 1),
making the overall sum a multiple of n. That doesn't always happen.
31 * 16 is perfect, but the sum of the divisors of 63 * 32 is 13/4.
Dan
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1547.3 | | ZFC::deramo | Dan D'Eramo, zfc::deramo | Fri Jan 24 1992 12:53 | 10 |
| By the way, there are infinitely many solutions, as
1 1 n+1 n 1
--- - --- = ------ - ------ = ------
n n+1 n(n+1) n(n+1) n(n+1)
So 1/n = 1/(n+1) + 1/(n(n+1)), which means you can take any solution
and expand the last term into a sum of two reciprocals.
Dan
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1547.4 | Missed again ... | CIVAGE::LYNN | Lynn Yarbrough @WNP DTN 427-5663 | Fri Jan 24 1992 13:41 | 21 |
| >If we abort the infinite series
> 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 . . .
>anywhere, can the partial sum ever be an integer ?
No.
We can rewrite the above series, terminated at the kth term, as
k!/2 + k!/3 + k!/4 + ... + (k-1)!
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k!
Now consider the largest prime p such that p <= k. P obviously divides the
denominator of this fraction, and all the terms in the numerator *except
the pth*. So the fraction cannot be reduced to an integer, since p cannot
divide the numerator. [This result depends on the Lemma that between p and
p^2 there is another prime q>p.]
Since the above (Harmonic) series diverges, and very slowly, the partial
sums step past every positive integer, arbitrarily closely, without ever
equalling any of them.
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1547.5 | Yes | COOKIE::PBERGH | Peter Bergh, DTN 523-3007 | Fri Jan 24 1992 16:48 | 9 |
| <<< Note 1547.4 by CIVAGE::LYNN "Lynn Yarbrough @WNP DTN 427-5663" >>>
-< Missed again ... >-
>> Since the above (Harmonic) series diverges, and very slowly, the partial
>> sums step past every positive integer, arbitrarily closely, without ever
>> equalling any of them.
At least, every *sufficiently large* positive integer. (e.g., H(n) differs
from 1 by at least ((1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4) - 1) .)
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1547.6 | Got spare cycles? Look for an odd perfect number. | VMSDEV::HALLYB | Fish have no concept of fire | Mon Jan 27 1992 10:06 | 8 |
| .2> n = (2^p - 1)(2^(p - 1)) is a perfect number if and only if 2^p - 1
.2> is prime.
Note it is still an open problem if there are any odd perfect numbers.
(Misreading the above sentence might lead one to assume all perfect
numbers are of the form given).
John
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1547.7 | why the revision ? | HANNAH::OSMAN | see HANNAH::IGLOO$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240 | Tue Jan 28 1992 10:42 | 16 |
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>>> Since the above (Harmonic) series diverges, and very slowly, the partial
>>> sums step past every positive integer, arbitrarily closely, without ever
>>> equalling any of them.
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>At least, every *sufficiently large* positive integer. (e.g., H(n) differs
>from 1 by at least ((1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4) - 1) .)
I don't know why you want to add "sufficiently large". Supposedly, the given
proof showed that the series stops past EVERY positive integer, not just
SUFFICIENTLY LARGE ones. Please explain.
Thanks.
/Eric
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1547.8 | | VMSDEV::HALLYB | Fish have no concept of fire | Tue Jan 28 1992 11:50 | 9 |
| > I don't know why you want to add "sufficiently large".
Meaning you can only get H(n) within epsilon of every positive integer
past a certain point (which is a function of epsilon).
You can't get H(n) within say 6.02E-23 of \every/ positive integer; but
you CAN get within 6.02E-23 of every integer beyond some value N.
John
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1547.9 | See also notes 52.* (Osman, recycling old problems) | VMSDEV::HALLYB | Fish have no concept of fire | Tue Jan 28 1992 15:53 | 1 |
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1547.10 | | HANNAH::OSMAN | see HANNAH::IGLOO$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240 | Fri Nov 10 1995 17:00 | 22 |
| Mr Lynn wrote (in 1547.4) :
k!/2 + k!/3 + k!/4 + ... + (k-1)!
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k!
Now consider the largest prime p such that p <= k. P obviously divides the
denominator of this fraction, and all the terms in the numerator *except
the pth*. So the fraction cannot be reduced to an integer, since p cannot
divide the numerator. [This result depends on the Lemma that between p and
p^2 there is another prime q>p.]
I don't see why it depends on the lemma that there's a prime between p
and p^2.
/Eric
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1547.11 | I agree; replace ^ by * | AUSSIE::GARSON | achtentachtig kacheltjes | Fri Nov 10 1995 21:31 | 22 |
| re .10
I haven't been following the details of the proof but...
We are given that p is the largest prime p such that p <= k.
Suppose now that 2p <= k. It is now a false statement that p divides
all the terms in the numerator except the pth. (In fact then p divides
all the terms in the numerator but this is not sufficient to show that
the expression is an integer since p is just one divisor of the
denominator. So the proof would be flawed if 2p <= k.)
On the other hand if k < 2p then the line of reasoning is correct.
Thus IMHO you are correct to highlight an error in the note. It
apparently should have said...
"[This result depends on the Lemma that between p and 2p there is
another prime q > p.]"
and I believe that this Lemma can indeed be proved.
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1547.12 | Egyptian fractions | JOBURG::BUCHANAN | | Mon Nov 13 1995 10:32 | 19 |
| >Note 1547.0
>HANNAH::OSMAN
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>For what sets of distinct integers does the sum of their reciprocals
>add to an integer?
This topic is known as "Egyptian Fractions", apparently due to the
pyramid-builders enthusiasm for this narrow subject.
For which +ve integers S does there *not* exist a partition of S
into +ve integers a1...an, such that sum(i)ai = S, and sum(i)1/ai = 1?
Same question, but now all the ai must be *distinct*.
The answers to these questions are known, and not too hard to puzzle
out.
Cheers from wet Geneva,
Andy.
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1547.13 | | HANNAH::OSMAN | see HANNAH::IGLOO$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240 | Mon Nov 13 1995 11:14 | 3 |
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What is +ve ???
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1547.14 | positive | JOBURG::BUCHANAN | | Mon Nov 13 1995 11:54 | 7 |
| Eric,
I'm writing on a rather odd keyboard. I've no idea how the
characters are visible elsewhere. By "+ve" I meant "positive".
Cheers,
Andy.
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1547.15 | | HANNAH::OSMAN | see HANNAH::IGLOO$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240 | Mon Nov 13 1995 14:29 | 8 |
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On my screen (decwindows notes running on NT excursion) the "+ve" looks like
a plus sign then a lowercase roman numeral 5 then the base of the natural
logarithm.
Is that what you intended ? If so, why does that mean "positive" ?
/Eric
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1547.16 | | AUSSIE::GARSON | achtentachtig kacheltjes | Mon Nov 13 1995 16:27 | 11 |
| re .15
It's just a convention.
+ve means positive
^^
-ve means negative
^^
You are reading them correctly.
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1547.17 | some solutions? | AUSSIE::GARSON | achtentachtig kacheltjes | Mon Nov 13 1995 16:35 | 8 |
| re .12
I guess that if S is a perfect number then a partition of S into its
divisors will give an integer sum of reciprocals (2 if you include 1 as
a divisor and 1 if you exclude 1).
The requirement for distinct a[i] would imply that S must not be a
perfect square.
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1547.18 | imperfection is OK | JOBURG::BUCHANAN | | Tue Nov 14 1995 11:40 | 11 |
| re .17
> I guess that if S is a perfect number then a partition of S into its
> divisors will give an integer sum of reciprocals (2 if you include 1 as
> a divisor and 1 if you exclude 1)
Numbers of the form (2^k-1)(2^(k-1)) certainly have the required
property, but the odd factor does not have to be prime, ie the number
does not have to be perfect.
Andy.
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