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1416.1 | enough letters: numbers! | CIVAGE::LYNN | Lynn Yarbrough @WNP DTN 427-5663 | Wed Apr 10 1991 14:42 | 8 |
| > (m'+2)(n'+2) = (m+2)(n+2)
I think the only positive-integer solutions of this are {m', n'} = {m, n}.
We can solve the original problem, however; two solutions are
{m, n} = {4, 6} and
{m, n} = {3, 10}.
In each case the number of blue and white tiles are the same.
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1416.2 | idea | COOKIE::BUCHANAN | | Wed Apr 10 1991 15:21 | 11 |
| .1 lists the solutions where the number of white tiles equals the
number of blue ones. Where the number of white tiles *exceeds* the
number of blue ones, imagine the blue ones as a perimeter for the white
ones. It's only a vey limited number of rectangles for which the
perimeter can be greater than the area, and this breaks the back of
the problem. To be specific, we can show that m, say = 1,2,3 or 4.
The rest is just symbolic manipulation.
Cheers,
Andrew.
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1416.3 | | GUESS::DERAMO | Dan D'Eramo | Wed Apr 10 1991 16:05 | 3 |
| Where is it stated that the border width is one?
Dan
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1416.4 | for small widths, there are... | CIVAGE::LYNN | Lynn Yarbrough @WNP DTN 427-5663 | Wed Apr 10 1991 16:41 | 26 |
| Not here, certainly, although I suppose there may be aesthetic arguments
for a border 1 unit wide. For borders of k units wide, there are:
k = 1: {m, n} = {3, 10}*
{4, 6}*
k = 2: {m, n} = {5, 36}*
{6, 20}
{8, 12}
k = 3; {m, n} = {7, 78}*
{8, 42}*
{9, 30}
{10, 24}*
{12, 18}
k = 4; {m, n} = {9, 136}*
{10, 72}
{12, 40}
{16, 24}
k = 5; {m, n} = {11, 210}*
{12, 110}*
{14, 60}*
{15, 50}
{18, 35}*
{20, 30}
etc. The ones marked * are not multiples of smaller ones, i.e. 'primes' in
some sense.
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1416.5 | Rectangles 2 wide | CRONIC::NIHAO::MCINTYRE | | Tue Apr 16 1991 19:37 | 13 |
| Some other solutions:
{3, 18} and {2, 23}
{4, 10} and {2, 16}
{6, 6} and {2, 14}
I'm pretty sure there aren't any others involving 2.
The reasoning is simple if you note that the border is always 8 greater
than the area when one of the dimensions of the rectangle is 2.
The formula eventually comes down to n = (2m+12)/(m-2). All the
positive integer solutions of this are listed on the left side above.
Jon
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1416.6 | Don't throw away your substitution equation! | CRONIC::NIHAO::MCINTYRE | | Wed Apr 17 1991 13:39 | 61 |
| > That's mn white tiles and 2m+2n+4 blue tiles. If m' and n' are
> such that m'n'=2m+2n+4 and 2m'+2n'+4=mn, we have a solution.
>
> Observe that 2m+2n+4 = (m+2)(n+2)-mn, and similarly for m' and n'. So:
>
> m'n' = (m+2)(n+2) - mn.
> mn = (m'+2)(n'+2) - m'n'.
Fine up until here.
> Substitute the latter into the former:
>
> m'n' = (m+2)(n+2) - (m'+2)(n'+2) + m'n'.
Substituting here doesn't eliminate the need to satisfy at least one of
the equations above. This is why the simplified equation:
> (m'+2)(n'+2) = (m+2)(n+2).
has so many more solutions than the actual problem. Some solutions are
{m',n'} = {m,n} = any pair of positive integers, as mentioned in .1,
but these aren't the only ones. For instance, we know that 3*8 == 4*6,
so we can choose {1,6} and {2,4} as pairs that satisfy the simplified
equation, but which don't satisfy the pair of equations at the top.
To see why there are so many more solutions after the substitution, we
need only plug in values like {1,2} and {1,2} (clearly not a solution
to the original problem). The original pair of equations becomes
2 = m'n' = (m+2)(n+2) - mn = 3*4 - 2 = 10
and 2 = mn = (m'+2)(n'+2) - m'n' = 3*4 - 2 = 10
which are clearly both wrong, but when the right hand side (call it
"rhs") of the bottom "equation" (which equals 10) is substituted for the
left hand side of the bottom "equation" (mn, which equals 2) in the
top "equation", you get
2 = m'n' = (m+2)(n+2) - rhs = 3*4 - 10 = 2
The problem is that we tend to think we're eliminating an equation from
a system of equations when we substitute, when actually we're not. We
have to keep the equation we used for the substitution in the system of
equations to be satisfied.
What we usually do when we use substitution is to simplify one equation
in a system of equations to a point where the left hand side is a
single variable, then we substitute the rhs of the equation for that
variable in every other equation in the system, so that the variable
now only appears in the left hand side of a single equation. That
equation then becomes a "definition" of the value of that variable in
terms of the other variables, and we forget about that equation and
that variable until we've solved for the other variables. We haven't
eliminated the need to satisfy that "definition" equation, we just tend
not to look at it as part of the problem anymore. Satisfying it has
become a trivial matter, once we have solved the other equations for
the other variables.
I'll post what I think is a complete list of answers to this problem in
my next reply.
Jon
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1416.7 | Other solutions | CRONIC::NIHAO::MCINTYRE | | Wed Apr 17 1991 16:17 | 63 |
| Take the equations presented in .1 (m', n', m and n must be positive
integers):
(1) m'n' = 2m + 2n + 4
(2) mn = 2m' + 2n' + 4
divide both sides of (1) by m' and substitute:
(1.1) n' = (2m+2n+4)/m'
(2.1) mn = 2m' + 2(2m+2n+4)/m' + 4
We can leave the solution of 1.1 for the end and work on 2.1
(2.2) (m - 4/m')n = (2m'� + 4m + 8 + 4m')/m'
(2.3) n = (4m + 8 + 4m' + 2m'�)/(m'm - 4)
Although we could continue this general formula by setting z=m'm-4
and substituting to get rid of the m, it gets very messy and you still
end up with lots of m' terms, so let's just substitute some small
integers for m' instead.
Let m' = 1. Then we get
n = (4m+14)/(m-4)
substituting z = m-4, you get
n = (4z+30)/z
which has integer solutions for z = 1,2,3,5,6,10,15 and 30.
These yield the following pairs for {m,n}:
{5,34}, {6,19}, {7,14}, {9,10}, {10,9}, {14,7}, {19,6} and {34,5}, with
the repetition being due to the symmetry of the original equations.
Going back to 1.1 to get n', we get the following solutions:
{1,82} & {5,34}
{1,54} & {6,19}
{1,46} & {7,14}
{1,42} & {9,10}
Going back to (2.3) and letting m' = 2, then 3, then 4, then 5 (3 and
5 get a little hairy, with z=m'm-4 and modulo's and such), you get the
following solutions, which have all been mentioned in previous notes:
m'=2 {2,23} & {3,18} (note .5)
{2,16} & {4,10} (note .5)
{2,14} & {6,6} (note .5)
m'=3 {3,18} & {2,23} (repeat of above)
{3,10} & {3,10} (note .1)
m'=4 {4,10} & {2,16} (repeat of above)
{4,6} & {4,6} (note .1)
m'=5 {5,34} & {1,82} (repeat)
It seems that continuing in this way won't give us anything more than
the pairs already listed, so I'm pretty sure this is an exhaustive list
of solutions. That means there are 9 unique solutions for border = 1.
Jon
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1416.8 | | JARETH::EDP | Always mount a scratch monkey. | Mon Apr 22 1991 10:38 | 14 |
| Re .6:
I didn't mean to imply the substituion yielded a complete result. I
should have said that .0 was just a start. I saved the Usenet posting,
diddled with a bit, and eventually just dropped the file in here.
Re .7:
Hmm, I'm not comfortable that there aren't more solutions. Can anybody
prove there aren't?
-- edp
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1416.9 | I confirm it | HERON::BUCHANAN | Holdfast is the only dog, my duck. | Mon Apr 22 1991 11:36 | 29 |
| > Re .7:
>
> Hmm, I'm not comfortable that there aren't more solutions. Can anybody
> prove there aren't?
It's clear. If we have A white tiles, a blue tiles, with A >= a.
We can state:
A = MN = 2m + 2n + 2
a = mn = 2M + 2N + 2
this will get us MN + mn = (m+2)(n+2).
Use the fact that A >= a to get
2mn =< (m+2)(n+2), and since wlog m =< n, we can derive m < 5 from
this.
I think the most useful approach for the rest is to eliminate n and
get:
(mN-4)(mN-4) = 2m� + 4m� + 8m + 16
which we can solve for m = 1,2,3 & 4 to get the 9 solutions described.
The only other curiosity I can see to mention is that *two* of these
solutions have a = 46, with A = 54 or 98.
Regards,
Andrew.
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