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Title:Mathematics at DEC
Moderator:RUSURE::EDP
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2083
Total number of notes:14613

1270.0. "Largest Word Number?!?" by SONATA::ARDINI () Fri Jul 20 1990 14:43

    	wHAT IS THE LARGEST NUMBER BY NAME?  My kids have been asking me
    this lately and I told them "Google" becasue someone told me that.
    What is the truth and how many zeros?
    
    					Thanks, George
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1270.1You'd better write on both sidesTRACE::GILBERTOwnership ObligatesFri Jul 20 1990 17:1412
		      100
	A Google is 10   , which is a largish number having 100 zeroes.
				    Google
	Then there's Googleplex = 10      , which is written with a 1

	followed by a *Google* of zeroes!  Imagine how long it would take

	just to write down this monster; if you could write a zero on each

	proton and neutron in the universe, you'd still need another

	sextillion universes before you finish.
1270.2Dan's number?GUESS::DERAMODan D'EramoFri Jul 20 1990 20:2015
	Those numbers are tiny compared to some of the
	integers that you could define using, say,
	Ackermann's function.  And even those larger
	numbers are tiny compared to some of the ones
	that you could define using more obscure
	definitions.

	However, these are now numbers that take many
	words to define, not just one word, since they
	don't have standard one-word names like "googol"
	and "googolplex".

	(Not yet, that is.)

	Dan
1270.3Transfinite NumbersWOOK::LEEWook... Like 'Book' with a 'W'Thu Aug 02 1990 18:545
    What about omega or epsilon which describe orders of infinity?
    
    Or aleph null?
    
    Wook
1270.4GUESS::DERAMODan D'EramoThu Aug 02 1990 20:344
	It depends on what they meant by "number" I guess.  I
	was answering as if that meant nonnegative integer.

	Dan
1270.5NO STOPWCSM::GCHARBONNEAUWed Aug 08 1990 11:313
    
    THE BEST NAME IS INFINITE...NO END
    
1270.6More on big named numbersTRACE::GILBERTOwnership ObligatesMon Sep 24 1990 19:3726
For any number prefix N, an "N-illion" stands for the number written as one
with 3N+3 zeroes.  For N=1,2,3,4,6,7,10,20, and 100, the number prefixes
are:
	prefix	N  number of zeroes
	mi-	1	6
	bi-	2	9
	tri-	3	12
	quadri-	4	15
	quint-	5	18
	sex-	6	21
	sept-	7	24
	oct-	8	27
	non-	9	30
	dec-	10	33
	vigint-	20	63
	trigint-30	93
	cent-	100	303

(there are prefixes between dec- and vigint-, which I forget offhand)

Now note that 1 centillion >> 1 googol = 10 trigint-duillion.

If N is a number prefix, then N-plex is the number written as one followed
by N zeroes.  It's been proposed that Greek prefixes be used with this
notation, so we may have a dekaplex = 10^10, kiloplex = 10^1000,
megaplex = 10^(10^6), teraplex = 10^(10^12), and googolplex = 10^(10^100).
1270.7Bigger billionsKERNEL::JACKSONPeter Jackson - UK CSCTue Oct 02 1990 08:517
    Re .6
    
    In English 1 billion = 1 million squared = 1,000,000,000,000.
    
    The American meaning is becoming more common in England, though.
    
    Peter
1270.8crossreference visa::joyoflexHERON::BUCHANANcombinatorial bomb squadTue Oct 02 1990 09:1825
>    Re .6
>    
>    In English 1 billion = 1 million squared = 1,000,000,000,000.
>    
>    The American meaning is becoming more common in England, though.

	I'd have said that the old English billion (= 10^12) was almost
entirely supplanted by the American version in the UK, due to pressures of:
		(i) scientific standardization
		(ii) finance (English needed a word for 10^9)
		(iii) general Americanization

	Here in France, billion is still 10^12, since there always has
been a word for 10^9 (milliard).   Interestingly, a French "milliardaire"
is about as rich as a British millionaire.   This is because of the quaint
French habit of counting *large* sums of money in *centimes* rather than 
francs.   Then 10 francs are about �1.   This in turn is due to the race
memory that the French have of the old franc, which corresponds to today's
centime = 1/100 new franc.

	According to my colleague, the word "billiard" does not mean 10^15
in French.   Disappointing.

Regards,
Andrew.
1270.9QuibblesKERNEL::JACKSONPeter Jackson - UK CSCWed Oct 03 1990 09:2813
    Re .7
    
    (i) In science 'ten to the nine' (or twelve) is normally used rather
    than a billion.
    
    (ii) On the radio this morning I heard both thousands of millions
    and billions used in reference to money. Also, according to Call
    My Bluff, milliard is an English word.
    
    (iii) This is the only real preasure as I see it for the meaning
    of billion to have changed.
    
    Peter