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    I suggest using this topic to post resumes or notices of jobs with
    mathematics interest.  I will change the title.
    
    
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	Colleagues Mathematicians,

	I am a Ph.D. in Applied Math currently running the servo group for
	the New Dawn program (Digital's effort in magneto-optical storage
	technology). Although highly visible until very recently, the
	program has just been canceled, so I am in the position to examine 
	other career avenues (I really put that nicely, didn't I? :-)) My 
	thesis was in nonlinear systems, and for the past five years I worked 
	mainly in modeling, simulation, and numerical applications for the 
	needs of analytical work in storage systems, as well as in direct
	servo system design and development (D&SG and TOPS organizations).
	Before DEC, I was with NASA/JPL and the University of Texas.

	I keep an eye on the JOBS conference and other sources--however, I
	believe that some of you may be more directly involved with efforts
	that require mathematical work inside the corporation. Would you 
	please contact me directly on ELWOOD::LUKSIC, or DTN 237-3683, if you
	know of such possibilities. As this is not a job searching conference,
	I am not putting my resume here--I will provide it directly with the
	references, list of publications, etc.

	Thanks in advance.

	Mladen Luksic	

From: [email protected] (Gerald Edgar)
Subject: Re: Academic jobs
Date: 9 Nov 1992 10:54:06 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University, Dept. of Math.
 
Mathematics: employment of new PhDs in the US.
 
The current (November) issue of the Notices of the American Mathematical
Society contains the "First Report" of this year's employment survey.
Read the whole thing if you are interested.  Here are a few
figures:  U.S. institutions awarded 1,050 doctorates in the mathematical
sciences during 91-92.  [430 of these were U.S. citizens]  As of
September, 1992, 12.7 percent were still unemployed.  Of the new PhDs employed,
approximately:
 
175 were employed at PhD-granting institutions,
300 at other U.S. academic institutions
150 at foreign academic institutions
150 at non-academic institutions [government, business, etc]
 
Median starting salary of new doctorates reporting teaching: $34,000 for men
and $34,900 for women.
    
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  Gerald A. Edgar                Internet:  [email protected]
  Department of Mathematics      Bitnet:    EDGAR@OHSTPY
  The Ohio State University      telephone: 614-292-0395 (Office)
  Columbus, OH 43210             -292-4975 (Math. Dept.) -292-1479 (Dept. Fax)
    
    

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From: [email protected] (Matt Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Getting a job after PhD
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Organizaiton: Mathematics department, Tuane University
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 05:05:00 GMT
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> What was it like trying to get a job (academic or industry) after you
> finished your degree?  Obviously it would be a much smaller field of
> potential employers.  How long did the process take?
 
My personal experience is this (dealing only with academia, although I  
plan on going into industry, for which I have very little information to  
offer):
 
I went to a joint math conference (I'm a PhD student in, well, math) this  
past January.  There were over 450 applicants, and about 65 positions.  Of  
me and my group (7 job searchers), one has gotten an interview and  
subsequent job offer.  The rest: nothing.  My friend who got an offer was  
calling some of the other schools the other day to see what's up with his  
applications.  One small liberal arts (i.e., NOT a math research  
institution) school I never heard of had whiddled down from 800+  
applications to 30.  He, unfortunately, did not make the cut.  He had  
spent approx. 3 months before the meeting sending out letters, etc.  For  
the position he did get offered he had already corresponded with them, and  
had told them he would be at the meetings if they wanted a cheap  
interview.
 
(And, oh, by the way, the average starting salary for a PhD in math is  
approx 35k, whereas when I left for grad school, my BS in CS was worth  
about 32k.  Definitely no financial gain by going into academia.  But  
that's not what you're there for, right?)
 
I have about 4 other friends here who are pretty much just sticking around  
(they HAVE their PhD's) because there are no jobs.  Some of them have sent  
out 150+ applications over the last 12-16 months, without even an  
interview.  A couple of these people DO have some articles published,  
etc... 
 
So, in short: a PhD is useless to anyone but yourself.  As far as a job is  
concerned: become a bartender.
 
Matt
    

> So, in short: a PhD is useless to anyone but yourself. 
    
    This should always be the case; a matter of personal pride rather than
    some exotic meal ticket.
    
    Isn't it obvious that jobs in academia will be constrained by laws of
    supply and demand?  And therefore those who acquire PhDs in specialties
    that are only (currently) of academic interest are going to find the
    going a bit rough?
    
    All the way back in 1970 the Math Department head at The University of
    Arizona made it very clear to the graduate students that the job market
    would be very selective -- you select the right field or you won't get
    selected for a job.
    
      John

    yes, actually one of Cornell leaflets i got about their math program
    said that students should take courses in applied subjects (such as 
    computer stuff) in addition to the pure math subject to help in their
    job search afterwards.

    you'r right, one does not go and do a PhD to get a better job really,
    most PhD's in physics and math make less than one with a B.Sc. degree in
    something like business or computer science .

    one does a PhD because they want to study the stuff more and that is
    one way to do.  but also a PhD person wants money to live on.

    i know it is supply and demand, but there is more to it than that, in
    the US there seems to me to less values held for science in general by
    the public , it is not as important, what seems to be important is how 
    much money one makes and what high power position they hold.
    what knowledge is inside ones head dont seem important if it does not
    translate to commerical money.  in other societies i find that people 
    with high education are valued more. even if it is not money wise.
    
    in the end, i think one should study what they love, and not worry
    about how much moeny they'll make afterwords.
    
    \bye
    \nasser