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1105.1 | | AITG::DERAMO | Daniel V. {AITG,ZFC}:: D'Eramo | Mon Aug 07 1989 20:41 | 11 |
| Well, let's see. The denominator is
(exp(c x) + k) (exp(- c x) + k)
= exp(c x) exp(- c x) + exp(c x) k + k exp(- c x) + k^2
= 1 + k(exp(c x) + exp(- c x)) + k^2
= 1 + 2 k cosh(c x) + k^2
Does anyone recognize any standard definite integrals
with this form? :-)
Dan
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1105.2 | | ALLVAX::ROTH | If you plant ice you'll harvest wind | Mon Aug 14 1989 16:35 | 12 |
| It doesn't look too obvious... it's easy to get the residues but that
doesn't work because the denominator has an essential singularity at
infinity. You can expand the denomenator in partial fractions in terms
of exp, but that isn't recognizable either.
You could easily numerically get a value because it's well behaved
though.
So, did someone just pull some amazing continued fraction expansion
out of a hat for this one?
- Jim
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1105.3 | | AITG::DERAMO | Daniel V. {AITG,ZFC}:: D'Eramo | Mon Aug 14 1989 17:17 | 7 |
| Only the answer was given, with no indication of how it was
obtained. The answer wasn't that complicated. One approach
is to ignore .1 and break the fraction up into a sum of two
fractions, one over exp(c x) + k and the other over exp(- c x) + k.
Perhaps those simpler integrands can then be solved or looked up.
Dan
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1105.4 | | ALLVAX::ROTH | If you plant ice you'll harvest wind | Tue Aug 15 1989 10:39 | 28 |
| � Only the answer was given, with no indication of how it was
� obtained. The answer wasn't that complicated. One approach
� is to ignore .1 and break the fraction up into a sum of two
� fractions, one over exp(c x) + k and the other over exp(- c x) + k.
� Perhaps those simpler integrands can then be solved or looked up.
Right, that's what I meant by making a partial fraction expansion
in terms of exp(c*x)... I got something like this
2
cx x dx
e --------------------- =
cx cx
(e + k)(1 + k e )
cx
e 1 k 2
------ ( -------- - ----------- ) x dx
2 cx cx
1 - k e + k 1 + k e
I don't have maple up and runnng on my workstation right now, nor a
good table of integrals handy. But it doesn't look that familiar,
unless it has something to do with Laplace transforms.
- Jim
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1105.5 | | AITG::DERAMO | Daniel V. {AITG,ZFC}:: D'Eramo | Tue Aug 15 1989 14:03 | 21 |
| When I tried it I got
2
x dx
--------------------- =
cx cx
(e + k)(1 + k e )
2
x - k 1
------ ( ------- + --------- )
2 cx cx
1 - k e + k 1 + k e
Our numerators are reversed, and you multiplied both sides
of the identity by e^(cx) dx.
Another USENET message came by with the indefinite integral.
What's a polylog?
Dan
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1105.6 | polygamma function | ALLVAX::ROTH | If you plant ice you'll harvest wind | Wed Aug 16 1989 05:45 | 37 |
| � Another USENET message came by with the indefinite integral.
� What's a polylog?
Ah... you must mean a polygammma (or psi) function. These are
expressed in terms of logarithmic derivatives of the gamma function
and can be used to telescope sums whose terms are rational functions of
the summation index.
define
d d
psi[1](z) = -- ln(gamma(z)) = (-- gamma(z)) / gamma(z)
dz dz
d
psi[n](z) = -- psi[n-1](z)
dz
Then
n 1
psi[n](z) = (-) n! SUM(k>=0) ---------
(k + z)^n
This has the integral representation (due to Gauss probably)
n q^(n-1) exp(-z q)
(-) INT(0,inf) ------------------ dq
1 - exp(-q)
So you could massage the pieces in the prior notes into this form
and get the answer.
I knew I'd seen something like that somewhere. Look in AMS55, or also
Morse and Fesbach, Mathematical Methods of Physics Vol I, under the gamma
function.
- Jim
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1105.7 | both the definite and indefinite integrals | AITG::DERAMO | Daniel V. {AITG,ZFC}:: D'Eramo | Thu Aug 17 1989 16:59 | 107 |
| Here is the answer; the following are edited and
are not the complete USENET articles.
Dan
Article 6567 of sci.math
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From: [email protected] (Richard Pavelle)
Newsgroups: sci.math,sci.math.symbolic
Subject: Re: A puzzling definite integral
Summary: MACSYMA can do this.
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 8 Aug 89 20:59:12 GMT
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington, MA
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Xref: ryn.esg.dec.com sci.math:6567 sci.math.symbolic:667
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Gerald Edgar) writes:
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Robert Baron) writes:
> >Could anyone help me out with the following integral?
> >
> > +infinity
> > / 2
> > | x
> > | --------------------------------- d x
> > | (exp(c x) + k) (exp(- c x) + k)
> > /
> > -infinity
> >
> >with c > 0, and 0 < k < 1. Thanks.
>
>
> Answer:
> 2 2
> 2 (log k) (pi + (log k) )
> ------------------------------
> 2 3
> 3 (k - 1) c
>
> Does any symbolic integration program recognize this one???
With a change of variable, namely x=y/c, MACSYMA gives the answer
above. Now I am using an old version, circa 1985, so perhaps the newer
versions can do it directly. However, the indefinite integral involves
polylogs so I doubt it.
--
Richard Pavelle UUCP: ...ll-xn!rp
ARPANET: [email protected]
Article 6632 of sci.math
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From: george@procyon (John George)
Newsgroups: sci.math,sci.math.symbolic
Subject: Re: A puzzling definite integral
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 13 Aug 89 23:52:50 GMT
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected] (John George)
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Richard Pavelle) writes:
>With a change of variable, namely x=y/c, MACSYMA gives the answer
>above. Now I am using an old version, circa 1985, so perhaps the newer
>versions can do it directly. However, the indefinite integral involves
>polylogs so I doubt it.
>
Mathematica can do the indefinite integral;
In[1]:= Integrate[x^2/( (Exp[c x] + k) (Exp[-c x] + k) ), x]
c x c x
2 E E
3 x Log[1 + ----] 2 x PolyLog[2, -(----)]
x k k
Out[1]= -((k (--- - ---------------- - ----------------------- +
3 k c k 2
c k
c x
E
2 PolyLog[3, -(----)]
k 2
> ---------------------)) / (1 - k )) +
3
c k
3 2 c x c x
x x Log[1 + E k] 2 x PolyLog[2, -(E k)]
> (-- - ------------------ - ------------------------- +
3 c 2
c
c x
2 PolyLog[3, -(E k)] 2
> -----------------------) / (1 - k )
3
c
However, Mathematica could not find the limits for the definite integral.
--John C. George
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