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1084.1 | The details are left as an exercise. :-) | AITG::DERAMO | Daniel V. {AITG,ZFC}:: D'Eramo | Sat May 20 1989 21:43 | 17 |
| Hmmm. So f looks like
___
/ \
/ \
__________/ \__________
0 1 2 3
except that the "corners" are very smooth.
That should be easy enough to do "piecewise" with
things involving
2
-1/x
e
Dan
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1084.2 | They are all around us! | HIBOB::SIMMONS | Tristram Shandy as an equestrian | Sat May 20 1989 23:41 | 5 |
| And the answer is found in any book on the theory of distributions.
Such real functions which are C-infinity but not analytic are well
known and loved as points in the space of test functions.
CWS
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1084.3 | what about between 0 and 1 ? | HANNAH::OSMAN | see HANNAH::IGLOO$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240 | Tue May 23 1989 17:21 | 4 |
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It looks like you haven't specified what to do when x is between 0 and 1.
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1084.4 | | HPSTEK::XIA | | Tue May 23 1989 18:39 | 6 |
| re -1:
It is for you to decide. Had I told you what is between 0 and 1,
I would have given you the answer.
Eugene
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1084.5 | | AITG::DERAMO | Daniel V. {AITG,ZFC}:: D'Eramo | Tue May 23 1989 19:04 | 8 |
| re .3
The constraints there were 0 <= f(x) <= 1, and f is
infinitely differentiable. You have to specify f between 0
and 1, and between 2 and 3, so that those conditions are
satisfied.
Dan
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1084.6 | A shot in the dark | SSDEVO::LARY | Old programmers never die, they just | Tue May 23 1989 20:22 | 17 |
| My real analysis is real creaky, but let me give it a shot:
Lets say you had such a function. Since the function is infinitely
differentiable, you can express f(1) in terms of the function and all its
derivatives at 0 (Taylor's Theorem?), as follows:
f(1) = f(0) + f'(0) + f''(0)/2! + f'''(0)/3! + ... = 1
If the sum is one, then at least one of the terms in the series must be
non-zero; pick the "leftmost" such term, f[n](0) - the nth derivative of
f at 0.
f[n](x) = 0 for all x < 0, so lim(f[n](x)) = 0 as x approaches zero from
below; however f[n](0) is not zero. I believe (its been a while) that
this means that f[n+1](0) doesn't exist, which is a contradiction.
So there is no such function.
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1084.7 | | AITG::DERAMO | Daniel V. {AITG,ZFC}:: D'Eramo | Tue May 23 1989 20:47 | 21 |
| re .6
No, if the function were analytic in an open set containing
the origin [is that the precise condition?] then it would
have a valid expansion as f(x) = f(0) + x f'(0) + ... for
all x less than some positive constant. Such a function
can't satisfy all of the conditions in .0. "Analytic" is
kind of a strong differentiability for complex functions of
a complex variable.
But .0 only required that the function be infinitely
differentiable on the real line, and that is a weaker
condition. For example, f(x) = e^(-1/x^2) for x /= 0,
f(0) = 0 is infinitely differentiable. And all of its
derivatives at 0 have the value 0 (it is very flat there).
But if you approached "complex 0" along the imaginary axis
this f diverges and so is not analytic there. So no "Taylor
series".
Dan
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1084.8 | | CTCADM::ROTH | If you plant ice you'll harvest wind | Wed May 24 1989 07:52 | 14 |
| The function exp(-1/x^2) has an essential singularity at zero,
an infinite number of terms in the Laurent series expansion with
negative exponents. It does converge in any neighborhood of zero
in the complex plane, but not at zero itself. In fact, you can find
any complex number (except for two, I think - Picard's theorem) near zero.
It just happens to be well behaved on the real line, but that's an
exception. Consider approaching along the imaginary axis - you get
trig functions like sin(-1/x^2) - and that's pretty wild near zero!
Every reference I've seen to the bump function uses this exp(-1/x^2)
trick...
- Jim
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1084.9 | A small nit on .8 | COOKIE::PBERGH | Peter Bergh, DTN 435-2658 | Wed May 24 1989 08:55 | 3 |
| In any arbitrarily small neighborhood of an essential singularity of an
analytic function (of one variable) you can find every complex number
except *one*.
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1084.10 | :-) | AITG::DERAMO | Daniel V. {AITG,ZFC}:: D'Eramo | Wed May 24 1989 09:24 | 3 |
| Which one?
Dan
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1084.11 | ;-} | POOL::HALLYB | The Smart Money was on Goliath | Wed May 24 1989 11:17 | 4 |
| > Which one?
Why, the value to which it would converge, if it did converge,
but since it doesn't, it won't.
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1084.12 | Analytic is not infinite differentiability | HIBOB::SIMMONS | Tristram Shandy as an equestrian | Wed May 24 1989 16:09 | 11 |
| Looks to me like there is confusion between infinitly differentiablity
and analyticity. They are the same for functions of a complex
variable. They are not the same for functions of a real variable.
An analytic function of a real variable is represented by its Taylor
Series everywhere. An infinitly differentiable function of a real
variable, need only be represented locally by its Taylor Series.
The function asked for here is one of the latter class. By the
way, Shilov's (I believe) Generalized Functions, or some such, gives
several examples if I remember correctly.
Chuck
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1084.13 | | HPSTEK::XIA | | Wed May 24 1989 16:45 | 10 |
| re -1
Chuck,
I don't think it is true that "an infinitely differentiable function
of a real variable, need only be represented locally by its Taylor
Series". As a matter of fact, the solution to this problem cannot
be locally represented by its Taylor Series at 0 1 2 and 3.
Eugene
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1084.14 | Definition of local? | HIBOB::SIMMONS | Tristram Shandy as an equestrian | Wed May 24 1989 18:41 | 11 |
| Well, I might have put in a disclaimer - I can't remember details.
However, normally we only talk about Taylor Series on open
neighborhoods. Clearly, the function is represented by its Taylor
Series on every neighborhood not containing 0, 1, 2, or 3. This
is local rather than global. Of course any C-infinity function
with compact support has at least two points where the Taylor Series
fails. The function wanted here is analytic at every point except
0, 1, 2, and 3 as well (and analytic also only makes sense on open
neighborhoods).
Chuck
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1084.15 | | AITG::DERAMO | Daniel V. {AITG,ZFC}:: D'Eramo | Wed May 24 1989 23:00 | 8 |
| >> The function wanted here is analytic at every point except
>> 0, 1, 2, and 3 as well
It could be constructed that way, or you could be perverse
and construct such a function that is also not analytic at,
say, 1/2.
Dan
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1084.16 | | CTCADM::ROTH | If you plant ice you'll harvest wind | Thu May 25 1989 07:48 | 17 |
| There doesn't seem to be any confusion, though the base problem highlights
the difference between infinite differentiability and analyticity.
Note that analyticity is a very strong requirement - given even one little
piece of an analytic function (its expansion about a point) you know
it everywhere it exists by analytic continuation. In general you'll need
to leave the real line to piece together all the branches of a real
analytic funcion though. No such relationship need exist between different
parts of an infinitely differentiable function. In fact, the analytic
functions are of measure zero in the infinitely differentiable functions...
Right on the at most one omitted value. What I should have been thinking
of is that if two values of an entire function are omitted, then it is
a constant. This is not to say that one value *must* be omitted - just
that one can be, but two cannot.
- Jim
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1084.17 | Question, measure, re 16 | HIBOB::SIMMONS | Tristram Shandy as an equestrian | Thu May 25 1989 19:27 | 9 |
| Re .16
Don't understand measure zero in that context, i.e. what is the
measure. Do you mean not dense with respect to some topology?
I even have trouble with that one because neither is a subset of
the other so it would have to be in a relative topology induced
on the intersection by a topology on one of them wouldn't it?
Chuck
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1084.18 | | AITG::DERAMO | Daniel V. {AITG,ZFC}:: D'Eramo | Thu May 25 1989 21:14 | 13 |
| >> I even have trouble with that one because neither is a subset of
>> the other
There is a subset relationship involved. The larger set is
the set of functions f:R -> R that are infinitely differentiable,
and the smaller set is the set of functions f:R -> R which are
restrictions of functions analytic in a region of the complex
plane including the real line. The second set is a subset of
the first.
I don't know what measure he is using, though.
Dan
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1084.19 | Making liberal use of ZFC, | POOL::HALLYB | The Smart Money was on Goliath | Fri May 26 1989 10:13 | 7 |
| Select at random a function from the set of infintely differentiable functions.
The probability that "the selected function is analytic" is zero.
I'm not sure if that implies a measure that can't be described, but the
main point is that the analytics form a "very small" subset if the i-d's.
John
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1084.20 | We are in different spaces | HIBOB::SIMMONS | Tristram Shandy as an equestrian | Fri May 26 1989 10:15 | 9 |
| > There is a subset relationship involved. The larger set is
> the set of functions f:R -> R that are infinitely differentiable,
I was still talking about the space of test functions, i.e. functions
like the "bump function." The real analytic functions are not a
subset of these (a non-zero constant function is trivially analytic
but it is not a test function).
Chuck
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1084.21 | Understand measure | HIBOB::SIMMONS | Tristram Shandy as an equestrian | Fri May 26 1989 10:24 | 8 |
| Re: .19
I didn't notice .19 when I wrote .20. That defines a measure in
a way. I missed it because I don't think of these things in terms
of probabilities. My comment about these sets not being subset
related has to do with what I point out in .20.
Chuck
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1084.22 | Zero is my favorite analytical function | COOKIE::PBERGH | Peter Bergh, DTN 435-2658 | Fri May 26 1989 12:41 | 1 |
| I don't see why the constant zero is not an analytic function?
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1084.23 | Theory/problem divergence | POOL::HALLYB | The Smart Money was on Goliath | Fri May 26 1989 14:01 | 1 |
| f(x) = 0 does not satisfy the constraints of .0
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1084.24 | | JRDV04::KOMATSU | Existentialist | Fri Jul 14 1989 01:39 | 14 |
| I haven't read alll the replies in here, so this must be commented in previous
replies.
Om ( m = 1,2,... ) ; Open sets in R^n, each Om are disjoint, so to say
intersection of Oi and Oj is empty if i is not j.
There is a C-infinity function fm on Om.
(f1 is C-infinity in O1, f2 is C-infinity in O2,...)
You can find C-infinity function F, such that
F = fm in Om (m=1,2,...)
I forget the name of this thorem, but I think its famouse.
May be Tiez or Teze ???
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1084.25 | Solution | 4GL::GILBERT | Don't Worry, Be Bobby McFerrin | Fri Jul 14 1989 18:25 | 18 |
| Solution:
Let
{
{ 0 if x <= 0
{
{ -1/(1-x)�
{ -e /x�
{ e if 0 < x < 1
{
f(x) = { 1 if 1 <= x <= 2
{
{ -1/(x-2)�
{ -e /(3-x)�
{ e if 2 < x < 3
{
{ 0 if 3 <= x
{
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