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921.1 | What's in a limit anyway? | POOL::HALLYB | The smart money was on Goliath | Wed Aug 24 1988 14:28 | 21 |
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> The answer is given as: 1/2 V 6
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1 V 6
Presumably you mean --------- not ----
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2 * V 6
Remember that the question isn't "What is the value of the function
at the limit point?", which is what you'd get if you just plugged
in the value (0 in this case). The question is "What one value
does the function approach, as x --> 0?". Or "What is the one value
that you can get arbitrarily close to simply by taking x close enough
to 0?" Even though the function has no value at 0, it gets real
close to the limit value in the neighborhood of 0.
Does the name L'H�pital sound familiar? That's an easy way of solving
these kinds of problems.
John
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921.2 | I Think that... | LANDO::ICOHEN | | Wed Aug 24 1988 14:36 | 7 |
| I'm not a math guru, but I think the answer is along these lines:
When you let x=0 you would get 0/0. In that case to find the limit
use L'Hopital's rule which says take the derivative of the numerator
and the denominator and then let x->0. This gives 1/(2*SQRT(6)).
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921.3 | looked up L'Hopital, but... | VLSBOS::HARTEL | | Wed Aug 24 1988 14:58 | 9 |
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This is from a calc 1 class; L'Hopital's Rule isn't touched on until
calc 3. I looked at it though, and while it did make sense, it
didn't help me correctly solve the problem. I understand what you
said about the limit not actually being 0, but that still doesn't
change my answer. Any other suggestions?
Cathy
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921.4 | another way | LISP::DERAMO | Daniel V. {AITG,LISP,ZFC}:: D'Eramo | Wed Aug 24 1988 19:52 | 26 |
| If you expand sqrt(x + 6) using the binomial theorem
you get [that is, one way of doing it gets]
1/2 1/2 -1/2 -3/2 2
(6 + x) = 6 + (1/2)6 x + (1/2)(-1/2)6 x + ...
m
where the terms in ... involve x for m >= 3. This
infinite sum converges for small enough values of x [and
converges to the expected value].
1/2
If you now subtract 6 and divide by x you get
-1/2 -3/2
f(x) = (1/2)6 - (1/4)6 x + ...
m
where here the terms in ... involve x for m >= 2.
Now as x -> 0, this last expression shows that the function
approaches the value given by others,
-1/2
(1/2)6
Dan
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921.5 | Thanks | VLSBOS::HARTEL | | Thu Aug 25 1988 00:20 | 6 |
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Now I understand. Guess it was easy after all!
Cathy
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921.6 | | BEING::POSTPISCHIL | Always mount a scratch monkey. | Thu Aug 25 1988 09:21 | 20 |
| Another way to do it is to return to the definition of limit. Suppose
that [sqrt(x+6)-sqrt(6)]/x = L + e for x's near zero and small e's
(positive or negative). Simply solve for x to get:
[1 - 2 sqrt(6) (L+e)] / (L+e)^2 = x.
(To get there from the previous equation, multiply both sides by x,
square, cancel the 6's on each side, divide by x, and you now have a
linear equation in x.)
Since (L+e)^2 is positive, to get the above expression near zero, you
have to make 1 - 2 sqrt(6) (L+e) close to zero, and it is pretty
obvious what value of L does that.
This can also be converted directly into a proof, since any desired
maximum error, e, gives you a range of x's near zero that produce that
error or less.
-- edp
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921.7 | Rationalize the numerator | PNEUMA::ROOS | | Thu Aug 25 1988 09:39 | 16 |
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Another way to obtain the solution is to rationalize the numerator.
In this case that requires multiplying the numerator and denominator
by sqrt(x + 6) + sqrt(x). The result of this would be:
Limit x
x->0 ---------------------
x(sqrt(x+6) + sqrt(x))
which simplifies to Limit 1
x->0 ------------------
sqrt(x+6) + sqrt(x)
This limit is 1/(2*sqrt(x)).
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921.8 | | CTCADM::ROTH | If you plant ice you'll harvest wind | Thu Aug 25 1988 12:25 | 7 |
| Geometrically, you have two curves which happen to intersect at the
origin... so the limiting behaviour can be visualized in that neighborhood
as a pair of intersecting tangent lines with (possibly) different slopes.
I find this easier to remember than a specific formula.
- Jim
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921.9 | (a+b)(a-b)=a^2-b^2 | EAGLE1::BEST | R D Best, sys arch, I/O | Thu Aug 25 1988 14:07 | 18 |
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> ______ ___
> Here's the problem: Lim V x + 6 - V 6
> x->0 ----------------
> x
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> The answer is given as: 1/2 V 6
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Multiply top and bottom by
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V x + 6 + V 6
and divide numerator and denominator by x.
The resulting expression can be evaluated at x= 0.
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